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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Thanks for answering my question about music. I don't understand how everything can play a tune. Can everyone hear it or is it just in your mind?
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Hello!

Everything already has a tune. We can attach an 'amplifier' to anything and integrate this with other technology so that a door, for example, makes a particular sound or tune depending on the level of noise behind it, who is knocking, the time of day, etc.

It is a sound that can be heard by anyone.

How do you survive in our society? Do you have a job or do you manifest money? Are you human like me? Can you mate with your girlfriend? Can she visit your world?
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Yes, I am human. Like anyone else here.

Many of us work from home or in what you would call office buildings. The buildings are not that of a particular company, however. We have a worldwide 'stock exchange' that everyone can participate in to earn an income. (It is not an exchange of companies' stocks or of indices, however.)

Our entire economy and public infrastructure is supported using this system. Private industry has their own proprietary systems which are similar in function.

I am working on getting my girlfriend and some things over to my world for a kind of holiday. It will take some time.

For example, I can take my laptop if I carry it around for several months. It would then work in the other world for some time, weeks perhaps. I have actually received phone calls from this world once when I was in the other world. I know it sounds pretty strange.

I read some of your website and it sounds like you are just a regular human up to date with current thinking and discoveries. Someone pointed that out before, but your ideas are still valid and worth thinking about. However, you probably wouldn't have gotten the same amount of attention which is why you went this route. Your website gives a brief bio about you not finishing high school and then comparing yourself to geniuses of 'this' world who also didn't finish it. It hints to narcissism and delusions of grandeur. Still, I plan on following this thread to the end. Thanks.
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If you insist :)

Good theory, though.

Thanks.
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So is the exchange over the metaphysical internet? Is it entirely abstract?

What is exchanged on it? What sort of currencies are used?
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You will see it born this year.

Think of it as a 10-year anniversary gift!
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Hmm, that doesn't really fit my schedule. Think of another gift.
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Hello!

Everything already has a tune. We can attach an 'amplifier' to anything and integrate this with other technology so that a door, for example, makes a particular sound or tune depending on the level of noise behind it, who is knocking, the time of day, etc.

It is a sound that can be heard by anyone.

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Yes, I am human. Like anyone else here.

Many of us work from home or in what you would call office buildings. The buildings are not that of a particular company, however. We have a worldwide 'stock exchange' that everyone can participate in to earn an income. (It is not an exchange of companies' stocks or of indices, however.)

Our entire economy and public infrastructure is supported using this system. Private industry has their own proprietary systems which are similar in function.

I am working on getting my girlfriend and some things over to my world for a kind of holiday. It will take some time.

For example, I can take my laptop if I carry it around for several months. It would then work in the other world for some time, weeks perhaps. I have actually received phone calls from this world once when I was in the other world. I know it sounds pretty strange.

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If you insist :)

Good theory, though.

Thanks.
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So is the exchange over the metaphysical internet? Is it entirely abstract?

What is exchanged on it? What sort of currencies are used?
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You will see it born this year.

Think of it as a 10-year anniversary gift!
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Hmm, that doesn't really fit my schedule. Think of another gift.
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A gift is a gift. If you accept or decline it is up to you hf

You sure are in a grumpy mood!
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So is the exchange over the metaphysical internet? Is it entirely abstract?

What is exchanged on it? What sort of currencies are used?
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You will see it born this year.

Think of it as a 10-year anniversary gift!
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Hmm, that doesn't really fit my schedule. Think of another gift.
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A gift is a gift. If you accept or decline it is up to you hf

You sure are in a grumpy mood!
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I am not the type to be swayed by gifts, and this is without regard to comments made by those ignorant of cultural context.

My grumpiness came to its end with my reference to it in my earlier comment. No grumpy mood at Steph's.
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Thread: The Federal Reserve Will Be Removed From The Finances Of The United States

OP: "hahahahah"

Thread: Uggghhhh.... my husband thinks I am NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OP: "Like the other poster said: "QUIT NAGGING HIM."
Focus your attention on other things. If you are going to sit and worry over some germs on a shopping cart, imagining a 'worst case scenario' then perhaps you need to seek some counselling.
And maybe it's best that you stay off of conspiracy-type fear mongering sites...
Seriously... don't worry so much: It's not healthy!!!!"

Thread: Second Sun new video from Padova (ITALY) (Page 2)

OP: "An amazing video! Does not look like a lens flare or a sundog!"

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 29 (Page 7)

OP: "Hardy-har-har cracker-jack. Go to another thread, Nancy and Zetatalk are here to stay baby!!!"

Should I continue?

Next, please...


OP explain your multifaceted personality, so no one could think you're a fraud...
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Hello!

I hadn't realized that this post (when you originally posted it a few days back) was supposed to have been about me, or my ID. Otherwise I would have responded to it then.

To clarify, those are not my posts. I wouldn't have time for such drivel.

Regards.
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LOL!
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Chaol, I can see we conflict on the basic premise that your ideas are purely metaphysical whereas my view point is more about here.

All points of view are valid in the metaphysical.

In metaphysics, all possibilities exist, but which ones would you like to experience is more the question, is it not?

