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Challenge to atheists and evolutionists to find 3 things *Challenge is now open to all*

 
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Disprove that the purpose of anything named is to be named and talked about. Start with something.

I have a feeling you debate philosophy at bars.
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You just committed a logical fallacy called 'shifting the burden of proof.'

I'll gladly admit I can't disprove that. I also can't disprove that bigfoot is eating spaghetti on the dark side of the moon. Does that mean it's true? No.

If you're claiming it is true, then it's your burden to prove it. Without evidence either way, you have no logical justification to accept that everything was made for a purpose.
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I asked you to find evidence of 3 things. You did, but now say you can't and act like you won't. I challenged you, you did not challenge me. The burden of proof is on you. I already presuppose everything to have a purpose, assert nothing is truly random, and nothing happens by chance, not even the existence of the universe. If you disagree, show some evidence. I cannot find evidence to disprove my presuppositions, maybe you can. Not sure how you how thought you could turn my challenge against me, oh wait, your reasoning is still illogical, NOW that still makes sense.
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Ok, I see the game you're playing. Beg the question/shift the burden of proof.

I have no reason to think that every oil stain is placed there intentionally by God for a purpose. But I can't disprove that. You can't prove it has a purpose, you can't disprove that it has no purpose. But you presuppose it. Just because.

In this scenario, one of us believes something without a reason, and it's not me.

I can show you things that are random by the dictionary definition, or the product of chance, but I will agree that the outcome is determined by natural laws and a chain of cause and effect. Some Quantum phenomena does appear to be truly 'random', without any detectable cause, but it's possible there are causes outside of human perception.

Congratulations. I can never answer your challenge to your satisfaction. Even if something truly was created without a purpose, and I showed it to you, I could never disprove your presupposition. This is what scientists call an unjustifiable hypothesis.

You're still not one step closer to providing evidence for your god.
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I challenged you, but thanks for the nice post.

I proved every oil stain has a purpose by declaring it is to be talked about here and now. A purpose does not have to be tangible. Now, am I being reasonable or unreasonable?

I don't believe anything without reason, why say that I do?

It's not about answering my challenge to my satisfaction. Truth is truth and logical people should come to the same conclusion, that talking about something automatically, at the least, is it's apparent purpose. And even if no one existed everything would still have purpose. Even in God where infiniteness exists I believe this, everything has purpose.

I'm sorry that you saw this challenge as a challenge to my "ego" or "arrogance" or "superiority". How different would you feel if I challenged you to solve a complex math problem? Would you think I was being arrogant? Not everything is a competition.

Chill out and exercise your brain by thinking deeper about things. If it hurts your brain then know that I am not the one hurting your brain. Lighten up.

I have proof of God. In fact, this thread is me sharing evidence of my God. Although you have found it you don't recognize it, like finding a bone not knowing what it is or what it goes to or if it goes to a skeleton then which part. Seek evidence of God. When you find enough then theorize the logical conclusion and accept it as truth, like evolutionary theorists and scientists do, without proof. They find comfort in accepting what cannot ever be proven as truth.
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R3D___ jumped ship.
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A sub particle is the source.
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Find evidence of something without purpose

Find something that is random (chaos)

Find evidence of something happening by chance



The universe could not have come into existence by random chance and there not be evidence of anything else random, by chance, and/or without purpose.

Everything is bound by the laws of physics and could be understood mathematically. Through cause and effect everything is logical and makes sense even if we don't have all the information yet.

What signs of a randomly created universe should look like:


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The evidence is all around you. That life has achieved what it has in the face of the harsh and indifferent universe and constant entropy is remarkable. Give life a pat on the back. No God need be involved.
Just don't make anything up.
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All I can tell you all is, every friggin driver in Atlanta exists to piss the others off! It’s purposeful, random and chaotic&#128563;
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You can't be that stupid. Evolution is not a athiest belief. It's the god thing they pass on. If you can disprove evolution, how does that make a god the answer? Let me help, it doesnt. Evolution is the theory about how we evolved. It does not make claims to anything prior. Thiests make claims to how life began via some supernatural it. Athiests say I dont know.If god didn't do it who did? Is an argument of ignorance.
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OP is a Satanist like most/nearly all/basically all/ virtually every Christian

Satan is the God of Order. Order is slow motion. Order is time. Order is stagnation order is idleness, order is zero thermal output, order is data conforming to the path of least resistance for recording machine.

