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Guythu
User ID: 47363783 United States 08/03/2021 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chinese city of Wuhan to test 'all residents' after first Covid-19 cases in over a year: official [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Last Edited by Guythu on 08/03/2021 07:41 AM |
Guythu
User ID: 47363783 United States 08/03/2021 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Everyone has to be vaccinated, if not, they cannot circulate in the municipality of Sucre," said Mayor Elvira Julia Mercado, as she ordered Covid-19 vaccine refusniks in her Colombian town to stay at home or face a fine, or even prison [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] |
Riff-Raff
DEFCON 4 User ID: 52530071 United States 08/03/2021 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time this dude wants to keep it in perspective.... he fails to remember the long folks in and outta hospital. Quoting: CleverCreator Or that deaths aren’t counted later... like 7 months after the fact. The hurrrrrrr is strong today https://twitter.com/_/status/1421866198267056131 His numbers are waaaaay off. The US daily death low point (not counting weekends) was 476 deaths on July 2. It's been slowly climbing since then, up to 891 on July 30. And his use of July 31 is disingenuous, because it's a Saturday. I use Fridays. Riff-Raff, where will the US be in 2022? I hate making specific predictions, but the US has already gone exponential on new daily cases according to the charts I'm seeing, going from 14,000 new daily cases on July 1st to 195,000 new daily cases on July 30th. If we stay on the road we're on, we'll begin 2022 with an overloaded, heavily strained health care system, a supply chain that continues to slowly fail, scientists unable to produce vaccine boosters fast enough to keep up with the virus mutations, an economy poised on the brink of total collapse, and 50% of Americans blaming the other 50% for the whole thing and perfectly willing to kill each other over it. We're not past the point of no return yet, but I don't see us implementing the steps necessary to avoid getting there. The people that I know and trust who are in positions to know things are all basically saying the same thing: "We're screwed." As far as I'm concerned, if you are not solidly prepared by this point for a full year of fending for yourself, you haven't been paying attention. We still have time to build up preps. Take advantage of it. "Collapse is a process, not an event." - Unknown "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves." - Terminator 2 "Risking my life for people I hate for reasons I don't understand." - Riff-Raff Deputy Director - DEFCON Warning System |
Riff-Raff
DEFCON 4 User ID: 52530071 United States 08/03/2021 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time this dude wants to keep it in perspective.... he fails to remember the long folks in and outta hospital. Quoting: CleverCreator Or that deaths aren’t counted later... like 7 months after the fact. The hurrrrrrr is strong today https://twitter.com/_/status/1421866198267056131 His numbers are waaaaay off. The US daily death low point (not counting weekends) was 476 deaths on July 2. It's been slowly climbing since then, up to 891 on July 30. And his use of July 31 is disingenuous, because it's a Saturday. I use Fridays. "Make your preparations and begin protecting yourself NOW, people. Seriously. We've barely scraped the surface of the rabbit hole so far." Do you honestly believe the USA is in danger of financial collapse next year? Even third world countries are surviving. I do understand that you, on this conspiracy forum, may have the deepest insight into what may occur next year. The American economy has been based on an ever-building house of cards ever since we went off the gold standard. And the huge difference between economic collapse in the US and economic collapse in third-world countries is citizens of third-world countries are already used to the hardships of living in a third-world country. Americans have no clue how to survive under third-world conditions. "Collapse is a process, not an event." - Unknown "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves." - Terminator 2 "Risking my life for people I hate for reasons I don't understand." - Riff-Raff Deputy Director - DEFCON Warning System |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Going for Gold? Quoting: Leaver Covid virus mutated 40 times in woman who acted as a 'gym' for deadly disease [link to www.express.co.uk (secure)] Dude. There was another that had 100 or so. It’s crazy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Haven't been here in a few thousand pages, just got tired of being on and trying to keep up with everything. But here's my update - Quoting: John_the_Baptist_ I did get both shots in March/April. Risky? Maybe. But better than dying on the floor of a overcrowded hospital hallway.. Employer I started with last September had everyone working from home. Telephone customer service. No real reason to need to be