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The bankers are very much in control of the banking situation. Even much moreso than before.


How does a man from an alternate universe know these things? Either you read conspiracy sites like agent provocateur and David dIcke or you are something else.
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The same way I know how to tie shoelaces.

Of course, the concept of shoelaces does not propogate throughout all possibilities. But if you are in one possibility for a while, wouldn't you know how to operate within it?

I am not actually from an alternate universe. That's why the phrase is in quotes. I am from this universe. But there's much more to this universe than what we see.

Money is a representation. It always has been. The bankers are managing their representations quite well. They'e turning abstract and notional monies into less-abstract representations. That's not something new. It's just done in different ways over time.

All is not what it seems on the surface. "Follow the money," it is said.


I am aware of that point of view. The book series “Conversations with God” spring to mind.

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God did not coin that phrase ;) It's quite old.

I agree. But science is the practical useful part. What you are saying is very metaphysical. I have gleaned two useful bits of information from you. Making up a new word for a new experience and making a representation of something you desire.

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How "metaphysical" would you say the experience of science is?

How divorced is it from perspective and cognition?

The representation bit, as another poster has said, has been explained by WICCA. Notice that they have a practical exercise.

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There is a time for everything. Witchcraft has been around for thousands of years. I am in no hurry.

I perceive one consciousness only. However, one consciousness can include many sub-consciousnesses much like the relationship you have with your own body.




Ok. Does this mean you can perceive different bodies at the same time, or not?

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Yes. That's correct. But every one does this constanter.


I don’t view theoretical physics as science. It is only theory. For me, science is if you do A+B then C happens. You will need a control to make sure that it is A+B that is causing C.

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There's the rub!

"Why" does C happen?


Lastly, I'm looking for more practical things from you.

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One awesome thing about the universe is that there is a time and a place for everything.

Thanks.
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“Why” C happens is obviously because of all the relevant factors!
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I didn't read this bit. Just following up.



To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.




Interesting? Is poisoning your body and dieing of a chronic disease because people have polluted themselves fundamentally due to excess material desires interesting????

It is a positive reality if chronic diseases are the desired goal of humanity.

Or is it that you see no negative consequences on excess consumption at all and that it is just interesting?


I have seen severe consequences of this in medicine and dentistry.
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Greetings!

Here is the original quote, above, for clarification. It's been a while.

<<I don't actually think there's something wrong with being attached to material things. I see it as pretty much the same thing as anything non-physical. To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.

The physical isn't really "physical" at all, is it? Perhaps one reality is as valid as another.>>

Oxygen. Breath to some. Death to others.

Who's to judge?

It could be a wonderful thing that we can choose to do things that would harm us physically. It is the same volitive nature of what we call our minds that provides us with what we see.

Interesting.
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Choices, choices. It often seems that with choices less is more.
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Thanks for the reply!
Im going to react to some of these responses..



Perhaps none is in control. The concept of control is irrelevant outside of physically-oriented experience.

Okay, but I happen to be in the physical, so control is not irrelevant.
 Quoting: I Am 500829


Hello!

How sure of you of this 'fact' (that you are in the physical)?

There is no control. It's a human cognitive invention.

It's just a kind of shift from one perspective to another. All possibilities (and perspectives) exist.

Can I ask a question about the relationships you are "caught in"? Are you pushing them away from you? Do you feel you are resisting them (because you may not want them)?


Yeah.. pretty much all the bad things in the world today. I dont want any of that. Ive given up TV because its all bad/spun news. I dont read newspapers, magazines, etc. I prefer sites with the real news, GLP discussion, happynews, and NPR. So I make an effort to push out of my life all the incoming data/current events that I perceive as evil/negative, because well, I dont want to give my energy to thinking about negative things, and in doing so I feel my life is better in withdrawing from the media. Problem is, those negative issues out there still occur despite my narcissism and living under a rock. So yeah I resist these things. You're telling me I should rather just allow the bad news in and not care either way? This would only work if I was a child and didn't know right from wrong, and thus could pass no judgment automatically.
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Do you find it interesting that you would resist your perception?

I don't mean *specific* perceptions. This versus that, etc. I mean your perspective.

In other words, You.

What is something before you assign it a name and put it in a category?

What is the essence?

The cliche would be, "What we see outside is a representation of what is inside." But it's true.

Ponder this thought for your entertainment: "There is no one else. There is only you. There is only your perception of everything."


Okay. This is big. So, really, I am the only real sentient thing in my reality, and everything else in the entire universe is a creation of my mind? Sounds like I am someone plugged into a gigantic virtual reality machine for a lifetime run. Wow, so lonely, playing with myself, I might as well kill off my avatar in this pointless game so I can jack out and see what the real world is. Tap the programmer god sitting in the middle of the room and say, dude this is BS. The Matrix? But are there other people also in these machines, and this is a shared virtual reality? Because I find it hard to believe that I just change my perceptions and everyone else will agree. There's rules when we start this gig, a starting framework. You cant explain what you get when you're born.
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Not exactly.

"You" are much more than you appear to be. Looking at your hand it should be obvious that there is much more than it seems. It goes beyond what you can possibly sense.

There is no game or avatar, or creation. Words don't get on this bus.

