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User ID: 80985767 United States 08/01/2022 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The new bill is exactly the same as the '94 bill. That ban lasted 10 years and courts found it Constitutional. (They didn't change anything because the old law has already been approved by multiple courts -- any new restrictions could open it up to new lawsuits.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54243940 It bans the production and sale of new weapons and accessories that are listed in the bill. It has no affect on existing weapons and accessories that are already legally owned. If you have an AR, or a pistol with a threaded barrel tip, or a 30 round magazine, they aren't trying to take them away. And if you currently own a prohibited item, you'll still be able to sell it. If you don't own one, you'll be able to buy a pre-ban item. Just like the '94 ban this doesn't change anything regarding the stuff that already exists. You can own, use, transport, buy, or sell any existing items. The ban only applies to items made on or after the date when the ban goes into effect. ---------------- It's a stupid, useless law just like the '94 ban. The only thing it'll accomplish is to drive up the prices of pre-ban items. But it's not confiscation. It's not the end of the world. It's just going back to the way things were from 1994 to 2004. Let's assume that you read the bill in its entirety, under provisions of the bill if your grandfathered weapons and magazines are not locked up or on your person and are visible to any random visitor and they report you to the police, the police can then arrest you and take away all your weapons and ammunition under the terms of this bill. That means anyone that has seen Facebook posts or Youtube videos of you wielding the banned weapons or magazines can in turn report you to the authority as a threat and a criminal and there are no repercussions against turning anyone in. Here's the text of the bill as it was passed. [link to www.congress.gov (secure)] That's not what the law says. "(aa) Secure Storage Or Safety Device Requirement For Grandfathered Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.—It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to store or keep under the dominion or control of that person any grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, will be accessible to an individual prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under subsection (g), (n), or (x), or any provision of State law, unless the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon is— “(1) carried on the person, or within such close proximity that the person can readily retrieve and use the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon as if the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon were carried on the person; or “(2) locked by a secure gun storage or safety device that the prohibited individual has no ability to access.”." If you have minor children in your residence or have guests who are convicted felons, you have to keep your prohibited items locked up when you're not around. If you don't have them locked up you have to be close enough to them to maintain control of them. If kids or felons aren't around you don't have to lock up the items. If your guns are locked up you might as well not have them. This is the honest truth. You will not be able to get to them in time anyway. roguetechie |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78107266 United States 08/01/2022 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The new bill is exactly the same as the '94 bill. That ban lasted 10 years and courts found it Constitutional. (They didn't change anything because the old law has already been approved by multiple courts -- any new restrictions could open it up to new lawsuits.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54243940 It bans the production and sale of new weapons and accessories that are listed in the bill. It has no affect on existing weapons and accessories that are already legally owned. If you have an AR, or a pistol with a threaded barrel tip, or a 30 round magazine, they aren't trying to take them away. And if you currently own a prohibited item, you'll still be able to sell it. If you don't own one, you'll be able to buy a pre-ban item. Just like the '94 ban this doesn't change anything regarding the stuff that already exists. You can own, use, transport, buy, or sell any existing items. The ban only applies to items made on or after the date when the ban goes into effect. ---------------- It's a stupid, useless law just like the '94 ban. The only thing it'll accomplish is to drive up the prices of pre-ban items. But it's not confiscation. It's not the end of the world. It's just going back to the way things were from 1994 to 2004. Let's assume that you read the bill in its entirety, under provisions of the bill if your grandfathered weapons and magazines are not locked up or on your person and are visible to any random visitor and they report you to the police, the police can then arrest you and take away all your weapons and ammunition under the terms of this bill. That means anyone that has seen Facebook posts or Youtube videos of you wielding the banned weapons or magazines can in turn report you to the authority as a threat and a criminal and there are no repercussions against turning anyone in. Here's the text of the bill as it was passed. [link to www.congress.gov (secure)] That's not what the law says. "(aa) Secure Storage Or Safety Device Requirement For Grandfathered Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.—It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to store or keep under the dominion or control of that person any grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, will be accessible to an individual prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under subsection (g), (n), or (x), or any provision of State law, unless the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon is— “(1) carried on the person, or within such close proximity that the person can readily retrieve and use the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon as if the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon were carried on the person; or “(2) locked by a secure gun storage or safety device that the prohibited individual has no ability to access.”." If you have minor children in your residence or have guests who are convicted felons, you have to keep your prohibited items locked up when you're not around. If you don't have them locked up you have to be close enough to them to maintain control of them. If kids or felons aren't around you don't have to lock up the items. Anyone can "SWAT" a firearm owner under that provision if they "dox" them because it is vague enough to allow that to happen. Thank you for proving my point. |
