When was jesus created by the father?

And I said I'd look into it. Then I offered my recommendation which you poo-pooed because of your recommendation. You claim an open mind, but I doubt the truthfulness of that statement.

i have looked at both skeptically and with discernment. I have not got into deep study of them, becoz of my discernment.

Seeing as you are both open to new information, what really your thoughts on these Near Death Experiences?

Sorry OP for running over your thread ..... we'll bow out with our personal discussion and take that to a pm if that person is willing

let's take our discussion to pm if you're open to it

I'm interested in them and interested that some people have positive ones, while others have negative. I find it fasinating that they generally have a culture contexts.

Christians see JC, Buddhist see Buddha, etc. I wish more research could be done, but most would consider them inhumane.

I can't PM because I don't have an account and refuse to make one. Another thread if you like, but perhaps tomorrow!

Thank you both for taking part today. It's been very interesting looking at both of your views. Than you for sharing!!!

And thank you for sitting through our bickering. I do recommend that you sit down and read the bible from cover to cover for yourself, even the NT which I don't agree with. Study it and make you own decisions. G-d doesn't quell questions as shown throughout Torah. Moses even spoke back to G-d on a few occasions and is still his highest prophet and found in the book of life!

I'm just really on the fence with these. They happen in 4D, which is fully of deceptive dark energies. There's nothing to say that one of these, couldn't or wouldn't give someone an experience which for that person would seem so real... but really was all a deceptive illusion. Why would they do that? to encapture someone into a belief system that will feed it.

My past husband purportedly experienced something, which to this day I don't know what to make of it. We had lost our 15 year old son to suicide in 2008... and without going into all the gnarly details of what was going on with him 7 years later... i'll say that he made several suicide attempts of his own. In his rehab notes, he remarked that he had died, but had no recollection of seeing anything or experiencing anything; yet, when he was released he kept talking about how peaceful and beautiful it was when he died... the colors being so crisp and clear... just pure beauty, and that he was no longer afraid to die, and he was no longer worried about where our son was.

So, I go back to it's all so very subjective to me at best, and deception at worst. But I haven't done indepth study. Have you ever listend to allison coe on youtube? she's does hypnosis past life regressions that are very interesting.

What fasinates me is the similarity in stories. The spirit leaves the body, they can see, feel and hear everything going on, then crossing to the black void and so and so on. I ha e to be honest, i have looked at hundreds of these accounts now and I only seem to come across either Christian related or spiritual related. But the universal message is always live.

The message is always love. Bloody predictive text

I'll have to look into it more; I have another friend who is also looking at it very intently. I have to agree with the message: love is what matters; it's the only thing that matters.

You know that you are not your physical self, right? the soul continues on to experience things after it leaves this body.

Like the other poster said, Buddists will see Buddah, non-religious people (like my husband) will experience bliss in other ways..... some will see relatives.

all very fascinating for sure.

I'm just replying here as a bookmark to pick the conversation up again if you'd like. My response to this is that the original creation as by the Creator did not involve death. Death was brought in by yaldabaoth, the god of the bible. It's our "job" to find our way back to the Creator, and this is through spirit.

actually, some of us DO know that realm of spirit functions.

and for it seeming weak of the Creator who can't stop a lower entity.... I know the reason why. and once you know it, you will understand too.

your own bible states that the "word" existed since the beginning. That is many trillions and trillions of years ago... it is NOT Jesus. Jesus is not the word made Flesh at all in fact.. you are being fed utter nonsense.

Jesus is a son of the Father and the Eternal Son and there about nearly 900,000 of these types of Sons now.. and then the jillions and jillions of humans and various types of angelic beings and I mean JILLIONS.

I'm gonna marry Him.

sorry but you are in error here. yes Jesus is the word made flesh

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

"eternal son" is one of the false and phony multiple "sons" of urantia, which is fake and utter nonsense here.

as scripture clearly shows, Jesus is the one and only son. so NO, there are not 900,000 of these types of "sons" now.

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I have to say, having listened to loads of these NDE experiences, they don't all see what they have as a set belief. There's several on YouTube where Muslims saw hell, met jesus and ce back Christian's. Bryan Melvin was an atheist and saw hell. There is also this account of a solier that saw demons after he crossed. Please do look into it more, there is definitely something there to these stories and there plenty of them.

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Start a thread. I'd love a discussion. P.s. I'm also '023' ... sometimes my internet goes out and I have to jump on my hotspot, thus the two numbers.

There certainly is plenty of evidence that there is life after death, and that people who die do find themselves still alive in the afterlife.

From what I have learned, the lower planes range from dark to dim light with rather ugly dark spirits of people who have died (‘demons’)and the higher planes have much brighter light with beautiful looking spirits of people who have died who look like angels.

I think in most of the NDE experiences, NDE’ers are helped by higher beings and angels to get a message and an experience that will, first all all, help that NDE’er to change their life around and become more loving and spiritually aware. That would involve using whatever religious imagery would create the most impact to effect that change.
And second of all, because this is the age of the internet, the higher beings also want to give information that will help enlighten and inform the rest of us who read and hear the details of the experience.

Then after the NDE’er returns and tells his story, it could possibly be embellished more as he retells it and adapts it to fit his own religious expectations and that of his audience. Some of it sounds totally made up to add length to a lecture or fill a book with content.

The main thing that I take away from NDE experiences is, there is life after death, and where we find ourselves after we die matches how we lived our life, developed our potential, and treated others.

And from there on I believe we will all have the rest of our eternal life and unlimited opportunities to continue to learn and improve ourselves and advance to even higher and higher planes of light and, eventually, graduate from earth to serve the Creator in various ways throughout the universe.

Thread: Why doesn't the all powerful Creator step in and remove all the evil and pain on this planet?

1. WHY did Jesus have to learn?
...Father God NEVER had to learn.

2. Paul said Jesus was "firstborn of creation / creatures".
...WHEN was Jesus BORN?

Jesus HAD to learn JUST LIKE ANY SON has to learn.

The Firstborn SON of God - the Firstborn of Creation / Creatures. Only-begotten SON OF God.

The SON of God.

Jesus deity AND divinity ARE as the SON OF God.

John 20:17 Jesus CLEARLY STATES that "the Father IS God"

Father God was NEVER "born", yet Jesus makes this statement.

John 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

John 17 shows us that Jesus was WITH the Father in the beginning.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Genesis 1:26 verse of "Let Us make man in OUR image".

Only Jesus and the Father would qualify as the "Us" and "our" individuals.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Hebrews 1

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Jesus is the Avatar of God
The Character of God.

HOGWASH

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Its multi-dimensional you cannot understand if you have the heart and mind of man.

Gods spirit was inside of Jesus the character this dimension that you live in.

Jesus was speaking to himself outside of this dimension in spirit.

God is not against God

He needed to get rid of sin and satan and refill his lost rank of host with humans, kill two birds with one stone. Also God made his presence known and humans being stiffnecked still resorted to idolatry and disobedience. He will make his presence know at the end of this age and people will still hate him.

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

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Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?