Entropy is the return to omnipresence. Order is synonamous with a prison cell. You pastor sucking choir fucking pregame church ticket idiots need to stop paying fucking games and quit dragging out OUR hell with YOUR stupidity: You worship Satan because your too fucking dumb.
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Order of the day--no more whisky for you--get out!
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conversely the bible is an axiomatic self proving machine by proving itself to be the word of god...written by humans...still, it makes more sense than ebolooshun
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You can't be that stupid. Evolution is not a athiest belief. It's the god thing they pass on. If you can disprove evolution, how does that make a god the answer? Let me help, it doesnt. Evolution is the theory about how we evolved. It does not make claims to anything prior. Thiests make claims to how life began via some supernatural it. Athiests say I dont know.If god didn't do it who did? Is an argument of ignorance.
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umm,..shall i? ok, evolution requires atheism, they march lock step as one, "i don't know" is agnosticism or more precisely, "yet to be proven". evolution requires the non existence of an intelligent designer, that is to say, no god, it designed it by itself, now doesn't that sound insane
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You can't be that stupid. Evolution is not a athiest belief. It's the god thing they pass on. If you can disprove evolution, how does that make a god the answer? Let me help, it doesnt. Evolution is the theory about how we evolved. It does not make claims to anything prior. Thiests make claims to how life began via some supernatural it. Athiests say I dont know.If god didn't do it who did? Is an argument of ignorance.
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umm,..shall i? ok, evolution requires atheism, they march lock step as one, "i don't know" is agnosticism or more precisely, "yet to be proven". evolution requires the non existence of an intelligent designer, that is to say, no god, it designed it by itself, now doesn't that sound insane
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Nonsense. This website was created by Christians who accept the scientific consensus regarding evolution and the age of the Earth:

[link to biologos.org (secure)]
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You just committed a logical fallacy called 'shifting the burden of proof.'

I'll gladly admit I can't disprove that. I also can't disprove that bigfoot is eating spaghetti on the dark side of the moon. Does that mean it's true? No.

If you're claiming it is true, then it's your burden to prove it. Without evidence either way, you have no logical justification to accept that everything was made for a purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78225484


I asked you to find evidence of 3 things. You did, but now say you can't and act like you won't. I challenged you, you did not challenge me. The burden of proof is on you. I already presuppose everything to have a purpose, assert nothing is truly random, and nothing happens by chance, not even the existence of the universe. If you disagree, show some evidence. I cannot find evidence to disprove my presuppositions, maybe you can. Not sure how you how thought you could turn my challenge against me, oh wait, your reasoning is still illogical, NOW that still makes sense.
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Ok, I see the game you're playing. Beg the question/shift the burden of proof.

I have no reason to think that every oil stain is placed there intentionally by God for a purpose. But I can't disprove that. You can't prove it has a purpose, you can't disprove that it has no purpose. But you presuppose it. Just because.

In this scenario, one of us believes something without a reason, and it's not me.

I can show you things that are random by the dictionary definition, or the product of chance, but I will agree that the outcome is determined by natural laws and a chain of cause and effect. Some Quantum phenomena does appear to be truly 'random', without any detectable cause, but it's possible there are causes outside of human perception.

Congratulations. I can never answer your challenge to your satisfaction. Even if something truly was created without a purpose, and I showed it to you, I could never disprove your presupposition. This is what scientists call an unjustifiable hypothesis.

You're still not one step closer to providing evidence for your god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78225484


I challenged you, but thanks for the nice post.

I proved every oil stain has a purpose by declaring it is to be talked about here and now. A purpose does not have to be tangible. Now, am I being reasonable or unreasonable?

I don't believe anything without reason, why say that I do?

It's not about answering my challenge to my satisfaction. Truth is truth and logical people should come to the same conclusion, that talking about something automatically, at the least, is it's apparent purpose. And even if no one existed everything would still have purpose. Even in God where infiniteness exists I believe this, everything has purpose.

I'm sorry that you saw this challenge as a challenge to my "ego" or "arrogance" or "superiority". How different would you feel if I challenged you to solve a complex math problem? Would you think I was being arrogant? Not everything is a competition.

Chill out and exercise your brain by thinking deeper about things. If it hurts your brain then know that I am not the one hurting your brain. Lighten up.

I have proof of God. In fact, this thread is me sharing evidence of my God. Although you have found it you don't recognize it, like finding a bone not knowing what it is or what it goes to or if it goes to a skeleton then which part. Seek evidence of God. When you find enough then theorize the logical conclusion and accept it as truth, like evolutionary theorists and scientists do, without proof. They find comfort in accepting what cannot ever be proven as truth.
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Declaring something to be true is not proof. Surely you understand this.
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You can't be that stupid. Evolution is not a athiest belief. It's the god thing they pass on. If you can disprove evolution, how does that make a god the answer? Let me help, it doesnt. Evolution is the theory about how we evolved. It does not make claims to anything prior. Thiests make claims to how life began via some supernatural it. Athiests say I dont know.If god didn't do it who did? Is an argument of ignorance.
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I was not making them equal, but in a way they do relate.
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I asked you to find evidence of 3 things. You did, but now say you can't and act like you won't. I challenged you, you did not challenge me. The burden of proof is on you. I already presuppose everything to have a purpose, assert nothing is truly random, and nothing happens by chance, not even the existence of the universe. If you disagree, show some evidence. I cannot find evidence to disprove my presuppositions, maybe you can. Not sure how you how thought you could turn my challenge against me, oh wait, your reasoning is still illogical, NOW that still makes sense.
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Ok, I see the game you're playing. Beg the question/shift the burden of proof.