in an office for this type of work. Two weeks ago, we were all told to report back to the office. A week ago, we had to start doing the daily COVID survey on-line before coming to work. Two days after that, masks were delivered to our desks and we were instructed to wear them at all times in the building unless we were sitting down in our cubes answering calls. Today, I woke up with a headache, stuffy nose, diarrhea. Called off. Supervisor texted me and instructed me to take COVID survey. I did as instructed. And failed the test. So now I'm off work for at least a week, and have to go get nasal test tomorrow. Now, I don't think I have it, I think it's just a cold, probably from being around so many people after being isolated for over a year. I am SO FUCKING SICK of COVID. And I don't think this shit is ever going away. Fucking bioweapon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This tight labor market shouldn’t exist. Unfortunately lots of businesses were lost..... It should have balanced out the work force.... Nevermind article is log in only. Will look for other articles on the topic https://twitter.com/_/status/1422539025265659907 |
Serenity Now
User ID: 80694011 Italy 08/03/2021 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So it feeling like a a head cold or sinus infection is part of this round.... Quoting: CleverCreator Haven't been here in a few thousand pages, just got tired of being on and trying to keep up with everything. But here's my update - Quoting: John_the_Baptist_ I did get both shots in March/April. Risky? Maybe. But better than dying on the floor of a overcrowded hospital hallway.. Employer I started with last September had everyone working from home. Telephone customer service. No real reason to need to be in an office for this type of work. Two weeks ago, we were all told to report back to the office. A week ago, we had to start doing the daily COVID survey on-line before coming to work. Two days after that, masks were delivered to our desks and we were instructed to wear them at all times in the building unless we were sitting down in our cubes answering calls. Today, I woke up with a headache, stuffy nose, diarrhea. Called off. Supervisor texted me and instructed me to take COVID survey. I did as instructed. And failed the test. So now I'm off work for at least a week, and have to go get nasal test tomorrow. Now, I don't think I have it, I think it's just a cold, probably from being around so many people after being isolated for over a year. I am SO FUCKING SICK of COVID. And I don't think this shit is ever going away. Fucking bioweapon. I don't know if you saw my post the other day (or if it even went through), but my vaccinated aunt and uncle got Covid a couple of weeks ago. His symptoms were those of a sinus infection, which he is prone to. Not sure about aunt's symptoms.... I need to ask my mom. But he went to the doctor thinking he had a sinus infection. A lot of people won't or can't seek treatment for those symptoms and just go about their work, travel, church, etc...... First tell the truth, then give your opinion.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, SN. Another friend has a ton of circle infections similar. And Riff Raff. Plus TB. And Guythu. I wanted to reacknowlede what we are seeing. Which means my circles that had the sniffles last month... and were jet setters, probably were part of Iowa’s delta kick off. Not gonna lie....I like my bunker dweller status at the moment. |
Guythu
User ID: 46710310 United States 08/03/2021 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BREAKING: New York City to require proof of vaccination for indoor activities, including at restaurants, gyms and performances - NYT [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] |
dyin
User ID: 80694856 United States 08/03/2021 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So it feeling like a a head cold or sinus infection is part of this round.... Quoting: CleverCreator Haven't been here in a few thousand pages, just got tired of being on and trying to keep up with everything. But here's my update - Quoting: John_the_Baptist_ I did get both shots in March/April. Risky? Maybe. But better than dying on the floor of a overcrowded hospital hallway.. Employer I started with last September had everyone working from home. Telephone customer service. No real reason to need to be in an office for this type of work. Two weeks ago, we were all told to report back to the office. A week ago, we had to start doing the daily COVID survey on-line before coming to work. Two days after that, masks were delivered to our desks and we were instructed to wear them at all times in the building unless we were sitting down in our cubes answering calls. Today, I woke up with a headache, stuffy nose, diarrhea. Called off. Supervisor texted me and instructed me to take COVID survey. I did as instructed. And failed the test. So now I'm off work for at least a week, and have to go get nasal test tomorrow. Now, I don't think I have it, I think it's just a cold, probably from being around so many people after