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User ID: 83512871 United States 08/01/2022 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple And they don't have enough LEO willing to enforce such things on any account , and those who attempt to do so will find both they and their families will be pariahs - if not actively hunted Indeed! A little bit of that will go a long long way! J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil. Truth, beauty and virtue ... all the things that THEY hate. All the things God loves. |
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User ID: 83940886 United States 08/01/2022 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Fucking bring it. I don't comply with unconstitutional "laws". Me and a whole 'lotta fuckers have been waiting for this for a long, long time. We have been the quiet and patient men and women that are just fucking done. Done. I'm ready to die for it so my kids can live in some peace man. Fuck this shit, my affairs are in order. Two Republicans, Chris Jacobs of New York and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, voted with Democrats to ban millions of American firearms Quoting: Coastie Patriot Democrats’ Assault Weapons Ban of 2022, which passed the House on Friday in a partisan vote, goes far beyond banning the AR-15 and re-classifies firearms commonly owned by millions of law-abiding American citizens as assault weapons. The legislation represents the biggest attack on Americans’ 2nd Amendment rights in history and dwarfs the 1994 weapons ban, championed by then-Senator Joe Biden, which expired in 2004. Studies into that legislation have shown it to have had virtually zero impact on stemming gun deaths, merely acting as an aide in disarming law-abiding Americans. HR 1808, which Democrats are calling the Assault Weapons Ban of 2022, passed through the House of Representatives on Friday by a hyperpartisan vote of 217-213. In the process, five Democrats broke with their party to oppose to the gun ban, and two Republicans, Chris Jacobs of New York and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, stood with Democrats to support it. Following the vote, Jacobs and Fitzpatrick were eviscerated by the American Firearms Association, who called them “traitors” and accused them of driving “a knife into the backs of the people who voted them into office.” [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] While corporate media and Democrat politicians have sold the legislation as a ban on “military-style assault weapons,” HR 1808 goes far beyond targetting America’s most popular rifle, the AR-15, and reclassifies a host of other commonly owned firearms as “assault weapons,” some by name and others by criteria, exercising a sweeping ban on semi-automatics. [link to nationalfile.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3722616 United States 08/01/2022 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The ONLY reason they are attempting to ban firearms is because they are frightened little weasels who are worried about the people finally getting fed up with their criminality and putting those weapons to good use. When are the people finally going to realize that ALL governments provide nothing but death and destruction. Government shows competency in only two areas: Stealing and murder. "Accept and understand that all government is evil. Accept and understand that all who allow and support government are supporting evil. There is no such thing as a good government. There is no such thing as a necessary government. There is no such thing as a limited government. There is no such thing as a benevolent government. There is only government, and government in all its false ‘glory,’ is nothing more than pure, corrupted violence. It is the creator and protector of theft, slavery, murder, genocide, and democide; nothing more and nothing less. The religion of government should be abolished, so worship not at the altar of this wicked institution." - Gary D. Barnett |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74496612 United States 08/01/2022 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Dont worry, the fearless flag-waving badass US patriots got this! If anything like this ever passes, the amazing freedom-fighting super-macho patriots will violently punch at the air while screaming cuss words really really loud at the TV! This would be too much for the Deep State traitors to handle, so they wouldnt dare allow this to ever pass! God bless the amazing US patriots! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82929668 United States 08/01/2022 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple you're right they wouldnt lock anyone up for what they deem to be crimes. Just like they wont arrest people protesting scotus house, just like they released the guy on minor assualt charges for tryign to stab a candidate and not attempted murder, and they release antifa .. wait what??!! When they do those things, they are acting unlawfully and are just behaving as criminals. Yes, criminals can hurt you and even kill you, but they have no legitimacy. Criminals can be defeated and should not be feared or given legitimacy that they do not have. The Constitution prevails unless people are cowards. well said this shit won't fly in TX, OK or MO. In fact, in MO, any police officer who assists a federal agent trying to enforce unconstitutional gun laws faces a $50,000 fine and jail time. THAT's how you tell unconstitutional pricks to go fuck themselves :D shit's hitting the fan |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83946576 United States 08/01/2022 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The new bill is exactly the same as the '94 bill. That ban lasted 10 years and courts found it Constitutional. (They didn't change anything because the old law has already been approved by multiple courts -- any new restrictions could open it up to new lawsuits.