So.. Im the only one, eh? Who are you? I made you up? If I believe 100% that you're my higher self/unconscious desires manifest trying to get me to learn, you will say yes? Yes you will. Heck I've been wanting for years to talk to my higher self. You seem to fit the bill.. super intelligent.. all the right answers. THIS should be interesting.. fitting that the medium be a computer, as my career has been in computers most of my life. :)

Its all in my mind. God is a fiction, morality is invented, and I could just throw care to the wind and go out on a rampage, give myself powers, etc. True, I'd have to live with myself. But if my perception is that I truly didn't care because its all virtual reality anyway, then what does it matter.

The outside is the inside.. well there must be alot of conflict inside of me for there to be so many horrible wars out there. And if I figure out how to cleanse myself of all the things inside me that I dont want to manifest in the world, and change my mental point of view, I could live in utopia. Okay, hard to swallow, screams of narcissism. Its a pretty concept, but I'd have to unlearn a lifetime of programming. Got any pointers there? Sadly, a brick to the head seems the easiest way to fully change my perception.. or a sensory deprivation tank..

(Any of your other manifestations of my perception can chime in too. :) :hf: )
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My answers are fairly dependent upon the presumptions of your questions. I wouldn't say I have any answers, per se.

There is never a time when teaching does not occur. More accurately, it could be said that there is a time when we're paying close attention and a time when we're not. When we are, we say that we're being 'taught' a lesson or something of the kind.

Your statement, "And if I figure out how to cleanse myself of all the things inside me that I dont want to manifest in the world..." probably expresses the world you express.

You "don't want" so that is what your probability is likely composed of. "Don't want" is pretty much the same as wanting. Change the "don't want" into "irrelevant" and it won't be a part of your direct experience.

Thanks.
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No answers, perhaps, yet you do reply to questions, it seems. Fairly straightforward on the dialogue, unlike some.

On the bus, you can carefully balance your head upon the neck of your spine, and loosen up a bit to harmonize with the flow of the motion of the bus, so that you can sleep some of that exhaustion away, without revealing that you are doing so. The trick is to wake up quick when the yelling starts. Instinctually observing and concluding to take action to survive, as usual.
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Hey Chaol,

You started the most interesting thread in this crazy house and then you slunk off into the night.

Come back! I want to hear more about the 'time travel' method you propose.
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Hello!

The opposing could well be said. We're upon the darkest hour at this time. The nexus of probabilities allows for ease of different modes of travel.

What do you think the 'time travel' method is?

Could it be a wrist-worn watch, or chrono-capsule of chords, a wavey wormhole, or something as simple as a password provided to a person's possible perspective?

Thanks :)
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I’ve already seen ahead that the answer is all of the above, so I’ll take the “Other” option and fill in the blank with an amulet that can set the pace of time.
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Greetings!

What if one could access a fully-detailed perspective the way one now does access a website (and that person's perspective on things, a very incomplete part of their perspective)?

Where will the development of the internet take you? To someone else? To somewhere else?

What if you can do this now, independent of the hardware? What would one need?

What is software with out the hardware?

That is the key.

Thanks.
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What a great gift. Thank you hf The clues continue to add up, filling in the blanks. A good book would have been good, a handbook or a reference manual of some kind. Less of the mind numbing dialoguing with tiresome loonatics. Though with all due respect to teachers and their pets, of course.
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Ah man, the wonders of not being able to edit stuff. Forgive me for behaving like a tool. Grumpy today.

To take the energy out of what I wrote, let’s say there is no chance in heaven that the love of chaol’s wisdom to found from the perspectives who follow him is comparable in any meaningful way to anything in my perspective that I would call love of it or a variation of that.

Someone already took the janitor spot of the breakfast club’s goodwill hunting so I’ll be the foreign exchange student who never quite catches on to the wavelengths of humor in an “alternate universe”.
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No problem, it’s all just lighthearted entertainment.

I do not feel I “love Chaol”; that comes across as if I was dependent in some way. I do like his/her very original take on what life, the universe, and everything is.
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You and I have different concepts of love and entertainment.

What makes you think his take is original?
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?

Perhaps you've become uninspired to respond because you are enlightened to the fact that originality is not an attribute of OP's take on "what life, the universe, and everything is".
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Ah man, the wonders of not being able to edit stuff. Forgive me for behaving like a tool. Grumpy today.

To take the energy out of what I wrote, let’s say there is no chance in heaven that the love of chaol’s wisdom to found from the perspectives who follow him is comparable in any meaningful way to anything in my perspective that I would call love of it or a variation of that.

Someone already took the janitor spot of the breakfast club’s goodwill hunting so I’ll be the foreign exchange student who never quite catches on to the wavelengths of humor in an “alternate universe”.
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No problem, it’s all just lighthearted entertainment.

I do not feel I “love Chaol”; that comes across as if I was dependent in some way. I do like his/her very original take on what life, the universe, and everything is.
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You and I have different concepts of love and entertainment.

What makes you think his take is original?
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?