being isolated for over a year. I am SO FUCKING SICK of COVID. And I don't think this shit is ever going away. Fucking bioweapon. I don't know if you saw my post the other day (or if it even went through), but my vaccinated aunt and uncle got Covid a couple of weeks ago. His symptoms were those of a sinus infection, which he is prone to. Not sure about aunt's symptoms.... I need to ask my mom. But he went to the doctor thinking he had a sinus infection. A lot of people won't or can't seek treatment for those symptoms and just go about their work, travel, church, etc...... Yup my friend too!!!! A horrible sinus infection feeling with ear ache, tooth ach and headaches. Fully jabbed in April. But no fever, no coughing.... Truth never damages a cause that is just |
JAZZz50
User ID: 79996701 08/03/2021 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Riff, I'm sorry. I remembered right as I hit post. Quoting: Texan Buckeye I'm an out of work gramma these days. We haven't seen any of them since Christmas, right before this nightmare started. No hugs anywhere these days. Can't even hug my neighbor kids anymore. It's hard to be a hugger in a world where hugs are outlawed. There's a B sci-fi movie in there somewhere. Maybe a B slasher movie. TB: Seriously, no worries. You keep posting what you feel. This is one of the few places left where you can do that without judgment. You're the best. It'll be 2 years this Christmas since I've seen any of the kids. That's the longest we've gone without seeing them. Thing is, it's not like when Mr. TB was still active duty and we couldn't come home. None of us has any reason for this BUT the virus. We keep making plans and they always fall through. I'll get through this. I'm not the only one in the world with this problem. It just gets a little heavy sometimes. Thanks for understanding everyone. I have been seeing my vaccinated California son, girlfriend, and German shepherd (not vaccinated) weekly outside in the back garden throughout this pandemic. If you do not have an outside space, could you not meet at a local park? i won't speak for TB. GF and i are in a similar boat. have avoided seeing family since 2019 holidays. thou we did call my mom early this year to help us run some errands. this was just before she got her shots. in our case, family does not live in the same town. my mom is half hour to my east. GF's family is 3 hours west. my mom lives in a high rise of elderly ppl with only 2 elevators. her risk of being exposed is high for that alone. none of the ppl are staying home. all have traveled across several states during this ordeal. they basically have not locked down at all at any time. free roaming and visiting others. the GF's neices and gandkids would all want hugs. so even outside, the exposure is too high considering we would have a 3 hour ride back home before we could change clothes and take a full bleach bath. so there would b no socializing at a safe distance even outside. i've told a few stories over the year and half of how much they disregard the virus. during the lockdown, gf's mom took the neices out for pizza. drove to the restaraunt not realizing it was closed. where she is that trip was bout half hour away.all the kids in the small town play together constantly.both outside and in each others houses. this too did not stop.nor did sleepovers at other family member's houses within an hour's drive. my own mother took a trip to VA. this was a reunion with her sisters including 1 from FL. that was in 2020. their total disregard for the virus puts them at risk. what has saved them so far, is they are in rural northern PA. the world still believes the virus attacks older very sick ppl. and of course some are vaxed and safe as the media has told them. the safe road of avoiding them completely isn't easy. GF has accepted it and adjusted better than i expected. she knows herself that we might never see some ppl again. but she also knows if she gets the virus she is most likely dead due to her health problems. so no the isk even outdoors is too high. JAZZZ50 2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out. we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth. if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars. |
JAZZz50
User ID: 79996701 08/03/2021 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BREAKING: New York City to require proof of vaccination for indoor activities, including at restaurants, gyms and performances - NYT Quoting: Guythu [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] waiting to hear news on the NASCAR race this wkened. last year, governor cancelled it. would't agree to less fans at the race even. within a few days, this area becomes 1 of the biggest cities in NYS population wise spread out bout 45 mins from the track. JAZZZ50 2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out. we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth. if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars. |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 22937658 United States 08/03/2021 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Riff-Raff