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For ALL who say the United States is not based upon belief and faith in God | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 689210  United States05/30/2009 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 683762 United States05/30/2009 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps they may want to read "The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United states" which was printed over 150 years ago, or Websters Dictionary from 1828 which should be a real eye opener for the PC sheep... Of course you also have the New England Primer published in 1777 and the Blue Back Speller as well... Shall I go on |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps they may want to read "The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United states" which was printed over 150 years ago, or Websters Dictionary from 1828 which should be a real eye opener for the PC sheep... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 683762Of course you also have the New England Primer published in 1777 and the Blue Back Speller as well... Shall I go on Yes, please continue? |
| dead horse User ID: 691079 United States05/30/2009 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, so obviously you think you're making a point. I've heard this 'point' my entire life and have always found it amusing at best. I am no Obama fan, but I believe he was making the point that we are not a 'Christian' nation like Iran is a 'Muslim' nation. Even if the U.S. was founded on Christian principles, lets not forget that at best we shared this country from the very beginning with native Shamanic peoples. It didn't take long even for the perceived Christian founders to take greed and the love of power into their hearts and act in un-Christian ways. Not long after that, it became a lawless wasteland of un-Christianity. In our so-called Christian quest for power, we brought over the Africans and Chinese who brought their own religions. The list goes on. Suffice it to say that God may have been mentioned in all the state's preambles, but the example of Jesus was NEVER an overriding concern. Besides, when did God EVER belong just to the Christians? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, so obviously you think you're making a point. I've heard this 'point' my entire life and have always found it amusing at best. I am no Obama fan, but I believe he was making the point that we are not a 'Christian' nation like Iran is a 'Muslim' nation. Quoting: dead horse 691079Even if the U.S. was founded on Christian principles, lets not forget that at best we shared this country from the very beginning with native Shamanic peoples. It didn't take long even for the perceived Christian founders to take greed and the love of power into their hearts and act in un-Christian ways. Not long after that, it became a lawless wasteland of un-Christianity. In our so-called Christian quest for power, we brought over the Africans and Chinese who brought their own religions. The list goes on. Suffice it to say that God may have been mentioned in all the state's preambles, but the example of Jesus was NEVER an overriding concern. Besides, when did God EVER belong just to the Christians? Part of what you say here I agree with concerning the incorrect things which were done and still are. True we are not a nation like Iran filled with radical ideas. But one only has to read the pages to see that what is written down is written down they did believe in God and paid hommage to him. If they did not want a reference back to God they would have never given one back to Him. There is plenty of refernces back which tell us that we definately are a Christian nation. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 669235  Netherlands05/30/2009 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, so obviously you think you're making a point. I've heard this 'point' my entire life and have always found it amusing at best. I am no Obama fan, but I believe he was making the point that we are not a 'Christian' nation like Iran is a 'Muslim' nation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689210Even if the U.S. was founded on Christian principles, lets not forget that at best we shared this country from the very beginning with native Shamanic peoples. It didn't take long even for the perceived Christian founders to take greed and the love of power into their hearts and act in un-Christian ways. Not long after that, it became a lawless wasteland of un-Christianity. In our so-called Christian quest for power, we brought over the Africans and Chinese who brought their own religions. The list goes on. Suffice it to say that God may have been mentioned in all the state's preambles, but the example of Jesus was NEVER an overriding concern. Besides, when did God EVER belong just to the Christians? Part of what you say here I agree with concerning the incorrect things which were done and still are. True we are not a nation like Iran filled with radical ideas. But one only has to read the pages to see that what is written down is written down they did believe in God and paid hommage to him. If they did not want a reference back to God they would have never given one back to Him. There is plenty of refernces back which tell us that we definately are a Christian nation. You sound as if the US doesn't have insane Christians with radical ideas such as torturing people actually in power? |
| dead horse User ID: 691079 United States05/30/2009 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, but isn't a nation made up of people? Can a nation itself represent anything other than what it's people do? I suppose that if you are referring to our relief efforts around the world, then we could be considered a Christian nation. We could also be considered a Christian nation because of our absolute love of war, power and control. Given what I see when I look at the Christian community, with their double-standard holier-than-thou attitudes, I guess you win. Are you proud? |
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panthera~onca