Perhaps you've become uninspired to respond because you are enlightened to the fact that originality is not an attribute of OP's take on "what life, the universe, and everything is".
 Quoting: S 74533487


For one thing, I just love that he posts very few, but thought provoking posts in his own topics, unlike you who posts a ton of unoriginal critical posts in someone else’s topics.
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Greetings!
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Hello

If I may, a thought experiment.
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You may

Imagine that each probability that exists is a pathway.
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Imagining

There are many different types of pathways such as hallways, walkways and corridors, alleyways, midways, streets and avenues, broadways, highways, etc.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Yep

So, we have different "sizes" of probabilities. Some probabilities are more related to other probabilities so thus become "larger" as more things travel on them. A road can become a highway as more cars travel on it, for example.
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Interaction develops the pathways. Got it.

Further, each probability can connect with any other probability. Any two or more pathways can connect, forming a "nexus of probabilities".
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Okey doke

The more probabilities that connect, the larger the nexus is and the easier it is to travel. (Because the more probabilities that interact with it, the more relative it is to the probability you are experiencing. This enables you to not only walk down the street and have different things happen but also to travel in spacetime (as long as where you are going is relative to where you are most experienced).)
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Like elon Musks probability streams concept?

There are representations of this in outer space that you sometimes call 'black holes' and sometimes call other things. These 'black holes' exist everywhere to some degree. The larger the black hole, so to speak, the more relative it is to that which meets it.
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A wavy wormhole in space?

You can see less relative representations of these nexi in physical places like street corners. Some corners (and the areas surrounding them) will be good for business or social exchanges, for example. Usually, the greater this metaphysical nexus is the greater the physical pathway becomes. Thus, we have cities, families, ideas, encounters, etc., all illustrating their shrinking or growing metaphysical nexus.
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And they shrink and grow on various timelines, which gives some of these nexusees the appearance of stable continuity as well as gradual shifting.

You can think of the center of a galaxy as a combining of probabilities both literally and figuratively. But these 'black holes' can also be found in your body and time/space, and everywhere else.

It's simply the force of attraction/repulsion (the element Chaon in ecsys).
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Gravity

What structures gravity, I say. 1 + 3 is not one of the key equations. 1 is structure. Is that make matter 1? The material

3 - 2 = 1

Here's the interesting part. When probabilities comprising a nexus are being added at a substantial rate (and, thus, becoming 'too big' for itself) the probabilities will usually clump together and taper off the nexus. At this point it will continue to 'add to' a smaller nexus.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Is that what is called a node in the network?

Our worlds began to diverge just before your industrial revolution (and what would have been the time of our industrial revolution).
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Bam. How about a transition sentence?

A few hundred years ago there were many probabilities comprising this nexus. The feedback and feedforward of the concepts and activities surrounding the industrial revolution eventually enabled the polyfurcation of these probabilities.

Thus, there are now *many* worlds just like your own that are at their own stages of development, all having substantially diverged from yours nearly 300 hundred years ago.
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So how about let's someone spill the beans on how to get root access to the counterfactual. There are worlds to traverse and polyfurcations to weave.

Most likely there will soon be a scientific breakthrough in your world that will enable development of "warp drive" based not on traversing physical space but utilizing these ever-present nexus points to combine the "here" with the "there".
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Overlappen da wormhole, der. 10 years enough time? Should perhaps incorporate that asteroid mining company soon.

It is no different than experiencing a smell by using memory to recall a smell from 10 years ago rather than recreating the same smell in the present. Not using memory (a "black hole") will eventually sound as ridiculous to you as using rocket fuel to reach the moon. You already connect to non-physical worlds on a smaller scale (such as with intuition, or even sight/sound). You just don't realize how real these experiences are yet.
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Yah man it's like that off-brand chipotle ranch flavored smell of summoning a dmt variant to the brain place.

When we use a computer, for example, it is not that we are interacting with a separate physical object to perform tasks. The physical object is simply a (non-physical) representation of a miniature solar system of concepts. The computer is no more real that the word or even the thought of it. You've developed these representations in order to do something you could not otherwise do.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


My laptop is my rocket ship universe it encompasses the cyber realms as the access point and representative. It takes me here and there and everywhere, I take it with me too.

We can use our minds to add 1+1, or we can use a calculator.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


This right here man, is the winner. Leading up to using our minds to make a calculator that uses calculators to add 1+1. Max efficiency.

Eventually (probably) you will be able to connect to a massive network using your mind instead of computer hardware. The "physical" representations you use now to perform these non-physical tasks is just so that the concepts and tools can be formed internally.
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Ah yesh, that's what physicality is for isn't it

It is similar to you, as a baby, trying to verbalize words using your vocal cords in order to be able to *think* in a new way and do things you could not previously do.
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Soon to be thinking at various framerates, as always.

So when you're looking at a physical object you're looking at a 'black hole'. Other things have combined together in a nexus of probabilities. In one probability the chair is a lake, in the other the lake is a chair. You can "get to the lake from the chair", so to speak.
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Needs more logic thooough

When this world realizes that physical distance (and distance in time) is not absolute then we will begin to do things that science fiction hasn't even come up with yet. Things that I cannot even begin to explain.

This is most likely to occur after the current period, when it is realized the 'changes' most of us have envisioned would occur (for example, with 2012) are representations of non-physical changes. Like a dream.
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Yeah that makes sense..

