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Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock

 
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Had a similar experience a few weeks ago from bee stings. A biphasic reaction too.

I would advise to have Epi on hand, benadryl and pepcid/zantax. (spelling sucks!)

On first sign, epi, chew two benadryl and take a zantac.

Something about the antacid, cant remember, wife is a nurse and told me but...

But honestly the epi is the life saver and the only known treatment for Anaphylaxis.

Good luck! Scary shit for sure.
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in case there is no epi, will the 2 benadryl and zantac help or must you have an epi? Just wanting to know in case I were to come across this
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Benedryl shuts down the histamine reaction and yes, tho not sure about the zantac.
When somebody is bitten by a brown recluse, the first thing they should do is take benedryl or reishi to keep the histamine caused wound from being worse. The damage comes from the body's reaction to the venom. Cut that back and they are much better later without, hopefully, giant craters from histamine damage and secondary bacteria after.
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good info to know thanks!
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Anaphylatic shock starts within minutes, not hours or even half an hour. It has nothing to do with hour diet, your weight, your height, your routine. Nothing like that.

It is something from the outside that your body is highly alergic too and you injested it via mouth or nose.

I had my emt once
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Bizarre experience yesterday. I nearly died from Anaphylaxic Shock. The Amberlamps and two EMTs got an epi pen into me right as my airway was nearly closed and I was losing consciousness.

The reason I am posting is that I am trying to find out what the trigger was. Scary to be uncertain of the causal agent.

Important facts:

I am 6 feet tall, 51 yo, male, active, but probably 40 pounds overweight. Married, three kids, own my business, work quite a bit and generally feel good. No chronic health issues, zero medications, no known diseases.

Two weeks ago, my younger brother visited from out of town. We had not seen each other for a year or so, and he says “Man, you’ve gotten fat.” Truth hurts, but it can be effective.

Started Keto two days later. A first for me. Almost zero carbs, lots of protein and fats. The first week I missed carbs a lot (bread and pasta are my main poisons of choice), but I stuck it out. Felt okay, just kind of irritable. Lost about 4 pounds.

End of the second week the Keto ‘flu’ hit with a vengeance. My understanding is that this is a sign that the body is making the fundamental transition from burning carbs for energy to burning fat for energy. Nausea, headache, diarrhea, and more. I was grade-A miserable, but two days later it was pretty much over, and when I used a urine test strip, for the first time, I was solidly producing ketones and therefore Ketosis was happening.

That was yesterday morning.

I had farm eggs and sausage for breakfast. Lunch was pot roast from a friend’s grass-raised steer. It felt great to be pretty much over keto flu.

Now, next comes the possible trigger, though it is hard to believe. I picked up some MCT oil a few days ago. It is often used to support ketosis, because it is zero carb, but packed full of healthy fats (Medium Chain Triglycerides). It simply highly refined coconut oil. I eat a lot of regular coconut oil, but never MCT. I mixed about a teaspoon in coffee, and sipped on it after lunch.

4 hours later, feeling normal, suddenly I notice my lips and tongue are swelling. I have not eaten anything for hours, have not been stung or bit that I am aware of, and I am sitting at my desk realizing I am entering Anaphylaxic Shock.

I have no known allergies, so I do not have an epi pen lying around. Very rapidly my arms, legs, and trunk are red and swollen. Sweating profusely. It is getting harder to draw a breath and my vision is getting poor, fast.

We live very rural, and I am home alone. No help.

The farmer who owns the land next to our home & shop just decided to drive to his equipment barn and hook up his bush hog. As I stumble out the front door to call 911, there he was.

He called 911. EMTs show up about 12 minutes later (pretty good for our distance from the hospital). They hit me with an epi, start fluids, put me on oxygen, and get me to the hospital.

They released me a few hours later. I went to sleep about ten and woke up at four a.m. way too happy to be alive to go back to sleep. Frankly I feel pretty good.