 User ID: 691088 United States05/30/2009 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (i.e. God's moral compass) But, was never intended to be a theocracy. Hence the founders respect for God's compass, but including respect for separation of Church and State. No matter how high the throne one sits on, one sits on one's bottom. * |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, but isn't a nation made up of people? Can a nation itself represent anything other than what it's people do? I suppose that if you are referring to our relief efforts around the world, then we could be considered a Christian nation. We could also be considered a Christian nation because of our absolute love of war, power and control. Given what I see when I look at the Christian community, with their double-standard holier-than-thou attitudes, I guess you win. Are you proud? Quoting: dead horse 691079This is not about winning but rather truth. I understand that everyone makes big mistakes in life. Bad decisions are common among all people. But this does not take away from what is written. We are a nation based upon Christian ideas and principles. I din't say we always live up to them. Because we just don't I wish we did. But one cannot take out of the principle the fact of the founding. That is my point. It just seems that it is easy for others to throw the baby out with the bath water. Just because a nation orf people cannot live up to a better way of life doesn't mean the ideal way to live is still not present. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The United States was founded in principles of God. Quoting: panthera~onca(i.e. God's moral compass) But, was never intended to be a theocracy. Hence the founders respect for God's compass, but including respect for separation of Church and State. Thank you, good way to put it. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, so obviously you think you're making a point. I've heard this 'point' my entire life and have always found it amusing at best. I am no Obama fan, but I believe he was making the point that we are not a 'Christian' nation like Iran is a 'Muslim' nation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 669235Even if the U.S. was founded on Christian principles, lets not forget that at best we shared this country from the very beginning with native Shamanic peoples. It didn't take long even for the perceived Christian founders to take greed and the love of power into their hearts and act in un-Christian ways. Not long after that, it became a lawless wasteland of un-Christianity. In our so-called Christian quest for power, we brought over the Africans and Chinese who brought their own religions. The list goes on. Suffice it to say that God may have been mentioned in all the state's preambles, but the example of Jesus was NEVER an overriding concern. Besides, when did God EVER belong just to the Christians? Part of what you say here I agree with concerning the incorrect things which were done and still are. True we are not a nation like Iran filled with radical ideas. But one only has to read the pages to see that what is written down is written down they did believe in God and paid hommage to him. If they did not want a reference back to God they would have never given one back to Him. There is plenty of refernces back which tell us that we definately are a Christian nation. You sound as if the US doesn't have insane Christians with radical ideas such as torturing people actually in power? No matter the person each makes his own mistakes. I can say that at this point the radical ideas which may be present for the most part does not neccessarily drive our nation. No one is an island. |
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| Fortress
User ID: 667950 United States05/30/2009 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” "If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise"- 1 Corinthians 3:18 "A prudent man foresees danger and takes refuge, but the simple pass on and suffer for it"- Proverbs 22:3 |
| Decksurf
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| panthera~onca
User ID: 691088 United States05/30/2009 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The United States was founded in principles of God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689210(i.e. God's moral compass) But, was never intended to be a theocracy. Hence the founders respect for God's compass, but including respect for separation of Church and State. Thank you, good way to put it. I would still call that a Christian nation. You? If a nation's decrees and documents are founded upon the moral compass of God then they are in fact a "Christian" set of morals. That does not mean a person has to go to church, believe in God, or worship God. (That sort of instruction does not appear in the Constitution or the other founding documents) But, it is interesting that while there are people who chose to turn away from God that they still enjoy the benefits of a nation based upon the moral compass of God Himself. There is no other compass that exists. If man decides to make his own morals....then what's the barometer? What if my barometer is different than yours......and I decide to kill you because according to my barometer it's ok to do? If you look at nations that have not used God's set of morals.....look what happens to them. Why did America become a superpower at one point in history? Why did it prosper? many may not attribute our previous success to including God's morals as the basis for our nation. I do though. Last Edited by panthera~onca on 05/30/2009 11:30 AM No matter how high the throne one sits on, one sits on one's bottom. * |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The United States was founded in principles of God. Quoting: panthera~onca(i.e. God's moral compass) But, was never intended to be a theocracy. Hence the founders respect for God's compass, but including respect for separation of Church and State. Thank you, good way to put it. I would still call that a Christian nation. You? If a nation's decrees and documents are founded upon the moral compass of God then they are in fact a "Christian" set of morals. That does not mean a person has to go to church, believe in God, or worship God. (That sort of instruction does not appear in the Constitution or the other founding documents) But, it is interesting that while there are people who chose to turn away from God that they still enjoy the benefits of a nation based upon the moral compass of God Himself. There is no other compass that exists. If man decides to make his own morals....then what's the barometer? What if my barometer is different than yours......and I decide to kill you because according to my barometer it's ok to do? If you look at nations that have not used God's set of morals.....look what happens to them. Why did America become a superpower at one point in history? Why did it prosper? many may not attribute our previous success to including God's morals as the basis for our nation. I do though. Once again, thank you sir/madamm agreed. |