It all begins with Representation.
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It's a good place to start, sure.

Thanks.
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Yup.
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No problem, it’s all just lighthearted entertainment.

I do not feel I “love Chaol”; that comes across as if I was dependent in some way. I do like his/her very original take on what life, the universe, and everything is.
 Quoting: tuuur


You and I have different concepts of love and entertainment.

What makes you think his take is original?
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?

Perhaps you've become uninspired to respond because you are enlightened to the fact that originality is not an attribute of OP's take on "what life, the universe, and everything is".
 Quoting: S 74533487


For one thing, I just love that he posts very few, but thought provoking posts in his own topics, unlike you who posts a ton of unoriginal critical posts in someone else’s topics.
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Now see here tuuur, if there was ever a site where any kind of loon could be enabled to show up and leave spellings on the whiteboard for anyone else to read this is the one. I have invested a decent portion of my neurological capacity into this information, and have even included the possibility of integration for the purposes of my investigation. I have read and reread and re-read and re-re-read and interacted and inter-acted to acquire an impression of the situation so as to be maximally harmonious to the most beneficent result.

On the subject of originality, that is not my purpose here, so what's your point, bratan?

And as for critical, thanks for the compliment. Though if you meant that I am here to deride anyone, that is certainly untrue.

Finally, I've been dropping hints for you to check your concepts, because if you ascribe originality to OP you are worshipping him, when it's possible that what you really meant is that you find his word choices to be unique.

THANKS
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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

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Coool, that is right in the range of my birthday. Please consider this an expression of my interest in HD photos, video and other multimedia from the world you, chaol, reference in the comment to which I am replying.

No specific requests on the content, howwwever, the more unique the better, from me.

If possible send to the email on my account hf

Good travels!
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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

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Coool, that is right in the range of my birthday. Please consider this an expression of my interest in HD photos, video and other multimedia from the world you, chaol, reference in the comment to which I am replying.

No specific requests on the content, howwwever, the more unique the better, from me.

If possible send to the email on my account hf

Good travels!
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Ahahaha, I goofed. Never mindy
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What's your point, sis?
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What's your point, sis?
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What was your point?
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User ID number is based on your internet connection. It can change frequently
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What's your point, sis?
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What was your point?
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I have shared evidence of an experience replicable in the perspective of an individual accessing this thread on this site from a computing device over the Internet, that requires no explanation or narration. Anyone can just try it out for themselves and see.

You seem to be trying to explain something though. I’m not experiencing confusion here, so perhaps you’re working something out for yourself.

Something something, hiding information, literally anonymous cowards and conspiracy theories...dut dut dut, something along those lines. Tell me, are my attempts at psychic reception working?
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You and I have different concepts of love and entertainment.

What makes you think his take is original?
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?

Perhaps you've become uninspired to respond because you are enlightened to the fact that originality is not an attribute of OP's take on "what life, the universe, and everything is".
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For one thing, I just love that he posts very few, but thought provoking posts in his own topics, unlike you who posts a ton of unoriginal critical posts in someone else’s topics.
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Now see here tuuur, if there was ever a site where any kind of loon could be enabled to show up and leave spellings on the whiteboard for anyone else to read this is the one. I have invested a decent portion of my neurological capacity into this information, and have even included the possibility of integration for the purposes of my investigation. I have read and reread and re-read and re-re-read and interacted and inter-acted to acquire an impression of the situation so as to be maximally harmonious to the most beneficent result.

On the subject of originality, that is not my purpose here, so what's your point, bratan?

And as for critical, thanks for the compliment. Though if you meant that I am here to deride anyone, that is certainly untrue.

Finally, I've been dropping hints for you to check your concepts, because if you ascribe originality to OP you are worshipping him, when it's possible that what you really meant is that you find his word choices to be unique.

THANKS
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The amount of responses to your shitload of neurological drivel might be a clue for you on how your input here is valued. It might be the best way to deal with you as well.

Please make your own topic, write your own book, post it to the internet, lay down your own ideas there instead of hijacking some other topic.

I am certainly capable to fend for myself. I do not need you to tell me if I am worshipping someone or not.

Thanks. But no, thanks.
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?

Perhaps you've become uninspired to respond because you are enlightened to the fact that originality is not an attribute of OP's take on "what life, the universe, and everything is".
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For one thing, I just love that he posts very few, but thought provoking posts in his own topics, unlike you who posts a ton of unoriginal critical posts in someone else’s topics.
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Now see here tuuur, if there was ever a site where any kind of loon could be enabled to show up and leave spellings on the whiteboard for anyone else to read this is the one. I have invested a decent portion of my neurological capacity into this information, and have even included the possibility of integration for the purposes of my investigation. I have read and reread and re-read and re-re-read and interacted and inter-acted to acquire an impression of the situation so as to be maximally harmonious to the most beneficent result.

On the subject of originality, that is not my purpose here, so what's your point, bratan?

And as for critical, thanks for the compliment. Though if you meant that I am here to deride anyone, that is certainly untrue.