What does GLP say? I need to figure out what the trigger was, so I can avoid it…

BTW, I am not a secret agent, a whistle-blower, and I do not have dirt on the Clintons, so I have no reason to think some toxic agent was daubed onto my keyboard by the deep state.
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You sound like you need a cleanse of the body....

Secondly when starting new diet and change in calorie counts
has effects on the body...

You are 6 foots so you need more calories to keep your body going.

What you do is trade out foods and transition your body into this new way of living....

When I lost alot of extra weight it changed my entire body....

You literally will not feel the same as you did before and it takes time for your body to adjust to you lifestyle changes...

This also sounds like Vertigo and low blood sugar maybe the onset of pre-diabettes.

The way to combat much of this is to get daily exercise by working out, eating properly, and getting enough sleep would help your overall feeling of well being....
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
Anaphylatic shock starts within minutes, not hours or even half an hour. It has nothing to do with hour diet, your weight, your height, your routine. Nothing like that.

It is something from the outside that your body is highly alergic too and you injested it via mouth or nose.

I had my emt once
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That's generally true, but the first time can take hours because the body needs a chance to develop the allergy.

But subsequent times, yeah, within minutes.
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Holy crap that is insane. I passed out from Anaphylactic shock once... not a fun experience was revived after someone picked me out of the road!
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doesn't it hit you right away if you eat something you are allergic too like shell fish or something?
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Anaphylatic shock starts within minutes, not hours or even half an hour. It has nothing to do with hour diet, your weight, your height, your routine. Nothing like that.

It is something from the outside that your body is highly alergic too and you injested it via mouth or nose.

I had my emt once
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That's generally true, but the first time can take hours because the body needs a chance to develop the allergy.

But subsequent times, yeah, within minutes.
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Wrong
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Most likely not caused by the MCT oil (or contaminants within). anaphylaxis presents usually after 30 minutes from exposure.
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Bullshit! A bad/fatal case almost always occurs within 5-20 minutes.

If it is one that is that bad, your dead in 30 minutes.

Google is your friend.
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I meant within 30 minutes ( like after 30 minutes youd know)
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My money is on ragweed pollen up YO NOSE.
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I'm not saying ragweed, but it has to be an inhaled reaction. My granddaughter is allergic to dairy, egg whites and some animals and the reaction is immediate
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
Anaphylatic shock starts within minutes, not hours or even half an hour. It has nothing to do with hour diet, your weight, your height, your routine. Nothing like that.

It is something from the outside that your body is highly alergic too and you injested it via mouth or nose.

I had my emt once
 Quoting: Yuga Sage (The Red Pill)


That's generally true, but the first time can take hours because the body needs a chance to develop the allergy.

But subsequent times, yeah, within minutes.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


This is true. The first time i reacted to penicillin, anaphylactic shock began about 2 hours after taking penicillin.
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Had a similar experience a few weeks ago from bee stings. A biphasic reaction too.

I would advise to have Epi on hand, benadryl and pepcid/zantax. (spelling sucks!)

On first sign, epi, chew two benadryl and take a zantac.

Something about the antacid, cant remember, wife is a nurse and told me but...

But honestly the epi is the life saver and the only known treatment for Anaphylaxis.

Good luck! Scary shit for sure.
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in case there is no epi, will the 2 benadryl and zantac help or must you have an epi? Just wanting to know in case I were to come across this
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It will help, but Epi is hands down the life saver for sure.

My wife is a RN and has countless stories of Epi saving people. It is adrenaline.

That being said the anti-histamines help too... Chew them up and put them under your tounge, they will absorb faster... Tastes like hell and your whole mouth will be numb, but it will help save your ass... Maybe!

A severe reaction will require epi and possibly steroids.
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I never heard of this

God bless you and heal up

I would stay away from vitamin pills etc, I don't trust them

I would also stay away from some new and exotic stuff and stay with the old fashioned stuff

Be careful
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People do not thoroughly learn about a thing, as often as they just "go by the label". Most lack of success comes from not enough of the right things for the person that was eating it. Books and labels are written for safety on a broad scale, but drug doses are determined individually by age, weight, condition & etc and that is what people should think about as well as learning all they can about the item, side effects, bad mixes and more than a paragraph on what to expect. That makes a big difference.
Most all negative incidents come from bad mixes or wrong thing for them and usually in big amounts too. People get the one that only helps their cough a little bit, so keep drinking to get it to work.

