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A Cost Analysis of Reparations

 
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A Cost Analysis of Reparations
Today in history I was a little bored so I decided to analyze reparations, the costs, the new tax increases, etc.

Rep. John Conyers has introduced a bill every year since 1989 to provide reparations to Blacks. His 2009 version calls for $1,000,000,000,000 (trillion) to be paid to Blacks for slavery and discrimination/racism.

The first thing to look at is average payout for blacks. A trillion dollars given to roughly 39,000,000 blacks in America makes $25,641 per black. For a family of 3 this would be $76,923 and a family of four would be $102,564. That is the average salary of a doctor given as a one time gift to each black family.

Now the cost:

Whites make up about 70% of the population so thus 210,000,000 white Americans. This is equal to $4,761 in new taxes for each white person in America. A family of three would pay $14,285 in new taxes and a family of 4 would pay $19,047 in new taxes.

The median income for white families is roughly $45,000. These families already pay nearly 30% ($13,500) of their income in income taxes. Thus the total take-home income is $31,500. Over ten years the total take-home wages equals $315,000 and over five years, $157,500.

If these new taxes accumulated to the amount of one trillion dollars over five years, to generate that much revenue would equate to a new tax increase on total take-home salary of 12.04%. But that is just on what they keep. $19,000 in new taxes/5 years = $3,800 in new taxes/yr. To raise taxes $3,800/yr is an increase of 8.33% on their entire income in a year, conservatively estimated.

So therefore on $45,000 income at 38% tax (sales tax on all purchases plus income tax, not including taxes for airline tickets, telephone services and other taxes such as gasoline, tobacco, alcohol, etc.), these taxes for 5 years must be increased to a minimum 47% on the entire income.

So a family of 4 making $45,000/yr will now see what they take home dwindle to less than $22,000.

Here's the kicker. The Department of Health and Human Services reported in 2008 that the federal poverty level or threshold for a family of 4 is $21,200. Because of the nature of the progressive tax, which would likely be used if reparations were approved by Congress, the new tax for reparations would have an especially devastating impact on the poor but would be nearly as devastating for the middle class. While the upper class would be paying much more they would not be hit as hard. Because a family of 4 would see their entire yearly income dwindle to less than $22,000, this would make, in my estimate, close to 50% of white households, and many more single whites, in America below the poverty line.

On the flip side of the coin, the median black household makes $29,000/yr. During the period of reparations payouts (5 years in this scenario), the average income for a black household will reach $50,000, mostly in untaxed income. The taxable earnings, which are so low no meaningful contribution to America's bank account would be expected, is left virtually untouched and so the average black family of 4 can expect $50,000 flat for 5 years.

If we are to accept these statistics it is clear that reparations cannot be awarded overnight. In fact, even in 5 years the amount of a trillion dollars would be literally back breaking to a majority of white people. Nearly all figures made here are on the conservative side and thus the true picture may actually be much, much worse. It is a no brainer: Reparations are racism of the highest form and will prove devastating to white people. With black demands of "I want it now," it seems even more absurd. If we took ten years to come up with a trillion dollars we'd still be robbed blind. This is an enormous amount of money that the human mind can't begin to comprehend.

Keep in mind, the average net worth per white household is $92,000 or over $7 trillion in total value of savings. Reparations would steal over 14% of the majority of America's hard earned savings (not just yearly pay, but entire career earnings/savings) to pay a relatively small minority that contributes next to nothing to the greater society or economy because of something that happened to one guy's father's father's father's father's father.

I will leave you with some words of wisdom from an anonymous poster at this forum.

"The problem as I see it is that realistically, only a small percentage of whites owned slaves (1.4% in 1860 out of 27 million whites), and obviously, it is not fair to financially punish all whites and make them apologize for something they had no hand in. And how do you handle the fact that free blacks were proportionately more apt to have slaves than whites. In Charleston in 1860, 125 free [blacks] owned slaves.

Included quote:

"In 1860 there were at least six [blacks] in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves. The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another [black] slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter..."

"The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates."

Reference www.americancivilwar.com
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well that is just a shame, African's have no pride, or self respect. a pock on the a$$ of America.
And for the most part a disgrace to this country,
if this is the way they believe, NO ONE owns these Africans a damn thing,
They should pay the UNITED STATES reparations, hell any one EVER added that TAB up? how much has that race cost this county?

Sure have not adding much. only take...

millions of other people (NON AFRICAN) are real tired of it...
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well that is just a shame, African's have no pride, or self respect. a pock on the a$$ of America.
And for the most part a disgrace to this country,
if this is the way they believe, NO ONE owns these Africans a damn thing,
They should pay the UNITED STATES reparations, hell any one EVER added that TAB up? how much has that race cost this county?

Sure have not adding much. only take...

millions of other people (NON AFRICAN) are real tired of it...
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Blacks ought to pay reparations. For the millions of murders, rapes, burglaries, armed robberies, terroristic crimes, molestations, and beatings they have committed. Unfortunately them foos be po' and you aint gettin' shit and your family isn't either when they come and kill you.

Blacks talk about "keeping the money in the community". Why don't whites do the same? Let the blacks support each other, stop taking money from the white man to pay in reparations/welfare to blacks. Let the blacks pay their own welfare and let the whites pay for their welfare.

Welfare beneficiary statistics show that though blacks make 13% of the population they make up 38% of those on welfare. Whites, who make up nearly 70% of the population, make up only 38% of those on welfare.

Where is my racial quota? Why is my aunt who is horribly sick and disabled why she can't get disability when it's practically given to the blacks (because if not Social Security would be racist and face the wrath of the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, the SPLC, and Al Sharpton and hundreds or regional, district, and federal lawsuits)?

