“If you stock your pantry, you aren’t living by faith. I’m waiting for the rapture.”

Paul speaks of the last trumpet in Corinthians and to when the rapture takes place.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all nopes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 King James Version
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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Jesus returns at the last trumpet and gathers his elect from the 4 corners and one end of heaven to the other. Unless one makes the case there are TWO raptures

In researching this, I have come full square, NOT knowing the timing of the rapture. At his 2nd coming seems most likely.
Since I don't attend church, can't find one that isn't "woke", I'm not listening to anyone else's interpretation of the Bible, only what I am reading.

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Also you may want to see the link to Rev 11:11-12 vs 1 Thess 4:16-17. This is the resurrection in all cases.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Yes! I love Bible study with Believers, even when we don't always agree, for this helps each of us to understand better. Keeping an open mind so the HS can teach us

In a sense, yes. We gave him authority through sin.

Whew. Everything I know and read shows it is the evil one's domain until Christ comes back to rule for 1,000 years

Here is some scripture showing that Israel is the witness for God. In addition it shows God gathering the Northern Kingdom and Southern Kingdoms of Israel back together. Also Israel is called the olive tree.

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Jer 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, [and] of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all [of] gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which [are] upon the top thereof:

Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right [side] of the bowl, and the other upon the left [side] thereof.


Isa 43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called [thee] by thy name; thou [art] mine.

Isa 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

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I concur. This heretical Luciferian ideology has done more to weaken "Christianity" than anything else I can think of in modern times. A contagious belief. More harmful than radical islam, mass migration, or COVID lockdowns. What happens to those who believe this and their rapture doesn't come? Who will they turn on?

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Thanks for that. The Bible was written for those who need it and judges those harshly who don't need it. I've become weary of accusations from religion to the insane PC against white guys.

If he preaches the pre-trib rapture he's wrong.

That's what he preaches.

Read the Bible people.

Don't trust that pastors have interpreted it correctly.

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Too long a thread to read so maybe mentioned earlier:

Do remember something about not tempting the Lord when Jesus was being tempted by Satan saying he could be saved by angels if he flung himself off a mountainside.

Same principle applies….don’t fling yourself off a cliff and assume your faith will miraculously save you…the Almighty doesn’t like being deliberately tested. It’s bad form.

Stock the pantry…if taken away then you’re helping those left behind. They can use the comfort food.

Well yes but heres the issue, angels will gather the elect before the time of Christ, so if they are unaware of who they are, God knows, but most obiously know.

So, you agree the #1 purpose of the tribulation is to turn the j ish people back to God?

Then do you agree in the time after Christs resurrection/pentecost is a time that is different from the period of the old testament when Gods covenant was with the nation of Israel, and is this age called?

The purpose of the tribulation is to refine Israel and purify them for God. Everything not Holy will be removed. Why do you go out of your way to call them j ish. Just call them by their name, Israel. The j ish are one tribe of many. Judah was one son of 12. Their father Jacob was renamed Israel where the name of their people is derived from.

God's covenant is still with Israel. He has not removed the covenant. God extended a new version to them. He gave this covenant to both houses of Israel. The house of Israel, the Northern kingdom, under Joseph/Ephraim consist of the 10 and the house of Judah, the Southern kingdom consisting of the 2.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Although I searched for word age I do not see anything about what the period of time after Pentecost is called in the Bible.

Are you referring to Pentecost when Moses was given the tablets or when Christ sent the Holy Spirit to the apostles

The period of time after the Holy Spirit was sent is the New Covenant.

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Your memory is very selective then since i have mentioned the times of the gentles to you before (Luke 21:24):

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Also known as the church age. This began at pentecost, or some would say at Christs resurrection, and it will end at the start of the tribulation, when the torch is passed back to the j ish people.

The purpose of the tribulation is to turn the j ish people back to God. Israel as we think of today, speaks of the nation of Israel, or the church that is grafted into Israel but are not j ish, but here we are talking about Jacobs physical descendants, the j ish people. So this is why i say j ish people instead of Israel.

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I know what you call that time but it is not defined other then in extra biblical dispensation doctrines. After pentecost is when the Holy Spirit was given. This is the New Covenant which is defined in the Bible.

As for the tribulation I think it is more to refine Israel. Many from Israel have already turned to God. In the end those that do not listen will be purged and those that do listen will be refined.

Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

The rapture is after the tribulation when most people are dead by then. We who are alive and REMAIN...


MORONS

So since you think the church needs to be refined, Christ is not enough, is that what you are saying?

Then we who are alive and REMAIN will meet Christ where? And we will all be changed..... how fast will be be changed?

Are you saying this will happen when Christ returns to earth? Like we do a "jump" sort of? And when will the marriage supper of the Lamb happen, acording to you?

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That is not what I am saying. The Bible says they get refined. I am not their judge but there is a lot of idols that have crept into the churches who say that are from God.

Israel during Exodus walked for 40 years. They had a lot of Egyptian baggage left over. Are modern churches with their pagan idolatry any better?

Here we are with Christmas upon us. Is this one of Gods appointed days? Did Paul celebrate Christmas?

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Since they get refined, do you agree we are speaking of a DIFFERENT covenant, that things in the tribulation have CHANGED? Ephesians 1:13-14 says you can not lose your salvation because you are SEALED with the Holy spirit when you are saved. That means you are in fact going to heaven, and Christ did all for us, so whats the refinement for?

Paul didnt celebrate christmas, but chrisitans after did, december 25 became a date that some early christians thought out and its not pagan. Tony Costa with a video on that here:

I do not care what a video says or justifies what they think is correct. What matters is what God thinks. He sent Judah to Babylon for not following his Sabbaths and letting the land heal. God does not change. Why do we think He is happy with a self appointed day wrapped around a Roman celebration. Did God ask us to celebrate the birth of Christ? Do you truly believe Christ was born in Christmas?

As for being sealed I do not think we lose our sealing with the Holy Spirit but what did Paul say?

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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Colossians 2:16 - "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,"

In other words, i dont let you judge me, which means we are free to do as we want. That is what Gods word says. Dont you care about this?

That is great and all but where is Christmas mentioned here? Paul was talking about God's appointed festivals. The feast days, Sabbaths and New Moon observances were appointed by God and we should not judge any Christian in what manner they celebrate them. Christmas was not appointed by God.

so youre saying its sinful to celebrate birthdays? Will Jesus hold you acountable for setting a date away for marking his birthday?

I have faith that God is all natural. Because of that, you just need to look at nature to see and predict when the weather is going rough. So, you store and stalk up so you are not running out of things in poor weather.

But, likewise too considering the nature of man, markets and politics. Like, if you want to avoid crowd shop on Tuesday instead. Or you buy certain items based on what could happen next. This is not forbidden in the Bible. In fact it is encouraged.

The parable of the virgins is a good one. Be prepared when opportunity knocks. And, before that people and governments were well now for stalk piling food for hard times. un cracked wheat can be stored over 2,000 years. Bible also talks about preserving food and farming food as far back as the first biblical stories of Cain and Able. Why does a person need so many animals or so much food to eat?

What is significant about Adam and Eve being driven out of the garden of Eaden? For starters, it meant they had to learn and plan how they were going to survive.

Jesus again makes reference to not to worry what to eat or drink while out and about peaching the word of God and living the life of a Christian. Why... Because Gods people are supposed to be well stalked and prepared for future events and willing to take care of each other in times of crises. You are supposed to belong to a community that shares.

Peacher's especially are suppose to be able to go out not the wilderness among the people so to speak and yet be able to come back to their communities to be nourished. And, Christain's were encouraged to have large families. If mishaps happened and someone lost their home to a fire and so forth, the community of Christain's were supposed to come together and help provide restoration.

Jesus did not literally mean, have faith and be unprepared. No, you are suppose to be able to rely on your fellowship to help provide for you while you are doing the work of the lord. Again, Christain's are supposed to be prepared for what life throws at them.

God does not have any problems with human traditions as long as it does nto distract form doing good.Joself and his coat of colors is such a story where joseph gets a goat of many colors for his birthday. The problem was colorful clothing were symbolic of wealth and leadership. He was one of the younger brothers and first son of a second and favorite wife. Making him a favorite son as well.

This is not uncommon as well. Men that marry have kids, then divorce the first wife often emotionally neglect the first kids over bad feelings about the wife and the kids resentment over the father not staying in the home or honoring their mother.

When men get their new wives and are happy and connected again, they bond easier with the kids. And the new kids then often get treated better than the ones with the first wife.