Poisoning is the new hazard and we try to buy everything US or poland, hungary, country we bravo - and we get labs. Bigger load sellers are providing more labs now since things "got on the rise".

Mine is autoimmune. A blood protein I make myself causing what's a lot like serum sickness according to my doc.

I know I am in trouble when things start looking dark. It's edema around my optic nerve I am told.
I also get weird swellings in certain areas. I mention it so maybe you can notice if you have early warnings. I think mine have saved me a few times.

Once my lips swelled so fast- like 3-5 times normal in the time it took me to start drinking a glass of water & realized there was a weird tingle to the time I sat the cup down! That's why I have to keep a epi pen close.

The doctor should draw blood and that can tell him a lot. They started that with me, then ruled out lymphoma? I think it was. They look at your eosinophils and immunoglobulins. They can do a patch test if it is an allergen causing it.

Mine was really horrible for many years. Nearly killed me a few times. My doc gave me his office number so I went there instead of ER- he treated our emergencies in office during the week- he said he had 3 of us with this in the area. Mine is not so bad now. I still keep predisone, xyzal and epipens close though.

Try to manage it with a good doctor. The ERs will tell you to wait and let you die in the waiting room if they are busy.
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Yes, mine is systemic lethal RA and the last time a spider almost took me out.
I lost 6 lbs and was lapsing back into it when one of the college kids gave me a tiny piece of pot concentrate about the size of a fat grain of rice.
In 20 minutes, dying was "switched off" and pain was gone as well as where-the-pain-was-coming-from. I could not believe it. It arrests the disease progress.
So now i eat that, it is the emergency medicine and i use kratom when i want some too, but 55 and kratom pretty good to older body yes.
Hope you can find it shuts yours down too. I was on my last 19 years and now, there is no more sell-by date on me?

Zantac is an h2 inhibitor. It does help neutralize histamine in the gut, but the h1s are better for allergic reactions.
There was a time when I added Zantac in to help cut my histamine load.
There were times I couldn't take enough histamines and had to add daily 10mg or so of predisone too.
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Gut - that was the key here I think and so the zantac specifically would have helped in the case of op and some in others too.

When people in natural health talk about "toxins" I've always been kind of like hmmm what are these toxins of which you speak. I mean I'm not in denial that we live in a toxic stew but really... I do seem to live a pretty clean life. And yet I was so toxic. And the healthier I tried to be, the more toxic I became.

The vitamin A thing explains this SO WELL

A is a toxin and a vitamin and in order to "live healthy" we take on more and more of it...

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Unless there is some specific and unusual reason? Nobody should need to take it, they get enough in their food usually. Add an apple.
Yes it will stack and poison you.

You make a good point about the vagueness of toxins, but unless there is a lot of expensive lab testing, they can only "suspect" what toxins they might have.
Petrochemical poisoning is a big one, but onion soup is the best treatment for that. It is a bit different of a detox mechanism, glutathione from diet is more effective than the medical version they get.
Roundup is another type of chemical toxin load, as can be anything poison a person is exposed to or even common things that they get way over exposed to.
The first person I saw with over exposure to purer chocolate at work completely fuddled me. It can make a wreck of people.

So they are only vague unless they have blown $600 or so on labs and can only "expect" or suspect by what they are exposed to where they are. But the poisons we are all up against at different levels of different kinds is real and can cause radical health effects (shrunken mummy lungs of chemical worker, swollen destroyed liver from spray painting in closed places, lung cancer from an inhaled particle that did not get purged and then the cells next to it got damaged/weakened.

Prevention is everything there.

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I have been doing keto on and off for a few years now and never had any reactions per se. The illness you experienced is likely the stored toxins in the fat being burned off and your system having to deal with the toxicity...not a bad thing, but who knows what type of shit you were processing there.

