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User ID: 77771189 United States 09/06/2019 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Quoting: Simple27 I'm no meteorologist, but that thing appears to be reorganizing/strengthening?! cat 2 100mph by the time it gets to Canada. you are correct by the way LUIS reported the hurricane becomes a BLIZZARD then also. he swore at Canada this AM. JAZZZ50 2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out. we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth. if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars. |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/06/2019 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @TombStoneBub Unbelievable what this storm has done in Bahamas Hurricane Dorian2019 Storm Floods 2nd Floor of a Home In #FreeportBahamas God be with them all video [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/06/2019 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @WeatherNation We're getting new weather information regarding just how hard the winds gusted in North Carolina as Hurricane Dorian moved through. Cedar Island has taken the top spot at 110 miles per hour! [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/06/2019 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @crankywxguy Dorian continues its transition. Tropical Core is bottom weighted as aloft to the north heading extra-tropical. [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Simple27
User ID: 40488826 United States 09/06/2019 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Quoting: Simple27 I'm no meteorologist, but that thing appears to be reorganizing/strengthening?! cat 2 100mph by the time it gets to Canada. you are correct Still trying to catch up here. Hoping that you're joking, but believing that you're not. :\ What a rider this storm is. ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
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User ID: 40488826 United States 09/07/2019 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Quoting: Simple27 cat 2 100mph by the time it gets to Canada. you are correct by the way LUIS reported the hurricane becomes a BLIZZARD then also. he swore at Canada this AM. I'm sure he was reporting what he was reading at the time. Found this. Link is from this morning. One forecast from Quebec, Canada, however, is predicting snow in the northern-most part of the region, thanks to a Arctic cold front that will combine with moisture from Dorian. [link to www.burlingtonfreepress.com (secure)] ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 An aerial view of flooding and damaged vehicles after Hurricane Dorian on Freeport, Grand Bahama, on September 5, 2019 # Adam Delgiudice / AFP photo [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73506510 United Kingdom 09/07/2019 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 cat 2 100mph by the time it gets to Canada. you are correct Quoting: JAZZz50 Still trying to catch up here. Hoping that you're joking, but believing that you're not. :\ What a rider this storm is. Look at the wind field expansion that happens from the GFS in just 24 hours. This becomes a very large hurricane that is on the way to become a very strong summer mid-latitude cyclone. The technical term is negatively tilted trough. This happened most famously with Sandy 2012. It probably won’t be that incredible of a transition, but you can’t rule it out either. [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 12:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @philklotzbach Only 2 #hurricanes since 1983 have made landfall in Canada with a pressure <= 960 hPa - #HurricaneDorian's current pressure. Hurricane Gustav - 2002 - 960 hPa Hurricane Igor - 2010 - 950 hPa NOAA has a complete record of non-continental US Atlantic landfalls starting in 1983. loop [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @breakingweather Residents of the coastal Northeast and Atlantic Canada are the next in line to feel the disruptive effects from Dorian even as the hurricane lurks offshore map [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @NWSBoston Here's a closer look at wind & wave observations from Nantucket Shoals Buoy. Peak gust as of midnight was 54 MPH with a wave height of 11 feet. [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Latest wind gusts as of midnight. Highest is 54 MPH at Nantucket Shoals Buoy (far lower right of image), also 42 MPH at Nantucket Sound Buoy. map [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
joinca
User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @WxmanFranz You can see the rain hit a wall S&E of Boston. Couldn’t push back enough, but Cape got some decent rain/wind. loop [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495 United States 09/07/2019 01:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 [link to twitter.com (secure)] Michael Watkins @watkinstrack Missed this in the hub-bub, but Sea Surface Temps (SSTs) were already lower than normal near where #Dorian stalled as of 8/31. Hard to say what would have been different if that little anomaly were not there interesting surface temperature anomaly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73506510 United Kingdom 09/07/2019 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Absolutely CATASTROPHIC #oilspill in #GrandBahama from #HurricaneDorian at the #Statoil / @Equinor facility. [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 NWS Boston @NWSBoston #HurricaneDorian was passing about 200 miles S of Nantucket & was moving NE at 25 mph. Some peak gusts so far in SNE: - 51 mph in Wellfleet, MA & Charlestown, RI - 50 mph in Provincetown, MA - 46 mph in Siasconset (Nantucket) loop [link to twitter.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73506510 United Kingdom 09/07/2019 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Tearful survivor Alicia Cooke wept: "Everything is gone, people are starting to panic. Pillaging, looting, trying to shoot people for food and water. It's just no way everyone's going to get out." "No homes. No banks. No gas stations. No hardware stores. Everything is gone". Last night Health Minister Duane Sands warned of a "staggering" final number. "The public needs to prepare for unimaginable information about the death toll and the human suffering," he told local radio. On social media thousands are still listed as missing as British and American rescue teams hunt through the rubble for survivors. People are also using websites such as DorianPeopleSearch.com, which currently lists the names of more than 5,500 missing people. [link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)] |