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54243940 It bans the production and sale of new weapons and accessories that are listed in the bill. It has no affect on existing weapons and accessories that are already legally owned. If then why does it have the word "possession" in it? . |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19437667 United States 08/01/2022 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple you're right they wouldnt lock anyone up for what they deem to be crimes. Just like they wont arrest people protesting scotus house, just like they released the guy on minor assualt charges for tryign to stab a candidate and not attempted murder, and they release antifa .. wait what??!! When they do those things, they are acting unlawfully and are just behaving as criminals. Yes, criminals can hurt you and even kill you, but they have no legitimacy. Criminals can be defeated and should not be feared or given legitimacy that they do not have. The Constitution prevails unless people are cowards. like the old addage the votes dont matter the vote counters do... same applies if the judges that interpret the laws are corrupted then you wont get a fair shake !! Stand in front of a soros appointed DA and Judge and mention shall not be infringed and let me know how that goes!!! just an observation |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81889157 United States 08/01/2022 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens We are about to go to war with China, so what is the rush to ban any weapons and force people to turn them in? Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE Can I get a liberal or a democrat to give me a honest answer? or even an answer that you have been told to use by your masters? The object is to demoralize with wokeness and unarm, by giving weapina and ammo to Ukraine and leaving it behind in Afghanistan, while disarming the largest standing army in the world, US citizens. The communists in Washington are do8ng as they are told.there won't be any going back, even for democrats who constantly scream about their "rights" they will he losing, never to regain. Why do you think they have always been called useful idiots? |
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User ID: 79277666 United States 08/01/2022 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens So they want to ban 140 year old technology? Smoke me a kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast. If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools. — Plato “AI is kind of a fancy thing, first of all it’s two letters. It means artificial intelligence.” Kamala Harris VPOTUS |
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User ID: 82713236 United States 08/01/2022 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple you're right they wouldnt lock anyone up for what they deem to be crimes. Just like they wont arrest people protesting scotus house, just like they released the guy on minor assualt charges for tryign to stab a candidate and not attempted murder, and they release antifa .. wait what??!! When they do those things, they are acting unlawfully and are just behaving as criminals. Yes, criminals can hurt you and even kill you, but they have no legitimacy. Criminals can be defeated and should not be feared or given legitimacy that they do not have. The Constitution prevails unless people are cowards. If the law passes, constitutional or not, the cops will be at your door to take your 22 caliber Weapon of War. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74599278 United States 08/01/2022 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens If this passes states,counties will resist,it's civil war. And if the cities and DC think they can pull it off good luck. The Left doesn't know it but they are pretty much Fked as it is now, don't get violent is the last thing they should do. [youtube] [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19437667 United States 08/01/2022 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple you're right they wouldnt lock anyone up for what they deem to be crimes. Just like they wont arrest people protesting scotus house, just like they released the guy on minor assualt charges for tryign to stab a candidate and not attempted murder, and they release antifa .. wait what??!! When they do those things, they are acting unlawfully and are just behaving as criminals. Yes, criminals can hurt you and even kill you, but they have no legitimacy. Criminals can be defeated and should not be feared or given legitimacy that they do not have. The Constitution prevails unless people are cowards. like the old addage the votes dont matter the vote counters do... same applies if the judges that interpret the laws are corrupted then you wont get a fair shake !! Stand in front of a soros appointed DA and Judge and mention shall not be infringed and let me know how that goes!!! just an observation SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2022”. SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS. (a) In General.—Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: “(38) The term ‘semiautomatic pistol’ means any repeating pistol that— “(A) utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round; and “(B) requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge. would include single action and double action revolvers as you have to pull the trigger to set of another caertiridge. and this is the tip : “(H) All of the following rifles, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof: “(i) All AK types, including the following: “(I) AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM. “(II) IZHMASH Saiga AK. “(III) MAADI AK47 and ARM. “(IV) Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S. “(V) Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS. “(VI) SKS with a detachable ammunition feeding device. “(ii) All AR types, including the following: “(I) AR–10. “(II) AR–15. “(III) Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16. “(IV) Armalite M15 22LR Carbine. “(V) Armalite M15–T. “(VI) Barrett REC7. “(VII) Beretta AR–70. “(VIII) Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout. “(IX) Bushmaster ACR. “(X) Bushmaster Carbon 15. “(XI) Bushmaster MOE series. “(XII) Bushmaster XM15. “(XIII) Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles. “(XIV) Colt Match Target rifles. “(XV) CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles. “(XVI) Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles. “(XVII) Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles. link to the bill!!!!! [link to www.congress.gov (secure)] |