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| Scully User ID: 662749  Australia05/30/2009 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep. When it comes to God and moral values Obama just doesn't get it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429261. Thank GOD...he's relatively normal. Very few people outside of the USA get the whole Jesus thing anymore (or ever did). Its not necessary nor wise. Obama is willing to embrace everyone...no matter what the creed, race, religion....so you USA folks have finally got a leader who is placid but open to the whole world....not just a small bunch of people with one ideal. Yayyyy! I love him. You finally dont have someone that is bound to one religion...be glad for it and start seking out your own reality. Humans have been on the earth for at least 13000 years. Homosexuality has gone on from thgen too...so get over yourself and others. Love/lust is combined.....co-habitation longterm is a whole nuther thing. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 687381 United States05/30/2009 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really though, what a completely moot topic. Trying to convert people to such a meaningless opinion, that our country was founded in a belief in a a monotheistic god. ITS NOT BLACK OR WHITE. Im sure some founders loved themselves some Christ, while clearly, others did not and embraced more pagan style beliefs. But in the end, the real question still exists. WHO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep. When it comes to God and moral values Obama just doesn't get it. Quoting: Scully 662749. Thank GOD...he's relatively normal. Very few people outside of the USA get the whole Jesus thing anymore (or ever did). Its not necessary nor wise. Obama is willing to embrace everyone...no matter what the creed, race, religion....so you USA folks have finally got a leader who is placid but open to the whole world....not just a small bunch of people with one ideal. Yayyyy! I love him. You finally dont have someone that is bound to one religion...be glad for it and start seking out your own reality. Humans have been on the earth for at least 13000 years. Homosexuality has gone on from thgen too...so get over yourself and others. Love/lust is combined.....co-habitation longterm is a whole nuther thing. That's the problem embracing everyone. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really though, what a completely moot topic. Trying to convert people to such a meaningless opinion, that our country was founded in a belief in a a monotheistic god. ITS NOT BLACK OR WHITE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 687381Im sure some founders loved themselves some Christ, while clearly, others did not and embraced more pagan style beliefs. But in the end, the real question still exists. WHO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT? Obviously not you. If you don't care why then even take the time to read? |
| panthera~onca
User ID: 691088 United States05/30/2009 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep. When it comes to God and moral values Obama just doesn't get it. Quoting: Scully 662749. Thank GOD...he's relatively normal. Very few people outside of the USA get the whole Jesus thing anymore (or ever did). Its not necessary nor wise. Obama is willing to embrace everyone...no matter what the creed, race, religion....so you USA folks have finally got a leader who is placid but open to the whole world....not just a small bunch of people with one ideal. Yayyyy! I love him. You finally dont have someone that is bound to one religion...be glad for it and start seking out your own reality. Humans have been on the earth for at least 13000 years. Homosexuality has gone on from thgen too...so get over yourself and others. Love/lust is combined.....co-habitation longterm is a whole nuther thing. With our "universal" approach will come this nation's judgment. In fact.....it's already here. Some may attribute that to natural cycles. In fact, there are cycles but they are not controlled by the nature of cycles. They are controlled by the one who controls the nature of cycles and are dependent upon our response and actions towards God. No matter how high the throne one sits on, one sits on one's bottom. * |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 687381 United States05/30/2009 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really though, what a completely moot topic. Trying to convert people to such a meaningless opinion, that our country was founded in a belief in a a monotheistic god. ITS NOT BLACK OR WHITE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689210Im sure some founders loved themselves some Christ, while clearly, others did not and embraced more pagan style beliefs. But in the end, the real question still exists. WHO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT? Obviously not you. If you don't care why then even take the time to read? YOU DIRECTED ME HERE FUCKER READ YOUR THREAD TITLE CLEARLY DIRECTING THOSE WITH OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS YOUVE GOTTEN A CONFLICT JUST LIKE YOU WANTED ARE YOU SATISFIED? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really though, what a completely moot topic. Trying to convert people to such a meaningless opinion, that our country was founded in a belief in a a monotheistic god. ITS NOT BLACK OR WHITE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 687381Im sure some founders loved themselves some Christ, while clearly, others did not and embraced more pagan style beliefs. But in the end, the real question still exists. WHO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT? Obviously not you. If you don't care why then even take the time to read? YOU DIRECTED ME HERE FUCKER READ YOUR THREAD TITLE CLEARLY DIRECTING THOSE WITH OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS YOUVE GOTTEN A CONFLICT JUST LIKE YOU WANTED ARE YOU SATISFIED? Certainly am but the point is why then fight with me if you don't care? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 689210 United States05/30/2009 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really though, what a completely moot topic. Trying to convert people to such a meaningless opinion, that our country was founded in a belief in a a monotheistic god. ITS NOT BLACK OR WHITE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 687381Im sure some founders loved themselves some Christ, while clearly, others did not and embraced more pagan style beliefs. But in the end, the real question still exists. WHO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT? Obviously not you. If you don't care why then even take the time to read? YOU DIRECTED ME HERE FUCKER READ YOUR THREAD TITLE CLEARLY DIRECTING THOSE WITH OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS YOUVE GOTTEN A CONFLICT JUST LIKE YOU WANTED ARE YOU SATISFIED? Still working on polishing that language are we now? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 687381 United States05/30/2009 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ooooh what a clever little comment to tack on at the end, its a shame you didnt come up with it quicker to put on the first reply! As you can see, I am in an exceptional mood this morning and felt it necessary to call out some bullshit. My work here is done, I know how you fundamentalists come up with intriguing arguments and I dont think my level of intellectual prowess can match your elite thinking capabilities. My work here is done. |
