A thread for former Christians.

Duhhhh!!!

a·pos·ta·sy = Abandonment of one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.

Not true...in scripture it references this as God looks the other way on their sin. A Jewish Old Testament student would know the book.

What happened to you is a result of a Religious Lie promoted by main stream churchianity Catholic and Protestant alike.

I am thankful to God for waking me up and showng me who He really is NOT what churchianity presents Him to be.

Please read this thread, and all the links I posted.

Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?

God bless

interesting topic...i no longer consider myself a mainstream christian either. After reading the bible several times, and then studying, topic by topic....I came away with completely different information, than what the mainstream teaches. Broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many there be that go that way. Their mouths honor me, but their hearts are far away. There will be many who say Lord Lord, I prophesied in your name, healed the sick, raised the dead, and I will say to them, get away from me you doers of iniquity, for I know you not. The whole world lies in the hand of the wicked One. The whole world has been deceived. To the religious leaders of his time he said, you are sons of vipers and your Father is the Devil...our Judeo Christian teachings are based off of those same teachings. Christ said..they worship what they do not know. He gave us the answers...and he told us to to go into our closets and pray there quietly/privately, and what we do in secret, will be openly rewarded..and not to be as the hypocrites who do everything in public, because there only reward will be what those who see them think of them. He made it clear we don't need anyone or anything in order to have a relationship with him, and why people think they need to go to a religion or a building to 'commune with him', when the bible says the spirit doesn't dwell in buildings made with hands...you know why...cause we are the temple, and the spirit dwells in us, as the kingdom of God is IN us. Mainstream Christianity teaches man to strive to get into heaven, but if you have actually understood the Christ, he taught man to get Heaven inside him, in the here and Now.

You have many, many incarnations. Which one will you "judge?" When Hitler was a "good" woman, or when he was a "bad" man? And don't give me this BS that there is no such thing as reincarnation.

Origen, one of the heralded Fathers of the Church and described by Saint Gregory as "the Prince of Christian learning in the third century," wrote: "Every soul comes into this world strengthened by the victories and weakened by the defeats of its previous life." In 325 AD, at the Council of Nicea, for the sake of unity, all passages making reference to reincarnation were removed from the scriptures. Puts a new meaning to the term “Ye must be born again.”

Surely that doesn't surprise you, does it?

Once born again, only God can retract it, only God could give it to begin with....it is a gift of Gods Holy Spirit. You are using a mankind word defined by mankind to suit him.

One night he went to Jesus and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher sent by God. No one could perform the miracles you are doing unless God were with him." Jesus answered, "I am telling you the truth: no one can see the Kingdom of God without being born again." "How can a grown man be born again?" Nicodemus asked. "He certainly cannot enter his mother's womb and be born a second time!" "I am telling you the truth," replied Jesus, "that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. A person is born physically of human parents, but is born spiritually of the Spirit. Do not be surprised because I tell you that you must all be born again. The wind blows wherever it wishes; you hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. It is like that with everyone who is born of the Spirit." "How can this be?" asked Nicodemus. Jesus answered, "You are a great teacher in Israel, and you don't know this? I am telling you the truth: we speak of what we know and report what we have seen, yet none of you is willing to accept our message. You do not believe me when I tell you about the things of this world; how will you ever believe me, then, when I tell you about the things of heaven?
(John 3:2-12)

I misunderstood your post, AC 6918, but I read your other ones and understood, so I standby what I said about your arrogance. I am not looking for an argument, so you can reply but I won't respond.

Thanks! I started this thread because I wanted to hear from people like you. I get the fear and guilt thing. It takes guts to take that leap after all the fear you have been taught. I will look up Bill Donahue. Thank you for that!

That's where reincarnation come in. Oh, wait a minute!! No, that can't be. The Christians say reincarnation doesn't exist. I guess that leaves hell for anyone born prior to A.D. See how sick and retarded their beliefs are? Because you weren't born at the right time (as if you had any choice in the matter), you are automatically condemned to hell.

Look, let's call a truce here. I misunderstood both of your posts. I should have read them more carefully. My bad.

No, not at all. I fully expected it. I knew I would get bashed, but I also knew I would find some support.

then i would say that you weren't a true Christian

and, in addition, if you have been baptized with the Holy Spirit, any back-slidden state is temporary.

try not to be deceived by the deceivers
personally, i think some of the worst deceivers are in the church organizations

not to be confused with the one True Church which is the body of believers, the true and genuine ones

there are many believers that do not subscribe the the mainstream fundie false cults

i am one of them

I wasn't a true Christian? Hmmmm, I sure thought I was. I was baptized in the church of Christ when I was 22. Wrong church?

I no longer believe in the Christ that the 501C3 churches promote.

what started my decision to open my mind was a historical bible study (how it came to be official)


I still study the bible but with a new perspective and not one painted by others.

I dont consider myself a christian but Im not anti either.

as i stated in my second point, if you are baptized in the Holy Spirit, there's no turning back.

don't get me wrong...
i've been very disillusioned over the years due to church involvements and congregations

i started off in the pentacostal church
never saw such a satanic group of heathens in all my life

walked away from the faith for a good while after that
went into full back-slide

but God has His hand on me
His eye is on the sparrow

You never were, why are you so upset? Your bold shows your anger. You fell victim to mankind usurping what is good and Holy.....God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit along with the Bible. did you have any interaction with God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit that were a bad experience? Did you have any interaction with an organized religion that was a bad experience? The world has been bamboozled into letting other men teach God to us. Let God teach God to you..ask Him.

judgement day is everyday it seems.

OP, this is the classic Christian response to people like you AND ME who have left Chrisitanity. I left after being a preacher/teacher for almost 30 years. This is the response we were taught in seminary to give when confronted with someone who has left the faith. It is the default answer.

I will tell you my story if you want, but don't want to bore with details if not requested. BTW, bravo to you. It takes courage to walk away.

oh bite my ass. you make sound like there's a pamphlet full of deceptive responses somewhere

i spoke from the heart
you can't handle that
obviously

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Add us now does it not??

Careful salt or you go on the shit list as well.



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Fxd

Actually I wasn't angry when I wrote that. I bolded it to separate my response from the other poster.
No, I did not have a bad experience with a church. I had a bad experience with Christians....a lot of them. And I did ask HIM. I was led to where I am today.

>>I left after being a preacher/teacher for almost 30 years.<<

sounds like you would probably be a fast study in law. Ive found that my former bible studies to be very beneficial now that I study law.

Such a loving response from a "Christian". I'm just telling the truth that in seminary we were taught to tell "apostates" that they never were really saved to begin with. It was the default answer. Apparently you can't handle that truth. Your attitude and response are typical....because you fear. Chrisitanity is fear based.

that doesn't confront me at all

Thread: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

Beautiful words, so true, so true. Thanks

Yep, the Christian Coalition voting Bush in again in 2004 made me think long and hard about Christianity. Especially when Bush said the war was a Crusade that God told him too.

And when they were going to vote Mitt Romney the Mormon, (god over his own planet, Heaven on earth in Missouri) I'm thinking twice about the kool-aid they been serving.