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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68583665 United States 04/08/2015 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's too bad the natives of North America didn't benefit from all that Christian goodness. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68570882 Many did, and are now in heaven as a result. Yes, the 19th-century treatment of the natives was not very good, and we could go back and forth and bicker and argue all day over "who killed who." But, the fact is, without the Goldy intentions of the 18th-century founders, America would not exist, and all the GOOD that was done by this country over the years would never had occurred either. People (socialists and Communists mostly) love to over-emphasize the evil that was done, primarily because they hate America's God, not really because they hate America. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58130200 United States 04/08/2015 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sure ain't the America that I grew up in. [link to youtu.be (secure)] Quoting: Judethz you think it's bad now?? wait another 10-20 more years.... west covina/diamond bar area is now being infested by chinks and filipinos..... and that doesnt include the hordes of wetbacks that is pouring into this country..... read my previous thread: Thread: Fucking Immigrants are Taking up all of the Jobs |
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User ID: 65794755 United States 04/08/2015 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good read: Quoting: KoFFee_ [snip - less than 50%] Newsweek magazine, on December 27, 1982, in an article entitled, How the Bible Made America, made this revealing statement, “historians are discovering that the Bible, perhaps even more than the Constitution, is our Founding document.” To understand the core values of a nation, one must simply look to the beliefs set forth during its conception, and, in the case of America, during the transitional years of the American Revolution. Judge for yourself how far we have drifted from the original intent of early Americans. Consider the following: Then: If a proposed article for the Constitution was not supported by, or rooted in the Bible, it was not considered. In their early writings, many of the Founding Fathers quoted or referenced the Bible nearly four times more than any other source. Now: The Bible is mocked, ridiculed, and discarded. Then: First introduced in 1766, William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws, served as the legal reference for the Founders, as well as for many early American lawyers. Blackstone’s commentaries were deeply rooted in biblical principles. It’s been said that Blackstone was the first to use the phrase, “the laws of nature and of nature’s God.” Now: “It is unconstitutional for students to see the Ten Commandments since they might read, meditate upon, respect, or obey them.” Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980). Read the rest here: [link to www.oneplace.com] This |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68823001 United States 04/08/2015 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 What you see today is your idea of a more evolved and more intelligent mankind? Yes. I do. (At least in regards to religion). Are the American people the dumbest on earth? Yes. Easily groomed, conditioned and brainwashed to accept the next foreign engagement/incursion. I've been around a long time, and dumb Americans are a recent development. Trust me when I tell you that the dumbing-down of America was not an agenda initiated by Christians. THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ It has been done intentionally!!!! Google: Charlotte Iserbyt and download her free book!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62145882 United States 04/08/2015 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The founders never told anyone that the bible was not the basis for the founding documents. They mentioned God often in all their writings. They worked hard to assure the religious freedom for all American. The freedom of religion they wanted was to keep the government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government. They knew that a government without religion would be corrupt. Amazing how they could see the future. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Amen. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43682507 United States 04/08/2015 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the founders did everything they could to prevent what is happening today. they weren't great future predictors as some have claimed. they actually lived it. cycles repeat, history repeats for those who do not learn its lessons. we are repeating the same past mistakes of civilizations, over and over again. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68570882 United States 04/08/2015 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's too bad the natives of North America didn't benefit from all that Christian goodness. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68570882 Many did, and are now in heaven as a result. Yes, the 19th-century treatment of the natives was not very good, and we could go back and forth and bicker and argue all day over "who killed who." But, the fact is, without the Goldy intentions of the 18th-century founders, America would not exist, and all the GOOD that was done by this country over the years would never had occurred either. People (socialists and Communists mostly) love to over-emphasize the evil that was done, primarily because they hate America's God, not really because they hate America. People only believe in God to a point. As long as it doesn't interfere with what their inner beast wants. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58125316 United States 04/08/2015 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68862147 Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast. Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes. I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage. I'm also an atheist and have reached the conclusion that most of humanity isn't ready to be free thinkers. The average person needs something to keep them in check and tell them how to live and think. Religion has a lot of problems but its much better than building a huge tyrannical government. By the way there is a portion of the atheist community that are no better than the religious when it comes to being busy bodies and trying to force their beliefs on others. I prefer a lukewarm Christian over a radical atheist. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68857705 United States 04/08/2015 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 Evolved? Oh, really. Evolved into atheistic Communism or socialism, where hardship and despair are as great, if not far greater, than in places tied to Christianity? Evolved into broken-down libtardism, where just about all the slummiest of slums pray to the religion of libtardism? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68857705 United States 04/08/2015 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the bible is proof that god and jesus exists than a marvel comic book is proof than spiderman exists Quoting: mentallyunst@ble stupid religitards Just as long you don't instead pray at the altar of libtardism, which is less likely amongst all those whose religion is based on the god of the bleeding heart. |
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User ID: 3208850 United States 04/08/2015 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You could add that the Early Pilgrims and Settlers in the New World were... Separatists... Puritans... They wanted diss-allusion from the European Totalitarian Mongrel Jew, who had infested the Christian Faith. The Totalitarians Motto... In order to Control the Opposition...You Lead the Opposition... Heinous Anus... Where Blather Meets Godzilla! Throbbing with semi-liquid contents... And Ready to Spew... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59630342 United States 04/08/2015 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The piece that many people miss, most purposefully, if that the Judeo-Christian moral framework was just that: a moral framework. Small minded people contend that one must either accept every word of the bible literally or discard it completely. Wiser men see it for what it is...the wisdom of the ages told in parable; mixed with legend, propaganda, and allegory from various times in our history, that provides a path for men to live side by side in relative peace. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11454231 The Bible is probably the most important document in the Western world, and is in fact the underpinnings of our society whether one is able to accept that or not. Personally I don't believe in "God", but I do believe in the value of the 10 commandments and the basis of Judeo-Christian values and ethics. Please do not use the word 'Jude0-Christianity'. It is a made up word that is meant to tie Christian people to Jews... Jews arwe the enemies of Christ... Judeo-Christianity is a term invented by Jews o enslave the minds of Christians. You can live as Jesus commanded without being a slave to Israel. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61974406 United States 04/08/2015 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just Today in Texas and the fact he has to hand out such should alarm us even more Teacher accused of giving students Anti-Muslim handouts [link to www.khou.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49326476 United States 04/08/2015 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Founders drew on the Bible and believed that Christianity was necessary for civil morality in a republican system. Quoting: The_Original_Mind It doesn't follow, however, that they believed Christianity should be imposed through law. The First Amendment is very clear - indeed, is even clearer in its first draft. Government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion. Yes, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No one is arguing that it means that. But it does mean that government will not impose religion through law, including through laws governing public school. Why is this important? For one reason, a reason that all Christians can accept, it prevents one sect of Christianity from gaining dominance over any others. It's easy for Christians to say that America should make laws based on the Bible against atheists or Muslims. But let's say we do: which Christianity do we use? Baptist? Unitarian? Catholic? "Nondenominational"? Calvinist? Lutheran? Should schools teach that Christ was a human, a god, or both man and God? Should schools teach pre-trib or post-trib? Etc. Now part of the confusion here arises from the fact that the Bible used to be taught in schools. But the schools in which it was taught were state-run schools. States weren't originally bound to the Constitution, and so if their state constitution permitting teaching the Bible, they could do so. But with the steady imposition of the federal constitution on the states, the first amendment has come to apply within the states. Furthermore, the federalization of schools and required the imposition of the first amendment on state schools. So while state schools could teach the bible previously, they find it increasingly hard to do so now. The answer is obvious: free up the education system, and then the freedom of atheists like myself is respected (my children won't be forced to learned Christianity at the point of government's gun), and Christians will be free to teach their children whatever brand of Christianity they prefer. Schools dont teach your kids Christianity, you damn liar. Someone can't read. I didn't say they teach Christianity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59630342 United States 04/08/2015 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68862147 Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast. Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes. I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage. I'm also an atheist and have reached the conclusion that most of humanity isn't ready to be free thinkers. The average person needs something to keep them in check and tell them how to live and think. Religion has a lot of problems but its much better than building a huge tyrannical government. By the way there is a portion of the atheist community that are no better than the religious when it comes to being busy bodies and trying to force their beliefs on others. I prefer a lukewarm Christian over a radical atheist. Very true. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68860790 United States 04/08/2015 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GLP: re-writing history. LOL. The Constitution is a secular document. And, if you read Jefferson and Madison (which none of you obviously have); you would know that the primary authors of the Bill of Rights were secular. Quoting: harry 42263367 LIAR Our founding Document is our DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE Now let's see what America's founders had to say: The Declaration of Independence IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies: For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated: Column 1 Georgia: Button Gwinnett Lyman Hall George Walton Column 2 North Carolina: William Hooper Joseph Hewes John Penn South Carolina: Edward Rutledge Thomas Heyward, Jr. Thomas Lynch, Jr. Arthur Middleton Column 3 Massachusetts: John Hancock Maryland: Samuel Chase William Paca Thomas Stone Charles Carroll of Carrollton Virginia: George Wythe Richard Henry Lee Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Harrison Thomas Nelson, Jr. Francis Lightfoot Lee Carter Braxton Column 4 Pennsylvania: Robert Morris Benjamin Rush Benjamin Franklin John Morton George Clymer James Smith George Taylor James Wilson George Ross Delaware: Caesar Rodney George Read Thomas McKean Column 5 New York: William Floyd Philip Livingston Francis Lewis Lewis Morris New Jersey: Richard Stockton John Witherspoon Francis Hopkinson John Hart Abraham Clark Column 6 New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett William Whipple Massachusetts: Samuel Adams John Adams Robert Treat Paine Elbridge Gerry Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins William Ellery Connecticut: Roger Sherman Samuel Huntington William Williams Oliver Wolcott New Hampshire: Matthew Thornton |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68860786 Panama 04/08/2015 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's too bad the natives of North America didn't benefit from all that Christian goodness. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68570882 At least the Comanches aren't roasting people alive and cutting their faces off anymore. Who told you that ? You are officially too ignorant to debate. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68860790 United States 04/08/2015 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the United States was formed, ALMOST 100% of the population was CHRISTIAN!!!!! These stupid atheists and agnostics would like to change that FACT, but they cannot. Prior to the formation of the United States, for the first hundred years America was what the world would consider a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN NATION. We were FAR more devout than our mother countries in Europe. The tallest building in EVERY town and hamlet was the CHURCH, and there were churches EVERYWHERE. They were the center around which American life revolved from birth to marriage to burial. The fact that STILL in our vile and wicked society nearly 80% of Americans profess Christianity proves our Christian beginnings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21504734 Sweden 04/08/2015 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even your founding fathers warned about this: "They work more effectively against us than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." Maxims of George Washington by A.A. Appleton & Co. "I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. That menace, gentlemen, is the xxxx. In whatever country xxxx have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation was founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal. For over 1700 hundred years, the xxxx have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland. But, gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only amongst themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race. If you do not exclude them from these United States in the Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance, and jeopardized our liberty." Benjamin Franklin, "Chit Chat Around the Table During Intermissions," a section of the Diary of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina. Pickney (1746-1825) |
harry User ID: 42263367 United States 04/08/2015 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 did it bother you to leave your bubble long enough to post? the liberal atheism we are so good bubble. like all bubbles, it breaks! Sorry; don't presume to stereotype me as you have been taught/brainwashed/programed/conditioned to do. I am as right-wing as they come. |