Finally, I've been dropping hints for you to check your concepts, because if you ascribe originality to OP you are worshipping him, when it's possible that what you really meant is that you find his word choices to be unique.

THANKS
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The amount of responses to your shitload of neurological drivel might be a clue for you on how your input here is valued. It might be the best way to deal with you as well.
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Valued by whom? You are my number 1 responder. And no, your input was never once requested. The only thing I like about you is that you seem like a fairly sincere person, though perhaps a bit too tolerant. It seems you think I have waited at some point, for a response? That fits your earlier nonsensical question about someone answering my 10 years late comments.

Please make your own topic, write your own book, post it to the internet, lay down your own ideas there instead of hijacking some other topic.
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My topic is the interactive investigation of the 'Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.' thread on the GLP website. It has no other place than here.

I am certainly capable to fend for myself. I do not need you to tell me if I am worshipping someone or not.
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I don't have a negative opinion of worship, only that I believe it to be strongly related to dependence, or perhaps synergy, which I remember you seemed to shun from yourself. This would lead me to believe that you were edging towards self-contradiction, which I do not like, because in my perspective it is one of the leading causes of suffering in persons.

Thanks. But no, thanks.
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You're welcome!
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To be honest, you probably shouldn't care about Ecsys. It's kinda strange and requires a bit of thought to make sense of it. If you're like most people you're content with the way you've been doing and thinking about things. Of course, there's nothing wrong with being normal.

But if you think there's something more to life that you didn't get before then allow us to explain something that might be of interest to you.

Ecsys could allow you to make something possible by providing a 'map' of how to get there from where you are. It could also show us how everything is created and evolves, from the human body to planets to relationships to emotions to the mess in your top drawer. More advanced uses are also possible. But it is not a "magic wand" that makes anything appear out of thin air. It has a basis deep within how we interact with the world around us.

Scientists have proven that humans are born with a "math instinct". It is this instinct that enables us to make sense of and perform calculations. (Strange, but even dogs have been shown to perform calculus. Although to a dog it's just instinct.) We propose that humans are also born with a "perception instinct" that is even more deeply-rooted. It is this instinct that enables our minds us to filter out more than 99% of the information reaching us. We do this automatically, without conscious thought of how we do it. Using Ecsys is like doing a quick calculation, bringing into conscious awareness what we do instinctively. Imagine being able to perceive and understand a little more of what your mind filters out.

Ecsys can be immediately and effectively utilized in many different ways. It is also highly scalable, meaning that its basic principles can be applied in a kindergarten classroom as well as in a physics laboratory using concepts that most of us have already learned.

Once upon a time, computers were the exclusive domain of researchers and trained specialists. Thanks to the development of easy-to-use symbolic representations of complex operations such as windows and icons, now just about anyone can make use of them. There is no reason we cannot use cognitive tools like Ecsys to discover the 99% of reality that we ignore.

Scientists have, in a way, been busy making more complicated devices to try to understand the universe, making its true nature even less accessible to those of us in it. This doesn't make sense to us. We believe that everything is, at its core, quite basic and can be easily understood. That's where Ecsys comes in.

How Do I Know that Ecsys Isn't Some Crackpot Science?

Ecsys actually is "crackpot science" in the definition of any proper scientific community. Ecsys doesn't speak their language, and that's fine. A person who has never heard someone speaking Greek may think it is gibberish, but that doesn't make it so. On the other hand, anyone can come up with an interesting system and claim it is the answer. More times than not that answer falls far short of its promises.
Yet, most systems that we work with today will not withstand the test of time. That is to say, much of modern science will be "crackpot science" in 100 years. History has repeatedly shown us time and time again that the accepted "facts" can be quite inaccurate. Even Newton’s theory of gravitation has had to be changed a few times. In the past 20 years alone scores of scientific hypotheses have received attention, funding, and research that have turned out to be nothing but crap.

And sometimes the "weird ideas" turn out to be true. (Most of those weird ideas will just be forgotten, of course.) We actually only understand a very small part of the universe. This fact alone should tell us that many of our common assumptions are mistaken.

There is still much that scientists know they do not know, such as: what consciousness is, how life on Earth arose and what determines species diversity (or even what a species is), how memories work, what 90 percent or more of the universe is made of, what gravity is, the structure of water, how planets form, if there is life elsewhere, why we sleep, and lots more. (Source: Science Magazine) It was even recently discovered that a human cell has an electric field. And this field is 5x more intense (per meter) than a lightning bolt. Remember, there are tens, if not hundreds, of trillions of cells in a single human body. There's so much we haven't discovered about ourselves.

Interestingly enough, Ecsys offers compelling answers to all of these questions. It does it not by making slow, complex calculations based on sometimes questionable foundations but by the simple premise that there are just four kinds of things in the universe, each of which will always exhibit certain traits and characteristics and interact with other elements in a certain way.
Again, Ecsys is not science. But it can be applied to scientific things (and political, economic, social, etc., things). However, what makes something important isn't how scientific it is but how useful it is.

According to Stephen Hawking in his book, A Brief History of Time, "...a theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations."