I had been using NOW brand MCT which is a blend of c8/c10/c12 medium chain fats. I noticed that over two tablespoons brought on nausea and diarrhea. I did some research and found the NOW brand uses solvents in their processing and low end coconuts..ie, those found unsuitable for higher level commercial purposes. In other words, the shittiest feedstocks using solvents for mass production processing.

I learned that the desirable MCTs are the C8 chain, which also has the fewest side effects. You can buy only C8 chain MCT oil, and it is about twice the price. However, I noticed no side effects with the C8 oil. Normally, I take 2 tbsps a day, so one bottle lastys me a month. About a dollar per day.

If you had a fat processing issue, I think it would have manifest before that. I would suggest the C8 chain oil and start off with a drop or two and see how things go.

One table spoon has like 120 calories so it is very potent.
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I had a bad experience with NOW liquid multivitamins. I don't know what it was, but it made me feel bloated and hungry at the same time.

I felt better after I stopped using it--after my body for some reason caused me to drop a new bottle on the floor and it shattered violently. I really felt that was an extreme form of muscle testing and my body telling me NO! in no uncertain terms.
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Most likely not caused by the MCT oil (or contaminants within). anaphylaxis presents usually after 30 minutes from exposure.
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Bullshit! A bad/fatal case almost always occurs within 5-20 minutes.

If it is one that is that bad, your dead in 30 minutes.

Google is your friend.
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I meant within 30 minutes ( like after 30 minutes youd know)
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After and within are two totally different things.

cheers
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Are you,by chance, taking Lisinopril for blood pressure? It has been known to cause this effect suddenly, even in patients who have been taking it for years, happened to my husband and sent him to ICU ...
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I'm so glad you're ok! I went into anaphylactic shock when I was 2 years old. I'm allergic to penicillin and it was prescribed to me for an ear infection, before we knew I was allergic. I hope you find out what caused it for you. Best wishes!

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Glad ur alive and well but eating only protein is not good either you should have vegetables and fruit still berries n shit 2
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the only thing i can think of is that you had some really bad chemicals or toxins stored in your fat cells and once your body started to burn it off for energy it overloaded your liver and it got activated somehow. if a person has eaten bad food their whole lives and then goes low carb or keto then it's one of the worst things to do because the polysaturated fats get burned off and the body can go into shock.
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Bizarre experience yesterday. I nearly died from Anaphylaxic Shock. The Amberlamps and two EMTs got an epi pen into me right as my airway was nearly closed and I was losing consciousness.

The reason I am posting is that I am trying to find out what the trigger was. Scary to be uncertain of the causal agent.

Important facts:

I am 6 feet tall, 51 yo, male, active, but probably 40 pounds overweight. Married, three kids, own my business, work quite a bit and generally feel good. No chronic health issues, zero medications, no known diseases.

Two weeks ago, my younger brother visited from out of town. We had not seen each other for a year or so, and he says “Man, you’ve gotten fat.” Truth hurts, but it can be effective.

Started Keto two days later. A first for me. Almost zero carbs, lots of protein and fats. The first week I missed carbs a lot (bread and pasta are my main poisons of choice), but I stuck it out. Felt okay, just kind of irritable. Lost about 4 pounds.

End of the second week the Keto ‘flu’ hit with a vengeance. My understanding is that this is a sign that the body is making the fundamental transition from burning carbs for energy to burning fat for energy. Nausea, headache, diarrhea, and more. I was grade-A miserable, but two days later it was pretty much over, and when I used a urine test strip, for the first time, I was solidly producing ketones and therefore Ketosis was happening.

That was yesterday morning.

I had farm eggs and sausage for breakfast. Lunch was pot roast from a friend’s grass-raised steer. It felt great to be pretty much over keto flu.

Now, next comes the possible trigger, though it is hard to believe. I picked up some MCT oil a few days ago. It is often used to support ketosis, because it is zero carb, but packed full of healthy fats (Medium Chain Triglycerides). It simply highly refined coconut oil. I eat a lot of regular coconut oil, but never MCT. I mixed about a teaspoon in coffee, and sipped on it after lunch.