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User ID: 76969754 United States 09/07/2019 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @UNDRR #HurricaneDorian: Death toll continues to rise in Bahamas as thousands wait to evacuate islands with devastated infrastructure [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to www.bbc.com (secure)] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77010868 United States 09/07/2019 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Hurricane Dorian Makes Bahamians the Latest Climate-Crisis Victims The country has a tiny carbon footprint but carries the burden of being ground zero for global warming. What we have seen in the past few days has been sublime in its horror. It has estranged us from the humor that keeps us going despite the increasing fragility of life in the breathtakingly beautiful place we call home. It has a tiny carbon footprint but carries the burden of being ground zero for our climate crisis. We Bahamians listen to climate deniers in rich countries who are oblivious or indifferent to those who bear the weight for their wonderful lives. Meanwhile, the water rises from the ground in our yards because the water table is so high during high tide, and plants we once depended upon no longer grow. We experience too much rain or too little rain, and fresh water supplies are increasingly contaminated by rising sea levels. We watch as the governments of small island states like our own, tied to multinational agreements, are forced to make decisions that are not in the best interests of the people they serve, while our electrical grid fails and we are made more dependent on fossil fuels rather than renewable energy. “Too expensive,” they say. “For whom?” we reply. “Is cost the only consideration?” We feel the sunshine all around us but are prevented from employing it freely and legally to meet our energy needs. It can be illegal to take your house off the grid and go completely solar on your own, but who knows how often the government enforces this. The energy from solar panels becomes an enemy instead of a resource. The United Nations recently released a damning climate report that stated unless immediate dramatic changes take place across the world, places like the Bahamas will be the first to be consumed by the ocean. There was no discussion of this apocalyptic report in the country, nothing from the prime minister. [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] |
Simple27
User ID: 40488826 United States 09/07/2019 02:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Look at the wind field expansion that happens from the GFS in just 24 hours. This becomes a very large hurricane that is on the way to become a very strong summer mid-latitude cyclone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73506510 The technical term is negatively tilted trough. This happened most famously with Sandy 2012. It probably won’t be that incredible of a transition, but you can’t rule it out either. [link to twitter.com (secure)] Thanks! ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
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User ID: 40488826 United States 09/07/2019 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 @philklotzbach Quoting: joinca Only 2 #hurricanes since 1983 have made landfall in Canada with a pressure <= 960 hPa - #HurricaneDorian's current pressure. Hurricane Gustav - 2002 - 960 hPa Hurricane Igor - 2010 - 950 hPa NOAA has a complete record of non-continental US Atlantic landfalls starting in 1983. loop [link to twitter.com (secure)] ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
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User ID: 40488826 United States 09/07/2019 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Absolutely CATASTROPHIC #oilspill in #GrandBahama from #HurricaneDorian at the #Statoil / @Equinor facility. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73506510 [link to twitter.com (secure)] ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
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User ID: 40488826 United States 09/07/2019 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 ‘YOU CAN SMELL THE CORPSES’ Hurricane Dorian – Bahamas residents ‘looting and shooting each other for food’ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73506510 Tearful survivor Alicia Cooke wept: "Everything is gone, people are starting to panic. Pillaging, looting, trying to shoot people for food and water. It's just no way everyone's going to get out." "No homes. No banks. No gas stations. No hardware stores. Everything is gone". Last night Health Minister Duane Sands warned of a "staggering" final number. "The public needs to prepare for unimaginable information about the death toll and the human suffering," he told local radio. On social media thousands are still listed as missing as British and American rescue teams hunt through the rubble for survivors. People are also using websites such as DorianPeopleSearch.com, which currently lists the names of more than 5,500 missing people. [link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)] Unimaginable ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77529642 United States 09/07/2019 02:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Hurricane Dorian Makes Bahamians the Latest Climate-Crisis Victims Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77010868 The country has a tiny carbon footprint but carries the burden of being ground zero for global warming. What we have seen in the past few days has been sublime in its horror. It has estranged us from the humor that keeps us going despite the increasing fragility of life in the breathtakingly beautiful place we call home. It has a tiny carbon footprint but carries the burden of being ground zero for our climate crisis. We Bahamians listen to climate deniers in rich countries who are oblivious or indifferent to those who bear the weight for their wonderful lives. Meanwhile, the water rises from the ground in our yards because the water table is so high during high tide, and plants we once depended upon no longer grow. We experience too much rain or too little rain, and fresh water supplies are increasingly contaminated by rising sea levels. We watch as the governments of small island states like our own, tied to multinational agreements, are forced to make decisions that are not in the best interests of the people they serve, while our electrical grid fails and we are made more dependent on fossil fuels rather than renewable energy. “Too expensive,” they say. “For whom?” we reply. “Is cost the only consideration?” We feel the sunshine all around us but are prevented from employing it freely and legally to meet our energy needs. It can be illegal to take your house off the grid and go completely solar on your own, but who knows how often the government enforces this. The energy from solar panels becomes an enemy instead of a resource. The United Nations recently released a damning climate report that stated unless immediate dramatic changes take place across the world, places like the Bahamas will be the first to be consumed by the ocean. There was no discussion of this apocalyptic report in the country, nothing from the prime minister. [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] NEWYORK TIMES=FAKE NEWS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73506510 United Kingdom 09/07/2019 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73506510 [link to uploads.disquscdn.com (secure)] Humberto as a boy's name is of Old German origin, and the meaning of Humberto is "shining intellect, famous giant, or renowned warrior". New Euro: [link to imgur.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73506510 United Kingdom 09/07/2019 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THE GREAT DORIAN HURRICANE CAT5. 906Mb : Max wave 30.7 m, or 100.7 feet! That matches max wave during the Perfect Storm in 1991!!!p472 Absolutely CATASTROPHIC #oilspill in #GrandBahama from #HurricaneDorian at the #Statoil / @Equinor facility. [link to twitter.com (secure)] Here's a view from above [link to bahamaspress.com] Looks like they filled the tanks with oil to prevent collapse...but the tops got lifted anyway |