Many "theories" in science are not really theories at all, but more hypotheses. For example, the "Big bang" model rests on gravity resulting from matter, something which has not been verified. The observed rate of expansion of the universe is significantly larger than the calculated rate. (Oops!) But instead of calling it an 'error' scientists have simply increased the amount of "dark matter" in the universe by an astronomical amount (enough to conveniently compensate for the error). A complicated(i.e., "beautiful") mathematical model does not make for verification. Neither does the invention of fictional parameters to agree with experimental observations make for a theory. I'm reminded of sociological experiments that show how much "beautiful people" can get away with. The evidence for the "Big Bang Theory" came in the form of something called Mather’s Blackbody Spectrum, which has recently proven to be completely wrong (but not before two guys won the Nobel prize in physics for it).

The darling of the physics world for the last 20 years is String Theory, a field of science built on the idea that elementary particles are not objects but are the vibrations of string-like entities. This theory has yet to be confirmed yet billions of dollars and countless hours have been devoted to its study. In the physics departments of our very best universities, 20 out of the 22 tenured professors are proponents of string theory. How a beautiful and complicated math can be mistaken for a simple explanation of everything is beyond reason. Peter Woit, a mathematician at Columbia University says, "The problem is that superstring theory is not really a theory, but rather a set of hopes that a theory exists. " (You mean... like a hypothesis?) Physicists support and promote string theory because it seems like the most promising candidate for a scientific Theory of Everything. (We agree with that, wouldn't you know.) However, it would seem that the nature of the universe is more like a fractal, facilitating simplicity, than a broken mirror with 600 dimensions.

Between 2 theories that are not even theories, have not verified any predictions (i.e., have no evidence), make the simplicity of the universe to be unnecessarily complex and inaccessible to all but a handful of humans, and a model of the universe that can be used by anyone today, offers compelling explanations to fundamental question in every field, and can actually be proven now, which one is the crackpot science? If you guessed "Ecsys" you are correct! And that's an unfortunate state of current scientific affairs.
However, the amazing thing is that science itself is built on non-scientific bases. (Meaning, you can't test the scientific method itself because it is, ironically, not scientific. Math is the only science that does not need to be based on reality. All other sciences should have, at their core, sound assumptions.) The foundations of the scientific method rest upon assumptions independent from experience. Science would fail its own test.

"Since philosophy is at least implicitly at the core of every decision we make or position we take, it is obvious that correct philosophy is a necessity for scientific inquiry to take place. Indeed, there are certain philosophical assumptions made at the base of the scientific method - namely, that reality is objective and consistent, that humans have the capacity to perceive reality accurately, and that rational explanations exist for elements of the real world. These assumptions are the basis of naturalism, the philosophy on which science is grounded.." [from Evolution and Philosophy]

These basic assumptions fool scientists into thinking that the nature of something can be observed independent of the observation (i.e., as it really is). Although we've learned a few things from "Schroedinger's Cat" and other experiments in quantum physics the folly in science today is in giving up on testing these core assumptions and, thus, the true nature of any scientific results. Instead, we have religiously focused on the very limited reality that our brains create for us.

As we've read in the previous section, we are not consciously aware of more than 99% of the information that comes to us through our senses. This fact alone should make any scientist question the false assumption that "humans have the capacity to perceive reality accurately". And, like generations before us, we create our own sense of rationality that is appropriate to our assumptions. If we begin with the core assumption of Earth being at the center of our solar system, for example, we can find evidence to support any related hypothesis (because our sense of reason will connect the two together in proportion to how much we believe it is true). Of course scientists today know better about Earth, but at the time this "fact" was the height of science. Since then our understanding of the world has evolved but our sense of reason has simply changed. We still hold core assumptions close to our hearts today that will amuse 12 billion humans in 100 years.

Ecsys proposes that reality is absolutely subjective and consistent with our perception, we do not have the capacity to perceive something the way it truly is (i.e., we can evolve our perceptual capacity but not observe beyond it), and that we can better understand the nature of something to the point that we see the implicit order in what was previously observed to be chaotic (i.e., we can expand our observation of rationality and have not finished discovering new logic). Although traditional science has been immeasurably useful, it ultimately fails because of these 3 basic assumptions. Ecsys is a new kind of science.

Why Should I Listen to a High-School Dropout?
Although the author of Ecsys completed only a few weeks of high school (in a place far, far away), he continued to try to understand the world about him. However, it's probably not wise to consider anyone that decided to drop out of high school as an authority on much of anything, considering the chances of she or he being good at something important to society. Taken by itself, anything that remotely looks like a "theory of everything" by anyone is most likely to be wrong, PhD or not.

But it only takes one person to make a significant difference in the world. Thomas Edison, John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Albert Einstein, and many other important figures in history (including 10 Nobel prize winners) were all high-school dropouts. Both Benjamin Franklin and Abraham Lincoln had less than 2 years of formal education, while George Washington and Andrew Jackson both had none at all. What distinguishes these people is not their education and their deadness but their passion for self-learning and understanding the world around them.

This, of course, means little. It's probably safe to assume that most people who drop out of a formal schooling program before university don't have their wits about them. While completion of high school or university does not guarantee success in life neither does incompletion guarantee failure. However, it does make social failure more likely to occur. Yet, it is also possible that an intelligent person without much formal education will see the world differently from those that have been indoctrinated into a structured learning environment and have a greater impact than someone else who sees the world normally. The great thinkers listed in the previous paragraph would have probably led very different lives had they completed their formal education. Being self-taught obviously gave them some advantage over other colleagues.