TB: Seriously, no worries. You keep posting what you feel. This is one of the few places left where you can do that without judgment. You're the best. It'll be 2 years this Christmas since I've seen any of the kids. That's the longest we've gone without seeing them. Thing is, it's not like when Mr. TB was still active duty and we couldn't come home. None of us has any reason for this BUT the virus. We keep making plans and they always fall through. I'll get through this. I'm not the only one in the world with this problem. It just gets a little heavy sometimes. Thanks for understanding everyone. I have been seeing my vaccinated California son, girlfriend, and German shepherd (not vaccinated) weekly outside in the back garden throughout this pandemic. If you do not have an outside space, could you not meet at a local park? i won't speak for TB. GF and i are in a similar boat. have avoided seeing family since 2019 holidays. thou we did call my mom early this year to help us run some errands. this was just before she got her shots. in our case, family does not live in the same town. my mom is half hour to my east. GF's family is 3 hours west. my mom lives in a high rise of elderly ppl with only 2 elevators. her risk of being exposed is high for that alone. none of the ppl are staying home. all have traveled across several states during this ordeal. they basically have not locked down at all at any time. free roaming and visiting others. the GF's neices and gandkids would all want hugs. so even outside, the exposure is too high considering we would have a 3 hour ride back home before we could change clothes and take a full bleach bath. so there would b no socializing at a safe distance even outside. i've told a few stories over the year and half of how much they disregard the virus. during the lockdown, gf's mom took the neices out for pizza. drove to the restaraunt not realizing it was closed. where she is that trip was bout half hour away.all the kids in the small town play together constantly.both outside and in each others houses. this too did not stop.nor did sleepovers at other family member's houses within an hour's drive. my own mother took a trip to VA. this was a reunion with her sisters including 1 from FL. that was in 2020. their total disregard for the virus puts them at risk. what has saved them so far, is they are in rural northern PA. the world still believes the virus attacks older very sick ppl. and of course some are vaxed and safe as the media has told them. the safe road of avoiding them completely isn't easy. GF has accepted it and adjusted better than i expected. she knows herself that we might never see some ppl again. but she also knows if she gets the virus she is most likely dead due to her health problems. so no the isk even outdoors is too high. Hey guys. Lago, my story is similar to Jazz's except my kids live in 2 different states, Missouri and Texas. Visits like you have with your son aren't possible. I broke my bubble when we visited my brother and sil, the other day. There was some family business that had to be done in person. They are vaxxed and VERY mobile. I worried about going and I'm watching Mr. TB and myself very carefully, as we are not vaxxed. We've been told by 2 different docs NOT to take it. They both said we would have a better chance of surviving the virus. With our health issues the shot would most likely kill us and while we are getting older, I have NO desire to die for no reason. Jazz, give your gf a really big hug from me to her. Please? It has to be even harder for her since the kids are so much closer than mine. |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 22937658 United States 08/03/2021 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] If you still need things, better get them quickly. The normies are stocking up and the supply lines are broken. |
Serenity Now
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Quoting: Texan Buckeye If you still need things, better get them quickly. The normies are stocking up and the supply lines are broken. :nodding: I was blessed to get an order in today. Walmart delivery slots going fast. |
dyin
User ID: 80694856 United States 08/03/2021 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm hoping I can find what I need....shoes, more winter clothes, clothes....I have been slacking in that dept trying to shore up my food and water and electricity/heat items for the winter Truth never damages a cause that is just |
Texan Buckeye
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Serenity Now
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Texan Buckeye
