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Hardly. Are you from a Russian farm?

This is the only time I will reply but your diatribe is outdated.

Nobody in the almost 8 billion people would like to draw the short stick and get the virus. The virus has proven to have lasting damages on anyone who has caught it whether they survive it---or not.

I'm not a lockdown forever supporter but seeing how "prepared" the US is/was, I'm choosing to stay within the necessary precautions to stay alert and prepared.

Sounds to me you are putting too much faith on the readiness of the gov as a whole. Good luck with that.

What is his call is to come up with a comprehensive strategy. To LEAD. And he is not. We will be competing with Brazil in a brutal death rate.

Agree. I've moved on from the Trump politics and agenda. It's all white noise to me now.

I'm worried of the havoc to come. Staying focused on surviving the economic fall out as well as the deaths this pandemic will claim.

I hope my family can weather the perfect storm that is to come. Best wishes to all of us.

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WARPED KILLER Fears new coronavirus outbreak in China is mutant strain as sufferers hit worse than ever in re-locked-down cities

A CORONAVIRUS expert fears a mystery new outbreak hitting China is a mutant strain of the deadly bug that leaves sufferers sick for even longer.

Worryingly, the strain is behaving differently in patients in northeast China where five million people across two cities are virtually sealed off following spiralling new infections.

He didn't opted for it.

It's the ONLY WAY to deal with the second wave.


Back at the start of the pandemic, I argued in favor of shutting down all international and national transport, as the best way to slow the spread of the virus.


The lock-downs were forced because what should have been done much earlier, wasn't done. Things were already out of control, and lock-downs were the only way.


Most countries will not have a nation-wide lock-down in the second wave, unless the second wave is to big and things go out of control.


They will opt for localized lock-downs and quarantines, at factory level, city level and county level, at most, paired with travel restrictions and other NPI measures.


I am not sure if the economy will be able to function, when RANDOM areas and businesses will close down for a week or two, but I am sure that the economy won't survive a second round of nation-wide lock-downs.


So, it is a bet that we, as a society, are taking it : hope to save the economy, with localized lock-downs, IF the second wave is not too big.


If it is big enough that we don't have another option but lock-down everything again...well, God help us.


But we have to try without nation-wide lock-downs.


We just HAVE TO.

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what the flying hell, you copied and pasted that right? If not, you have got your head buried so deep in sand it's remarkable

Totally with you!!!!!

What exactly don't you agree with? Looks like the OP just came around to the idea that life must go on. Meanwhile, you are still hiding under your bed.

The OP was always with the idea that life must go on.


I never said or implied that the world is going to end, just that there is a chance that society will break down, and if really unlucky, will take generations to rebuild.


But, still, you were far more unrealistic, coming up with 99.99% survival rate of those under 50 and healthy.


If this virus would infect only the healthy and under 50, yeah, you'd be right.


But it doesn't. It infects anyone who is exposed, and tbh, less then 1% of the population is under 50 AND healthy.


A moot point.

I have been following ops post for a while and now I am convinced that he is full of horse patooie.

He has been saying that we NEEDED bigger and better lockdowns, and now he is saying that he has always said the opposite.

Also...recently, he said that if the virus wasnt surging and terrible come mid-June that he would eat his left arm.

Now he is saying that the second wave may not be that bad at all.

He needs to admit he was wrong and move on.

Hard to do when his brilliance and total self-confidence has attracted a lot of acolytes, including me in the beginning. Now not so much.

Before I ban you, when I said that we need better and bigger lock-downs, that was said BECAUSE the lock-downs become inevitable, since what SHOULD have been done (and that was just a full stop of traveling, no lock-downs) wasn't done in time.


The lock-downs SHOULD have been bigger and harsher, and if they WOULD have done it so, they would have been SHORTER. Sure, more "painful" (like sitting indoors is painful), but they would have been shorter.


Now, since even if you are banned, you can still read, go through the thread and see WHEN and WHY I argued for harsher lock-downs, and you will see that it was AFTER the lock-downs started.


Fucking idiot, can't even read and understand simple locgic.

Banned for the same reason I banned the AC.


Inability to read and understand simple logic.

If Trump would have shut down all flights instead of just flights from China, we would not have thousands dead.

The point is that as soon as the worlds nations knew what was happening then those countries should have isolated themselves by stopping any entry, locking down the population and testing/tracing/isolating any infections. Then like NZ they would have saved many deaths. Obviously the problem is then opening up again as it is still in the wider world?

