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I led a life that didn't fit the generation in which it was being lived, and I've come to realize how different my perspective is because of it, and how it only takes one generation for people to stop responding to things that should probably deeply concern them.

You see, while most people were done fighting the Nazis in the 1940s, I had the shit luck of starting this life more than three decades later in a country that was just then finally killing off its Jewish and other unlikables. They were a little late to the game. Everyone else had already stopped playing or was only giving 1/10th of the effort.

So, I ended up as a survivor of genocide an entire generation behind the others. It does do something to the psyche. In the pits of despair that it was, something as simple as someone pouring you a glass of apple juice becomes this clear and beautiful sign of the good and humanity that is in the world. It also leaves you realizing just how close to death and danger we really are.

Both sides of that very vast and wide range of human nature are impossible to forget once experienced.

Seeing as they were essentially Nazis, in the literal sense of the word (not the current BS meaning), it's not surprising that I was handed over to someone who shared their beliefs. In fact, that was written into their doctrine - they chose to give the kids to people who could raise them as the regime thought was appropriate, to see if we could be redeemed and utilized (and killing babies was really bad optics, even in that situation).

So, I ended up living with someone who took advantage of me, took advantage of a government position, took advantage of society - because they shared oppressive beliefs and thus saw no value in any of us.

Their own family had come to the United States as war criminals escaping persecution after WW2 in exchange for working on the behalf of the United States to share their knowledge and expertise, presumably to make the US more formidable. I was in the hands of - quite literally - Nazis. And worse, the family were government-employed scientists and politicians. There's no worse combination on this planet.

What I saw while living with them, what I saw them do to people, was very much in line with the science and politics they had displayed in war.

But I was living in a generation that was no longer so acutely aware, who had not been recent victims, who thought the war was over, who had a chance to look away and forget. Despite sharing the same space with them, I didn't have that privilege.

I sat there and watched my new family commit human rights violation after human rights violation, crime after crime, on US soil and abroad, hidden in plain sight in a country that was relaxed and in denial of danger enough to let it go on right under their noses.

I felt like I was still a prisoner, like a WW2 victim who had never left the concentration camp. The only difference was that the world around me was no longer aware. They continued to live their lives as the people I was with mainstreamed and normalized what had once been hidden behind barbed wire and tall concrete walls.

I could have screamed from the top of the tallest building and not been heard, because I was one of so very few in this generation with the acute awareness and knowledge that come with having experienced that beast firsthand, undiluted, and without the option of denial that comes with having only experienced relative safety.

This is one of the key factors behind why history repeats itself on such a regular basis. When the time is ripe for destruction, there are too few left alive from the previous cycle to remember and stop it. History books are great, but they cannot replace experience.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/25/2019 09:28 AM
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Two one stars? If someone else's story hurts your ego that much, you're kinda a pathetic human.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Two one stars? If someone else's story hurts your ego that much, you're kinda a pathetic human.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Make that three whatever
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Two one stars? If someone else's story hurts your ego that much, you're kinda a pathetic human.
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Your German hating fantasies are beyond disgusting.
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Two one stars? If someone else's story hurts your ego that much, you're kinda a pathetic human.
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Your German hating fantasies are beyond disgusting.
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Idol1bump Well saidstoner
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Thank you for your insight,,,

God bless you,,,


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Two one stars? If someone else's story hurts your ego that much, you're kinda a pathetic human.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Your German hating fantasies are beyond disgusting.
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I was in Argentina during their genocide.

And one of the scientists in my adoptive family facing war crimes back in Europe was an Italian working for the Axis.

Just because you victimize someone does not mean you get to scream "racist" every time they point it out.

Now, you're an asshole, so yes, feel free to apply it to whatever country you might be from. I assume it's Germany based on your screeching about it.

However, at some point, you're going to have to stop blaming your country and realize you're just an asshole.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/25/2019 10:16 AM
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Thanks OP, the one stars are often
search index markers. I gave ya five.
Curious as to the nature of the crimes.
Evil follows no boundaries or rules,
except it is required to announce its
actions first. Please continue...

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They are using me as a lab rat for their Nazi tech. They can do horrific things to us from a distance.
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Hasn't this been fairly well documented? Things like operation paper clip and such. Some even speculate the Nazis didn't really lose, they simply relocated after transferring all of their assets out of the country before the conclusion of the war.

So OP, what types of crimes did you witness here in the states?
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You either have a really eventful life or you suffer from walter mitty syndrome. Cia spy, satanice abuse victim, persecuted NOPE....
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You either have a very eventful life or auffer from walter mitty syndrome. Cia spy, satanic abuse child victim, persecuted juue.....
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You either have a very eventful life or auffer from walter mitty syndrome. Cia spy, satanic abuse child victim, persecuted juue.....
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lol

call 'em goo
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Googoo for gaga
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Hasn't this been fairly well documented? Things like operation paper clip and such. Some even speculate the Nazis didn't really lose, they simply relocated after transferring all of their assets out of the country before the conclusion of the war.

