When was jesus created by the father?

Now that is a pretty dark theory. What are your thoughts on those that have NDE's and what they experience?

I will continue to spell G-d as a chose based on tradition of my peoples, but thank you for your continued ignorance.

JC certainly wasn't in the OT when you actually read it. What you believe is in contrast to what G-d gave in his Torah. The same Torah that he stated was eternal, perfect, and to be kept by each man. G-d also explained that he isn't a man, a man can't die for anothers sins, and human sacrifice his abhorrent. But thank you for your link to twisted scripture.

I don't need your links because I have the bible in front of me.

please don't mistake me for a christian.... I am not. I was for most of my life, then became a messi and entrenched in the law, then started questioning the whole bible itself due to all of the inconsistencies and obvious additions and deletions......

I read the bible through the lens of the message.. does it bring love and life and expand on creation? or does it bring death and destruction. That is how I know what words are from the Creator, and what is from yaldabaoth.

I would say that 90% at least, of the bible is scripted prophecy. Meaning that the words were penned under the auspices and approval of the god of this world..... so he basically and virtually planned what was going to happen, then causes cirumstances to happen to make it appear prophecy was fulfilled.

It's easy to write prophecy when you're the one who wrote the book.

I've read smatterings of it, but it came away unimpressed. The "wisdom" lacks practicality for the most part. In my mind it is no different than Tao or other man made philosophies and stories.

Karma/Dharma make no sense as they would cause a perpetually regressive system that none would be able to free themselves from. Sad for those born into a lower caste, never to move up until after death. It's why the Buddha came and reformed the entire system. I couldn't imagine wanting to live and die 1000 lives not know what one did wrong to continually be tortured.

Christ was "slain" before the foundation of the world. Rev:13:8

How long ago was that????


Most of you might want to rethink the "story" of Jesus.

Thus is another aspect I don't fully understand. Many bad things are set to happen. Why do this? To punish the wicked? Why not with the vision of future, put things in place to avoid us going off the path in the first place? Why make us go through this first and not make us in heaven? If few are worthy than why make us? There's just so much that I just don't get. Maybe I'm wanting more than what's available. These are questions humans shouldn't be asking. I hate the way I feel, almost challenging the why's and what's when I should just be worshipping. But to who? Jesus? God? Are these unreasonable questions I'm asking. I feel defiant and I don't mean to be. These things are just on my mind constantly. Like I said, I am a believer but I came from this through NDE stories and not from a book which I now desperately try and understand.

All life is built on death. There is only matter and energy and the flow between the two. It doesn't disprove that G-d is the only G-d. The material world was created in a certain manner, which always seems crude when compared to the spiritual. Not that we know how that realm functions either.

Seems weak of your creator who can't stop a lower entity.

What good would a plc interface do you in 'heaven'?

Lead a horse to water... Continue on with the "traditions of men". I'm not here to try & convince you of anything. If you won't even patronize my sources then we've reached the conclusion of our conversation.

You think you haven't lived multiple lives already? You have., you're just not aware of it.... and you're back again....

That's too bad you got nothing from it. Many people's lives are transformed by it. I would venture to say far more lives were transformed and uplifted by it, than by the god of the torah.... which is a blood thirsty god demanding sacrifice, pain and suffering. I understand the performing of rituals to put one's mind into a spiritual place to understand spiritual things......but look at the world we have today. How successful has your belief system been?

How successful has christianity been?

How successful has islam been?

None of them are successful... this world is in the worst condition in history as we know it.

You liken the bhagavad gita with taoism and other "man made stories and philosophies" ...... where did those come from? do you think "man" made it up? where did that insight come from? Those philosphies show far more love, peace and harmony demonstrated by our Creator that the god of the OT. That's very revealing as to the source of inspiration.

you don't understand nor do you want to educate yourself. I can't force it on you.

IT'S NOT EASY, AFTER YOU WRITE THE BOOK IT HAS TO COME TO PASS AT THE FUTURE POINT IT'S SUPPOSED TO!

I meant place. Apologies!

There are so many different theories on here but I have to ask, have many of you looked at near death experience stories? Those from Howard storm, Bryan Melvin and Ronald Regan? They illustrate a very much darker side to the afterlife. They're not the only ones who have reported this experience. What are your thoughts on these hellish experiences in relation to what you believe?

I have not very much.... mainly because they are subjective to interpretation by both the individual, the individual's belief system.... what was going on with the individual when they died..... as well as by the people that individual shares the story with.

having said that, I understand these people "experience" what they did, and that is "their" experience. I don't believe it holds across the board for all humanity ....

just mho

I could say the same for you. I'm just pointing out the logical fallacies in what you believe to be reality. I couldn't imagine believing that I was trapped in a creation and my creator had no power to remove me from it unless I stumbled upon the right answers and even then wouldn't know till I died. Seem cruel and unusual to me.

To me it is like putting my cat in charge of a mouse and watching the mouse be tortured while I have the ability to save the mouse because I'm above the cat, but choosing not to do so, that is until the mouse dies ...

Thank you for responding! The only snag I have with that is a few of them where atheist and had no preconception of a heaven or a hell? I have heard Muslim NDE stories where they ended up in hell and came back as Christians which is a massive deal for them to switch religions.

and AGAIN.. this is NOT GOD THE FATHER OF THE WHOLE CREATION.

:NOT GOD:


And this is not an accurate version of the Jesus story and God either..but its believed and its baloney.

:Think on Jesus:

And this God in your OT.. is not God either.. it is rampaging others.

:bible be like go:

the god of the bible does not love you. Never has, never will. I can't speak for other's NDE experiences... but I know that most people experience a divine love they never knew before, but they'd been taught to call that Jesus or God... or whatever.

Some people have very different experiences, my deceased husband for example.

are the creator son of Nebadon.. he always had the authority over all his planets and the planets of heaven within Nebadon.

deception at its finest,,, again, imho

Oh, we believe in a version of reincarnation as described in the Zohar, it is much more humane than that of the hindoos or Buddhists.

I don't know how many times i've been around, but it is no more than three, as per the Zohar.

Not nearly as many lives have been touched by the Gita's that have been touched by the bible. It is why we are 2/3rds of the planet. You speak as if the hindoos and buddhist don't ever fight holy wars. They are just as evil as the rest of society even though you act as if they aren't.

Yes, man made them up that is why they don't contain prophecies. The don't show more love, they show man's limited wisdom's on the functioning of this realm. They are just stories which is why the Gita's had to add in laws later. The same laws as treating the third gender as a terminally ill person of the lowest ranks.

NOPE. nebadon comes from the false, satanic, channeled urantia cult. it and its phony multiple "sons" are fake and NOT REAL>

the god of this world, is the same god of all three abrahamic religions. It does NOT love you .... it feeds off you. You are a food source for it.

Merp merp merp ... I believe in the ramblings of a homeless man that were written down in a book to sell to new age rubes ... merp merp merp

pretty much true.. the satanists. Chritainity was not created by Jesus.. the satanists stole it and fucked it all to hell.. including those satanic practices of eating his body and drinking his blood and rolling in his blood.. all satanic.

And its satanic too that they left out Humans as only begotten Sons of the Father...

Even more sick is that your god allows it ...

No merp from me.. not one iota. just the what is. What the rest of your post is about.. I nave no idea.