People rag on slavery. At least the foos and bruthas had jobs and had some money coming in. They ate a couple nice meals a day and had a warm bed when most blacks when we let them rule themselves can't provide half that shit and it's all the white man's fucking fault still.

Bull shit.
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When the illegals are treated like royalty in America but if I crossed the border to Mexico I'd be thrown in a rat- and bug- infested prison eating slosh and slop which they feed to pigs for the rest of my life and inevitably beaten by the vastly superior and more advanced Mexican citizens who can't run their own damn country which keeps everyone in poverty while robber barons like Carlos Slim control the country and the Mexicans sit eating their tortillas and chalupas and plot on how to destroy America.

Oh now I should bow to Mexico the most advanced country on the face of the Earth.
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they would blow it on rims and gold teeth in
3-4 months. soit would immeiatly go back into
the economy.
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I have absolutely no problem paying reparations to living ex-slaves. Know where we can find them?
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I have absolutely no problem paying reparations to living ex-slaves. Know where we can find them?
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There are slaves living in Africa today. Because blacks descended from Africans and therefore the blacks in Africa who owned slaves are distant relatives of American blacks, do the blacks in America owe reparations to slaves in Africa?

That makes more sense then that I and every other American ought to pay reparations.
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Show me one person alive today who was actually a slave in 1860 and that person can have reparations.

As for the rest, tides of history. Most of our population today have ancestors who came her after the Civil War rather than before it.

Even in the south, most white people did not own slaves. That was more for the very rich. How the rich managed to convince the poor to fight to save it is amazing. Yes, there were other issues involved but slavery was one of the more important ones.

And yes, gangbangers should pay reparations to the families of those they have killed and raped and robbed. They should pay reparations to every city for the neighborhoods they have ruined and all the welfare payments to the girls and women they got pregnant just to prove their manhood.

I would like some reparations from the rulers of the countries my ancestors who came here steerage class with one suitcase, if they were lucky. Some came with not even that.

Slavery was a terrible blight on this country but one that many fought and died to eliminate.

The real tragedy is that after slavery was finished, the freed slaves were generally no better off than they were as slaves. Also, that it was eliminated in the Constitution when it was written. Those who supported banning the practice really thought it was a dying institution because it was a very expensive source of labor.

Time for the black community to move beyond the victim status and begin to take command of their own communities and lives. Most seem to be doing that but there are still some die-hards like those in ACORN who are still teaching those who are poor that it is all whitey's fault.
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Show me one person alive today who was actually a slave in 1860 and that person can have reparations.

As for the rest, tides of history. Most of our population today have ancestors who came her after the Civil War rather than before it.

Even in the south, most white people did not own slaves. That was more for the very rich. How the rich managed to convince the poor to fight to save it is amazing. Yes, there were other issues involved but slavery was one of the more important ones.

And yes, gangbangers should pay reparations to the families of those they have killed and raped and robbed. They should pay reparations to every city for the neighborhoods they have ruined and all the welfare payments to the girls and women they got pregnant just to prove their manhood.

I would like some reparations from the rulers of the countries my ancestors who came here steerage class with one suitcase, if they were lucky. Some came with not even that.

Slavery was a terrible blight on this country but one that many fought and died to eliminate.

The real tragedy is that after slavery was finished, the freed slaves were generally no better off than they were as slaves. Also, that it was eliminated in the Constitution when it was written. Those who supported banning the practice really thought it was a dying institution because it was a very expensive source of labor.

Time for the black community to move beyond the victim status and begin to take command of their own communities and lives. Most seem to be doing that but there are still some die-hards like those in ACORN who are still teaching those who are poor that it is all whitey's fault.
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This world is a sick place. But look on the bright side, I'm a college student at a liberal university that is teaching cow dung as if it were wisdom and it hasn't phased me. There are very few like me in college. I was a champion mathlete and so this Analysis of Reparations I did was more fun than anything.

Most idiots in school today can't divide 6 into 78 without a calculator. I didn't use some calculator for this. I did it in my head. I can divide numbers into numbers with 15 digits and they look at me as a god. Sad thing is, I'm a nobody and in the big scheme of things pretty dumb myself. But these fools they're graduating today are dumb as shit. I can spot them in a crowd at school, the blacks and mexicans who come just to get a financial aid check and do everything but graduate. It'd cost them too much to graduate because they're getting thousands in free financial aid per semester just for being a minority. I think to say the average IQ for Americans is 95 is a vast understatement. The idiots I deal with on a daily basis are flat out dumber than some borderline deficient people in special ed.

That postgrad student who is going to teach social studies doesn't know the half of it. Most people a generation older than I am would be appalled at the state schools are in today. I cannot believe some of the stuff I have seen. I have been in school for more than 15 straight years, kindergarten all the way up to my time in college now. I have seen this develop and it is not getting better, but worse.

The more we follow the example of schools like the Tucson, Arizona school and the school district I graduated in that allowed a black student to kill a white teacher just weeks ago, we will see a mass exodus out of teaching as a profession. Black people are to education as HR 3200 is to health care.

You think it will be bad when this bill passes and doctors are put out of business and refuse to work and go set up shop in foreign countries? You think the patient pool is overwhelming the resources as it is now?

Give the minorities another couple decades and the teachers will quit and refuse to work. This postgrad student thinking he's going in to teaching, finished his school work and going to work is irreparably blinded. I give him 10 years in the schools of America before he begs God, who he may not even believe in, for mercy. It will make a believer out of the hardcore atheists all day long, or at least make them wish there was a God just to strike these fools dead.

I am warning this country... education can be your best friend but it can also be your worst enemy.
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