Now the situation is out of control. Borders still semi open for many countries and full lockdowns never implemented. Partial ones too late. So the virus is rampant in the population. People won't go through multiple lengthy lockdowns time after time so they will allow the second wave to rip through the population with maybe some restrictions to limit the increased capacity being overloaded completely.

Once its run its course we will have to live with a new enemy as it mutates like its cousin the common cold.



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Banning ppl who disagree without a valid reason is obvious right. These ppl who disagree need to present valid arguments.

IMHO: Strict locksdowns (across all age groups) are worth it for an enemy that comes and goes. This is, unfortunately, not that type of enemy. Delaying infections by destroying economies and livelihoods, at best, eases pressure on the medical system. This is helpful during a first wave to get a sense of what society is up against and to be better prepared going forward. But, overall, what we've done is a major net negative with each passing week.

It's sort of like how governments dealt with the financial collapse in 2008. They made things worse.

Even if things go relatively well from here on out... we will have lost more people from lockdowns than the virus itself.

And, if the world loses confidence in the USD, literally hundreds of millions more will die. This is looking more likely.

Philosophically speaking, society is also a virus and COVID-19 is no match for us. But we mishandled this with hysteria and we are suffering big time. The OP warned that many will die indirectly and that taking place in a major way (unreported just as he said).

Not to sound like a eugenicist but the virus is only taking or harming those who can't fight back against it. Natural selection is part of life however tragic for each family.

Of course, it could be there is bombshell information concerning this virus that they aren't telling us about. That may explain the ridiculous way it's been handled.

I hear you. However, he is NOT urging people to use caution. He is not recommending we refrain from any non-commercial gatherings. No one NEEDS to go to church. God is everywhere. Right? He has not proposed any national strategy for contact tracing, any efforts for the US to come up with our own PPE producing manufacturing.

What he is opting for is let it opon because we are so screwed, but he is offering no simultaneous message of caution. He is really saying, "It is all over, go on out and enjoy yourselves. Live it up.' THAT is throwing the country under the bus. The CDC is gone from any public presence. We are on our own.

I am trying to weigh out how to prepare. I have my garden going. I can expand it. I live on 20 acres, fairly secluded so I have a lot of built in safety and security needs. But I am trying to figure out how to go beyond this. I have a lot of food, so I mean beyond food and necessities storage.

I guess you are unaware of what is happening in Brazil? Stop using your own little narrow world as the only reality with which to interpret this pandemic.

What is wrong with you people? Are you not aware that there is a huge world where in other parts, it is a total disaster?

You are clearly not aware of the thousands of people who are STILL suffering, weeks and months later. You should join some of the many COVID groups to hear what people are suffering from. And these thousands are just the people who join a site. How many others are out there, with now chronic symptoms? The Navajo Nation is being hit harder per capita than New York City. This is not natural selection. This is most likely, a bioweapon. I will never not believe it's not.

There is strange thing I have been noticing for the past weeks. For the whole duration of the lockdown in china, in the months of february, march and april, live webcams from wuhan and other chinese cities had always been online. Now there is not one single webcam active anywhere, except Beijing, Hong Kong and Macao. The webcams from Hong Kong and Beijing are not in high definition and are from a certain distance. The only close up cams I got are from Macao and those are
in low resolution too. Other cities are not available anymore. In my opinion this can only mean that they are trying to hide any trouble inside those cities and provinces either because of new lockdowns, or because of civil unrest. Did anyone find other live webcams from china?

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The #CCP is ordering large amounts of medical supplies from Chinese manufacturers, arousing fears the country is preparing for a second wave of the #CCPvirus.

Second #Outbreak: 3 Major Differences

I didn't banned people for disagreeing with me.


I banned people for inventing stuff that I didn't said, and present it like I did, and based on that invented stuff, they disagreed with me.


Quite different.

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The virus was coming to New York by flights from Europe.

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I find it interesting that many officials are accepting the idea of a “second wave” but yet none have announced plans as to how the public should prepare or what actions they will take to mitigate. Additionally, I only see the closing of temporary facilities and nothing additional being built out in preparation.

The one exception being China seizing control of medical supply companies. Yet the lines for testing in Wuhan seem to be throwing caution to the wind.

China Seizures:
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81% Of Canadian COVID Deaths Are In Nursing Homes

"The fear narrative is rapidly collapsing as real data and evidence comes flowing in – which shows that the overwhelming majority of public were never at any serious risk of dying from COVID-19..."

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The problem never was that all humanity was going to die because of this virus. The problem was national health systemss being overwlemed by the number of peopl who needed ICU and that would have caused and would cause the collapse of society as we know it.