Ecsys promotes a more democratic view of intelligence rather than the standard model that says some people are smart while others are stupid or average. We may be inclined to call someone that gets excellent grades in school or excels at technical things "intelligent", but given the task of farming, for example, they could seem pretty dull in the head. It is said that Albert Einstein didn't know how to tie his shoe and, for all of his mathematical genius, didn't know how many cups are in a pint (perhaps he didn't care to drink cups of beer?). Ecsys predicts that a person's consciousness cannot focus on everything at once.
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Interesting. I hadn’t read this before, because I had assumed it to be copy paste of what is currently available on the way back machine. This seems to be the (or one of the) earliest version(s) of a page on the Ecsys website. A solid introduction.
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Sorry... Not spamming - Very interesting.

Was Chaol the founder?

Is Ecsys a 'Theory of Everything'?

By popular definition a "Theory of Everything" is a theory that unifies gravity, elementary particles, the laws of motion, and the laws that govern forces. Ecsys extends the definition of a true Theory of Everything to actually include everything, and can also be applied to classical and quantum physics. A theory that only unifies the fundamental forces in physics is not a true Theory of Everything but a "Theory of Everything in Physics". Granted, unifying everything into one simple model may seem impossible to do but why not try? To date, there is no record of any scientist making such an attempt. It would almost be counter-intuitive (and un-scientific) to unify economics, politics, biology, psychology, and everything else into one model.

Nature takes a few fundamental ideas and propagates the entire universe. Ironically enough, there is nothing complex that isn't simple at its core. I propose that this simplicity comes not from physical creation but because the fundamental nature of perception is simple.

Are there real "laws" in the physical universe? Or is there a fundamental process of perception that we indirectly observe and call "laws"?

A "theory of everything" is a theory of everything that we directly or indirectly perceive. We do not draw conclusions based on what is not observable (perception-in-experience) or inconceivable (perception-in-imagination). This leads us to, inevitably, model of consciousness and perception.

Ecsys would make for a testable "Hypothesis of Possibly Everything" (HOPE) but a theory it is not.

“A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise,
the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…”
-Albert Einstein
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So, as a reminder, physicists concept of TOE is based on a first-principles approach to everything. Their language may be arcane, however, the concept is simple. Symbolic interface <—- that

The democratic approach to intelligence is good, HOPE is good, nature may or may not take ideas, though. Probably, the only way to figure it out is to try.
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26th August is when you said too be back

I would still like to know more about this subject.
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Habby Pirthday to Me! :))

Seems like there was no party, though.
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What would you like to know?

I would still like to know more about this subject.
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A user with an IP connection (seemingly) from Canada has erased their default "Anonymous Coward" title and written in "Chaol", close to one month after OP said OP would return to the thread.

See below:

Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

[...]
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A 1-year absence.

Potential explanations for the discrepancy (assuming the thread is not being hijacked by someone else claiming to be OP):

* The nexus has changed and the dates changed too
* OP "returned" on schedule, took about one month to adjust (or something)
* It is a marketing strategy to keep up interest levels

However, the only thing connecting OP with this most recent response is the letters, in this sequence: "C","h","a","o","l", and that is assuming that we must follow the rule that "C" is the same letter as "c". If we maintain case-sensitivity, then there is not even this connection.
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Wonderful!

I'm preparing it now.

My goal is to make it as simple and accessible as possible (unlike most of my posts in this thread) to appeal to the largest population. At the same time, it can be used for more complex purposes.

Sorry Choal that last was from me, i forgot to log in.

instructions/training on this would be beyond awesome.

Thanks again
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So, the McDonald's approach. Also good. I am told by a reputable source that without this particular brand of logic, the rest would not be.
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Hi Choal

Just waiting for a preferred time to release the next version.


Can you please elaborate as to the preferred time? as i have been waiting for months, anticipation is killing me.

Thanks
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Me, too!

But it isn't an instructional guide in the usual sense.

It's probably more of a (re)program guide that offers new representations in order that perspective may change.

The vehicle that it is packaged in I think will be most effective at providing an example to those parts of the human brain that still fear an uncertain future.

It may seem a bit strange (perhaps even novel) at first but to those who seek, it is all there.

Thanks!
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"They are gifts to humanity"
[link to 100wordanime.files.wordpress.com (secure)]

Because....it is the right answer abduct
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Interesting concept and theory. Even if it doesn't pan, it is an imaginative idea that might work as a great story. Everyone thinks differently and in my opinion this how some of the best books start out.
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Hey, they made an anime series that has John Titor as a major character. Anything could happen!
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Interesting concept and theory. Even if it doesn't pan, it is an imaginative idea that might work as a great story. Everyone thinks differently and in my opinion this how some of the best books start out.
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Indeed!

A book might B.E. interesting enough.
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B.E. scratching

Hey tuuur does this one inspire so much thought in you? One of the few, yet thought-provoking posts, is that it?





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