So OP, what types of crimes did you witness here in the states?
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Yeah. Most of this stuff has been documented.

As for what I saw in person, one example:

I was dragged along for the sciences, so I saw an impoverished neighborhood used a lab for DoD funded medical research by a nearby university. The "participants" were not informed that they were research subjects. They thought they were being helped be a medical outreach program from the university. The resulting death rate was high.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/25/2019 02:53 PM
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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No one cares about your j.ew opinion. Quit kvetching about what was real in your mind like a soyboy retard and go find something else to do.

The world is quickly waking up to all the crimes of your people. 359 times..entire nations had to expell your tribe.

When everyone goes full circle it won't be pretty.
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You seem to have a lot of anger. You can't silence everyone by name calling, but thanks for participating.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Thanks OP, the one stars are often
search index markers. I gave ya five.
Curious as to the nature of the crimes.
Evil follows no boundaries or rules,
except it is required to announce its
actions first. Please continue...
 Quoting: hillbilly




As mentioned above, I've seen impoverished neighborhoods used as lab rats for well funded programs not requiring ethics approval because they were DoD funded. The populations were chosen because they couldn't fight even if they figured it out, and they weren't valued in society.

I've also seen political prisoners used as lab rats for many of the same reasons.

And children of the poor.

Etc.

I think we've all seen some of the rest.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/25/2019 03:16 PM
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You either have a very eventful life or auffer from walter mitty syndrome. Cia spy, satanic abuse child victim, persecuted juue.....
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If you are a child of good Catholic parents, then you get to be in choir, you get to be involved in church rituals, and you get to have been born to them.

It seems you actually have a life of many parts, not just one, but they have a common thread - that you were raised by good Catholic parents, yes?

Now, let's say you weren't raised by good Catholic parents.

Could you have more than one experience in your life, also?
Instead of choir - could you have been dragged along to help them pass as a family while they were exploiting other families? Instead of church rituals - could they have maybe been mean to you instead? And instead of being born to them, do you think adoption could have been a possibility.

The thing is, life is not just a single experience. We go down a path. If we start on a good path, then many good things happen.

If we start on a bad path, then many bad things happen.

So, yes, it is normal for someone who has experienced one bad day to experience two, or even three bad days. Maybe even more.

Does that make sense, hun?
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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you sound like a cuck

grow a pair
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I'm a woman. If you are going to insult me, please choose slightly more on target trolling.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Hasn't this been fairly well documented? Things like operation paper clip and such. Some even speculate the Nazis didn't really lose, they simply relocated after transferring all of their assets out of the country before the conclusion of the war.

So OP, what types of crimes did you witness here in the states?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Oh, were we go..

Is OP now going to tell us how NAZIs actually won the war and are ruling the world to this day, especially the US, and how they're pulling the strings of all the goos who are occupying every single position of power (in media, politics, finance, academia, ..)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78110613


It's not a secret that concessions were made and that the war did not end with 100% success.

Are you hoping to use that as some sort of discrediting because you think we all live in a post-war peacetime happy fun land?
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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TL:DR
Articles and "news" from liberal media shall now be known as catnip for libtards.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

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A very well thought through post, spoken from experience.
Until your military service has required you neutralize enemy combatants and invaders in the defense of your country,
don't presume to tell us that have defended you that you don't support every shot we fired to eliminate that enemy.
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No, I know the war never ended.

(got banned by one the braindead mods)
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Oh, I see now. Get fucked, cunt.
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scratching

Well, I see how you got banned, anyway.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Thank you for your insight,,,

God bless you,,,


t y
 Quoting: Arnie


A very well thought through post, spoken from experience.
 Quoting: Louis in Richmond


Thanks hf
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Meds

Get them take them
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Meds

Get them take them
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Thanks for showing us an example of what someone who has never experienced anything outside of their own generational box looks like.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Hasn't this been fairly well documented? Things like operation paper clip and such. Some even speculate the Nazis didn't really lose, they simply relocated after transferring all of their assets out of the country before the conclusion of the war.

So OP, what types of crimes did you witness here in the states?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Yeah. Most of this stuff has been documented.

As for what I saw in person, one example:

I was dragged along for the sciences, so I saw an impoverished neighborhood used a lab for DoD funded medical research by a nearby university. The "participants" were not informed that they were research subjects. They thought they were being helped be a medical outreach program from the university. The resulting death rate was high.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Have you ever listened or read about Joseph P. Farrell's work on the Nazi's? If so, do you think he had some good insights? I really enjoyed his ideas on how they had superior technology that wasn't based on Einstein or Newtonian physics.