I have no reason to think that every oil stain is placed there intentionally by God for a purpose. But I can't disprove that. You can't prove it has a purpose, you can't disprove that it has no purpose. But you presuppose it. Just because.

In this scenario, one of us believes something without a reason, and it's not me.

I can show you things that are random by the dictionary definition, or the product of chance, but I will agree that the outcome is determined by natural laws and a chain of cause and effect. Some Quantum phenomena does appear to be truly 'random', without any detectable cause, but it's possible there are causes outside of human perception.

Congratulations. I can never answer your challenge to your satisfaction. Even if something truly was created without a purpose, and I showed it to you, I could never disprove your presupposition. This is what scientists call an unjustifiable hypothesis.

You're still not one step closer to providing evidence for your god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78225484


I challenged you, but thanks for the nice post.

I proved every oil stain has a purpose by declaring it is to be talked about here and now. A purpose does not have to be tangible. Now, am I being reasonable or unreasonable?

I don't believe anything without reason, why say that I do?

It's not about answering my challenge to my satisfaction. Truth is truth and logical people should come to the same conclusion, that talking about something automatically, at the least, is it's apparent purpose. And even if no one existed everything would still have purpose. Even in God where infiniteness exists I believe this, everything has purpose.

I'm sorry that you saw this challenge as a challenge to my "ego" or "arrogance" or "superiority". How different would you feel if I challenged you to solve a complex math problem? Would you think I was being arrogant? Not everything is a competition.

Chill out and exercise your brain by thinking deeper about things. If it hurts your brain then know that I am not the one hurting your brain. Lighten up.

I have proof of God. In fact, this thread is me sharing evidence of my God. Although you have found it you don't recognize it, like finding a bone not knowing what it is or what it goes to or if it goes to a skeleton then which part. Seek evidence of God. When you find enough then theorize the logical conclusion and accept it as truth, like evolutionary theorists and scientists do, without proof. They find comfort in accepting what cannot ever be proven as truth.
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Declaring something to be true is not proof. Surely you understand this.
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I know there's no proof of evolution.
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Ok, I see the game you're playing. Beg the question/shift the burden of proof.

I have no reason to think that every oil stain is placed there intentionally by God for a purpose. But I can't disprove that. You can't prove it has a purpose, you can't disprove that it has no purpose. But you presuppose it. Just because.

In this scenario, one of us believes something without a reason, and it's not me.

I can show you things that are random by the dictionary definition, or the product of chance, but I will agree that the outcome is determined by natural laws and a chain of cause and effect. Some Quantum phenomena does appear to be truly 'random', without any detectable cause, but it's possible there are causes outside of human perception.

Congratulations. I can never answer your challenge to your satisfaction. Even if something truly was created without a purpose, and I showed it to you, I could never disprove your presupposition. This is what scientists call an unjustifiable hypothesis.

You're still not one step closer to providing evidence for your god.
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I challenged you, but thanks for the nice post.

I proved every oil stain has a purpose by declaring it is to be talked about here and now. A purpose does not have to be tangible. Now, am I being reasonable or unreasonable?

I don't believe anything without reason, why say that I do?

It's not about answering my challenge to my satisfaction. Truth is truth and logical people should come to the same conclusion, that talking about something automatically, at the least, is it's apparent purpose. And even if no one existed everything would still have purpose. Even in God where infiniteness exists I believe this, everything has purpose.

I'm sorry that you saw this challenge as a challenge to my "ego" or "arrogance" or "superiority". How different would you feel if I challenged you to solve a complex math problem? Would you think I was being arrogant? Not everything is a competition.

Chill out and exercise your brain by thinking deeper about things. If it hurts your brain then know that I am not the one hurting your brain. Lighten up.

I have proof of God. In fact, this thread is me sharing evidence of my God. Although you have found it you don't recognize it, like finding a bone not knowing what it is or what it goes to or if it goes to a skeleton then which part. Seek evidence of God. When you find enough then theorize the logical conclusion and accept it as truth, like evolutionary theorists and scientists do, without proof. They find comfort in accepting what cannot ever be proven as truth.
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Declaring something to be true is not proof. Surely you understand this.
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I know there's no proof of evolution.
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I think you mean 'presuppose'. Evolution is directly observable in the present. Science is not absolute, but we can devise tests to determine what likely occurred in the past.





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