4 hours later, feeling normal, suddenly I notice my lips and tongue are swelling. I have not eaten anything for hours, have not been stung or bit that I am aware of, and I am sitting at my desk realizing I am entering Anaphylaxic Shock.

I have no known allergies, so I do not have an epi pen lying around. Very rapidly my arms, legs, and trunk are red and swollen. Sweating profusely. It is getting harder to draw a breath and my vision is getting poor, fast.

We live very rural, and I am home alone. No help.

The farmer who owns the land next to our home & shop just decided to drive to his equipment barn and hook up his bush hog. As I stumble out the front door to call 911, there he was.

He called 911. EMTs show up about 12 minutes later (pretty good for our distance from the hospital). They hit me with an epi, start fluids, put me on oxygen, and get me to the hospital.

They released me a few hours later. I went to sleep about ten and woke up at four a.m. way too happy to be alive to go back to sleep. Frankly I feel pretty good.

What does GLP say? I need to figure out what the trigger was, so I can avoid it…

BTW, I am not a secret agent, a whistle-blower, and I do not have dirt on the Clintons, so I have no reason to think some toxic agent was daubed onto my keyboard by the deep state.
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Thank god you are alive bro!

Allergies are related to liver health. If you were 40lbs over-weight, chances are you have a fatty liver. My advice....get your labs checked and pay special attention to liver values.

Whether your liver values are high or not, I seriously suggest you look into FASTING. Okay, I know it is VERY trending right now but it is your body's natural way of healing itself because every animal on this planet was designed to fast. Simply put, our bodies were made to get us thru periods of feast & famine. And not having elevated liver values in your blood tests doesn't mean you don't still have a fatty liver and fasting is THE absolute best way to empty your liver of fat. Period. End of story.

So when you do fast, just be aware that you will feel like shit for the first 1-2 day and that is because your metabolism will slow down significantly. Do not worry...it is natural and you WILL get thru it. After this period, your metabolism will ramp up significantly and you will have increased energy & alertness you will not have experienced since you were a kid! And this will last for several days until you decide to end your fast.

Now, I won't kid you, you will get hungry during your fast but there is help for that. There are "foods" you can eat that won't promote an insulin response or break your fast. The first and best is Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV). The ACV will aid your liver in breaking down & metabolizing the fat in it....it might sound like hocus pocus but it is not. Take my word for it. ACV will cure your hunger pains and give you energy on a fast like nothing else. What I do, is I buy the pre-made drinks from Bragg and drink like 3 a day to get me thru each day...and it is NOT cheating....and it WORKS. The other thing you can do, is sip bone broth when the hunger gets too bad or you are feeling too tired. The bone broth will not break your fast. Other things that will help is to eat a pickle slice or some sauerkraut...don't gorge but a spear or a couple of ounces of kraut will not break your fast.

When you want to come off the fast, make a point to drink bone broth 3 times daily for the first day. Next day, add steamed broccoli & cauliflower. Then the next time you eat, add in more foods that are known to be gentle on your stomach.

Brother, I am the last person on the planet that you would think could ever have fasted. But I fasted for 12 days this past January and since then have done a 4 day, 7 day and recently a 2 day fast. It is freaking awesome to realize the power of your own body and its healing mechanism! I have lost over 50lbs, have the clarity of mind & energy of a 16yo now and ALL my health problems are GONE. I was type 2 diabetic....that's gone. I had daily heartburn for my entire life....gone. I had chronic nasal congestion....gone. I had bad digestion for years....gone. I now have easily 5 times the energy I used to have while eating easily a quarter of the food I used to consume on a daily basis too....and that's from maintaining with a keto diet...but eating keto only is NOT going to flush the fat from your fatty liver.

Your liver health is key to your overall health and there is nothing better for your liver than fasting. Trust me on this one. Do not be afraid and don't avoid it because it is "trendy" now. Fasting is legit....and trendy for a reason....because it works!

I hope for your sake, you see this and follow this advice. I hope everyone does!