Did you see or were exposed to any of this different technology?
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Hasn't this been fairly well documented? Things like operation paper clip and such. Some even speculate the Nazis didn't really lose, they simply relocated after transferring all of their assets out of the country before the conclusion of the war.

So OP, what types of crimes did you witness here in the states?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Yeah. Most of this stuff has been documented.

As for what I saw in person, one example:

I was dragged along for the sciences, so I saw an impoverished neighborhood used a lab for DoD funded medical research by a nearby university. The "participants" were not informed that they were research subjects. They thought they were being helped be a medical outreach program from the university. The resulting death rate was high.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Have you ever listened or read about Joseph P. Farrell's work on the Nazi's? If so, do you think he had some good insights? I really enjoyed his ideas on how they had superior technology that wasn't based on Einstein or Newtonian physics.

Did you see or were exposed to any of this different technology?
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Nah, I haven't seen any advanced science, other than medical equipment that was still in testing but would be in common use a few decades later.

Mostly, what I saw was them fucking up. And, don't get me wrong, I know a lot of science is about screwing up. It might take 200 tries before getting close to anything usable. It's just painful to watch when the subject is a human who didn't ask to be there or who has been lied to and is told they're being treated for a separate medical condition.

It was also really surreal to realize there was testing going on..on an entire neighborhood in one case, in a "day and age when we no longer do those unethical things of the past."

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/25/2019 03:46 PM
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Hasn't this been fairly well documented? Things like operation paper clip and such. Some even speculate the Nazis didn't really lose, they simply relocated after transferring all of their assets out of the country before the conclusion of the war.

So OP, what types of crimes did you witness here in the states?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Yeah. Most of this stuff has been documented.

As for what I saw in person, one example:

I was dragged along for the sciences, so I saw an impoverished neighborhood used a lab for DoD funded medical research by a nearby university. The "participants" were not informed that they were research subjects. They thought they were being helped be a medical outreach program from the university. The resulting death rate was high.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Have you ever listened or read about Joseph P. Farrell's work on the Nazi's? If so, do you think he had some good insights? I really enjoyed his ideas on how they had superior technology that wasn't based on Einstein or Newtonian physics.

Did you see or were exposed to any of this different technology?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Nah, I haven't seen any advanced science, other than medical equipment that was still in testing but would be in common use a few decades later.

Mostly, what I saw was them fucking up. And, don't get me wrong, I know a lot of science is about screwing up. It might take 200 tries before getting close to anything usable. It's just painful to watch when the subject is a human who didn't ask to be there or who has been lied to and is told they're being treated for a separate medical condition.

It was also really surreal to realize there was testing going on..on an entire neighborhood.
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My apologizes OP, I guess from your point of view, this subject has a completely different impact. My excitement was misplaced.

So, how the heck did you make it out with your sanity? Was any of it good? Will you be able to make peace with the memories?
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First, I wish to thank you for this heart-felt and very
personal account of what you have endured in your life,
your perspective and your "philosophy of experience" gained
from growing up in the midst of severe trauma.

I am encouraged by what appears in your writing as your
personal resilience to survive against all odds. That you
were ALSO traumatized emotionally during "peace time" as
you were in "war time" doesn't negate the quantitative
effects on your psyche and that shouldn't be discounted
by anyone (though trolls will always hop on this kind of
a thread.)

I am not sure if you are familiar, OP, with any of the
writings or videos of the wonderful teacher, Eckhart Tolle.
He is the author of "The Power of Now" (which attempts to
help us take our focus off--but NOT forgetting--the PAST
as well as off--but not negating its anticipation--the
FUTURE.) Both the past and the future are always present
with us in the NOW...but they become less important as one
learns the important difference in just "being present."

Tolle also explains something he calls "...the PAIN BODY."

There is a personal "pain body"--a type of phantom energy
which collects all the bad experiences of one's own life
and "bundles" that energy in a kind of "alternate personality"
which can bubble to the surface in times of stress or
challenge. Likewise, there is ALSO A COLLECTIVE PAIN BODY
that contains the "bundled negative energies" endured by
one's ancestors and by the collective unconscious of all
human beings. (Even Immanuel Velikovsky talks about this
collective state in some of his interviews but his focus
is on great global catastrophe which we all carry from
birth.)

I think if you look into some of Eckhart Tolle's insights
it could help a great deal...It helped me. Below is a
video from Eckhart Tolle as he discusses the "PAIN BODY"
and as he attempts to help put this in perspective.


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FairUSE
6 Minute duration.

PART 2:

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FairUSE
8 Minute duration.

Hope this helps you on your journey to find peace.
You are a brave soul. Thanks for sharing your story.

hf
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