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When people in natural health talk about "toxins" I've always been kind of like hmmm what are these toxins of which you speak. I mean I'm not in denial that we live in a toxic stew but really... I do seem to live a pretty clean life. And yet I was so toxic. And the healthier I tried to be, the more toxic I became.

The vitamin A thing explains this SO WELL

A is a toxin and a vitamin and in order to "live healthy" we take on more and more of it...

(the angels weep)
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I'm allergic to honey.

One cannot even comprehend the irony of this.

The natural community treats allergies with honey. So, when I had allergies, I was given honey. Grew up thinking allergies meant I needed more honey. Every time I had allergies, I'd take honey, thus making them continue on infinitely.

I'd also use honey frequently as a sugar replacement because it was deemed healthier than sugar, and as a person who had to choke down food because of a restricted airway from allergies, I clearly needed more health.

I finally figured it out and for the first time in my life I can eat food without choking it down a half restricted airway.

I finally feel human.
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Food allergies are real. Know people who just eat meat to get relief. So many are allergic to some fruits and vegetables and yes honey and have no idea. Most people aren’t allergic to meat.
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Holy crap that is insane. I passed out from Anaphylactic shock once... not a fun experience was revived after someone picked me out of the road!
 Quoting: Geraldgar


doesn't it hit you right away if you eat something you are allergic too like shell fish or something?
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For me it was something in the ocean. I was surfing and couldn't get my wetsuit off quick enough. Never happened again. Still have no idea what happened.
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
Bizarre experience yesterday. I nearly died from Anaphylaxic Shock. The Amberlamps and two EMTs got an epi pen into me right as my airway was nearly closed and I was losing consciousness.

The reason I am posting is that I am trying to find out what the trigger was. Scary to be uncertain of the causal agent.

Important facts:

I am 6 feet tall, 51 yo, male, active, but probably 40 pounds overweight. Married, three kids, own my business, work quite a bit and generally feel good. No chronic health issues, zero medications, no known diseases.

Two weeks ago, my younger brother visited from out of town. We had not seen each other for a year or so, and he says “Man, you’ve gotten fat.” Truth hurts, but it can be effective.

Started Keto two days later. A first for me. Almost zero carbs, lots of protein and fats. The first week I missed carbs a lot (bread and pasta are my main poisons of choice), but I stuck it out. Felt okay, just kind of irritable. Lost about 4 pounds.

End of the second week the Keto ‘flu’ hit with a vengeance. My understanding is that this is a sign that the body is making the fundamental transition from burning carbs for energy to burning fat for energy. Nausea, headache, diarrhea, and more. I was grade-A miserable, but two days later it was pretty much over, and when I used a urine test strip, for the first time, I was solidly producing ketones and therefore Ketosis was happening.

That was yesterday morning.

I had farm eggs and sausage for breakfast. Lunch was pot roast from a friend’s grass-raised steer. It felt great to be pretty much over keto flu.

Now, next comes the possible trigger, though it is hard to believe. I picked up some MCT oil a few days ago. It is often used to support ketosis, because it is zero carb, but packed full of healthy fats (Medium Chain Triglycerides). It simply highly refined coconut oil. I eat a lot of regular coconut oil, but never MCT. I mixed about a teaspoon in coffee, and sipped on it after lunch.

4 hours later, feeling normal, suddenly I notice my lips and tongue are swelling. I have not eaten anything for hours, have not been stung or bit that I am aware of, and I am sitting at my desk realizing I am entering Anaphylaxic Shock.

I have no known allergies, so I do not have an epi pen lying around. Very rapidly my arms, legs, and trunk are red and swollen. Sweating profusely. It is getting harder to draw a breath and my vision is getting poor, fast.

We live very rural, and I am home alone. No help.

The farmer who owns the land next to our home & shop just decided to drive to his equipment barn and hook up his bush hog. As I stumble out the front door to call 911, there he was.

He called 911. EMTs show up about 12 minutes later (pretty good for our distance from the hospital). They hit me with an epi, start fluids, put me on oxygen, and get me to the hospital.

They released me a few hours later. I went to sleep about ten and woke up at four a.m. way too happy to be alive to go back to sleep. Frankly I feel pretty good.

What does GLP say? I need to figure out what the trigger was, so I can avoid it…

BTW, I am not a secret agent, a whistle-blower, and I do not have dirt on the Clintons, so I have no reason to think some toxic agent was daubed onto my keyboard by the deep state.
 Quoting: Azaziah


glad you are okay. Anaphylaxic Shock is lethal if not handled properly.

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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
I have been doing keto on and off for a few years now and never had any reactions per se. The illness you experienced is likely the stored toxins in the fat being burned off and your system having to deal with the toxicity...not a bad thing, but who knows what type of shit you were processing there.

I had been using NOW brand MCT which is a blend of c8/c10/c12 medium chain fats. I noticed that over two tablespoons brought on nausea and diarrhea. I did some research and found the NOW brand uses solvents in their processing and low end coconuts..ie, those found unsuitable for higher level commercial purposes. In other words, the shittiest feedstocks using solvents for mass production processing.

I learned that the desirable MCTs are the C8 chain, which also has the fewest side effects. You can buy only C8 chain MCT oil, and it is about twice the price. However, I noticed no side effects with the C8 oil. Normally, I take 2 tbsps a day, so one bottle lastys me a month. About a dollar per day.

If you had a fat processing issue, I think it would have manifest before that. I would suggest the C8 chain oil and start off with a drop or two and see how things go.

One table spoon has like 120 calories so it is very potent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8845305


I had a bad experience with NOW liquid multivitamins. I don't know what it was, but it made me feel bloated and hungry at the same time.

I felt better after I stopped using it--after my body for some reason caused me to drop a new bottle on the floor and it shattered violently. I really felt that was an extreme form of muscle testing and my body telling me NO! in no uncertain terms.
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
Not sure about the allergy. But only do diets that are maintainable. If yo can't do a diet for the rest of your life, whats the point?
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OP you should request a prescription for some extra epi-pens from your doctor. Keep one with you at all times--at home, in car, in pocket.
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I don't have any severe allergies but still want to get an epi-pen in case someone in my family or myself ever gets an anaphylactic reaction to a bug bite or something
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
Holy crap that is insane. I passed out from Anaphylactic shock once... not a fun experience was revived after someone picked me out of the road!
 Quoting: Geraldgar


doesn't it hit you right away if you eat something you are allergic too like shell fish or something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76195662


For me it was something in the ocean. I was surfing and couldn't get my wetsuit off quick enough. Never happened again. Still have no idea what happened.
 Quoting: Geraldgar


Wow that's weird. Jellyfish sting or polluted water with something toxic?
Paranoiaaaaa
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I am so glad you were saved! I hope you find out what happened to cause that reaction. Please go see a doctor! hf
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
My money is on ragweed pollen up YO NOSE.
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I'm not saying ragweed, but it has to be an inhaled reaction. My granddaughter is allergic to dairy, egg whites and some animals and the reaction is immediate
 Quoting: Serepta Ann


But I was sitting at my desk, in my shop, doors closed, AC running (middle Tennessee = 95 degrees yesterday). It is where I am sitting right now. I cannot think of how something made it's way in here that was that unusual to my system for me to inhale? I have occupied this space for the last 9 years or so...
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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
i am 45 and 20 years ago had an anaphylatic reaction to something i had no idea i was allergic to

turns out i had an allergic reaction to peanuts even though i had eaten them before with no issues in the past, I didnt recall eating peanuts so something must of had a trace of them in that i had eaten

your body can just change like that apparantly, pollution and shit like that

i would get yourself checked out for allergies mate
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09/18/2019 02:58 PM

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Re: Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock
Are you,by chance, taking Lisinopril for blood pressure? It has been known to cause this effect suddenly, even in patients who have been taking it for years, happened to my husband and sent him to ICU ...
 Quoting: Skyewatch


No. No drugs at all. No medications.





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