User ID: 22937658 United States 08/03/2021 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm hoping I can find what I need....shoes, more winter clothes, clothes....I have been slacking in that dept trying to shore up my food and water and electricity/heat items for the winter Quoting: dyin Heat and electricity are a problem. Since we're renting, we can't have a wood burner put in. I do know a ton of tricks from parents and grandparents about blocking out cold air. I've had to use them a few times. I've got the shrink plastic for the lr windows and I will use them, if needed. Those are the leakiest windows in the house. |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 22937658 United States 08/03/2021 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I miss Publix. Their store brand ice cream had the best variety of flavors. Quoting: Augmentalist That is all I care about anymore. Just let my last meal be a half gallon of Publix ice cream before you give me my triple jab o death. Goals. A seriously good one, too! If I had room for ice cream it would be Tofts, though. That's our local dairy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh yeah.... the public is subconsciously catching up. https://twitter.com/_/status/1422595691713601536 |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 08/03/2021 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're a coffee drinker, stock up. Apparently Brazil, a major supplier, has had weather that's pretty much wrecked this year's supply and was nasty to the extent that their ability to supply coffee may be disrupted until 2023/2024. "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 22937658 United States 08/03/2021 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're a coffee drinker, stock up. Apparently Brazil, a major supplier, has had weather that's pretty much wrecked this year's supply and was nasty to the extent that their ability to supply coffee may be disrupted until 2023/2024. Quoting: Larry D. Croc I knew it was bad, but not that bad. I've only got a years worth. Btw Larry, I didn't get your pm, but I bought a small bag of Gold Stuff tobacco and a box of Zen tubes yesterday to try. The girl at the store said the tobacco was the most popular in their store. Have NO idea! LOL |
Riff-Raff
DEFCON 4 User ID: 52530071 United States 08/03/2021 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're a coffee drinker, stock up. Apparently Brazil, a major supplier, has had weather that's pretty much wrecked this year's supply and was nasty to the extent that their ability to supply coffee may be disrupted until 2023/2024. Quoting: Larry D. Croc We're going to Costco tonight and just wandering the aisles to see if anything jumps out at us that we might want to increase our stocks. Last Edited by Riff-Raff on 08/03/2021 01:01 PM "Collapse is a process, not an event." - Unknown "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves." - Terminator 2 "Risking my life for people I hate for reasons I don't understand." - Riff-Raff Deputy Director - DEFCON Warning System |
dyin
User ID: 80694856 United States 08/03/2021 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | News from the ground. Sister works for GM, they were laid off last week due to semi-conductor shortage, now they are off again next week..same thing. I asked if people would have to get laid off permanently if things continue, she doesn't think so and is excited for the time off. She really can't see the writing on the wall. I'm sure majority are the same narrow viewpoint as her. Truth never damages a cause that is just |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 08/03/2021 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're a coffee drinker, stock up. Apparently Brazil, a major supplier, has had weather that's pretty much wrecked this year's supply and was nasty to the extent that their ability to supply coffee may be disrupted until 2023/2024. Quoting: Larry D. Croc I knew it was bad, but not that bad. I've only got a years worth. Btw Larry, I didn't get your pm, but I bought a small bag of Gold Stuff tobacco and a box of Zen tubes yesterday to try. The girl at the store said the tobacco was the most popular in their store. Have NO idea! LOL I sent it again, TB, so if CC doesn't mind I'm going to simply cut and paste it here. I'm going to suggest you buy one pound of Ohm Red and one pound of Ohm Yellow and when they arrive take a tupperware type storage tub and mix 'em together gently. If you want Marlboro in the red pack use a regular or what they call "full flavor" tube with the brown/tan filter. If you want a Marlboro light use the same tobacco mix and a "light" or white filteporn links. If you buy two pounds of tobacco get yourself four boxes of tubes; it takes about half a pound of tobacco to make a carton (200 cigarettes). So two pounds is four cartons of smokes. Figure about $14 for each pound of tobacco and maybe $4 per box of 200 tubes and you'll have a final cost of about $1.10 per pack or $11 per carton of cigarettes. Or "what we paid in the olden days"...lol. Even better, it's gonna be just tobacco and paper; none of the 400+ chemicals they use on the commercial stuff. I smoke a bit less since I started rolling my own and don't have any of the side effects; coughing, morning congestion, etc. I had when I used the commercial smokes. Last Edited by Larry D. Croc on 08/03/2021 01:02 PM "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 22937658 United States 08/03/2021 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're a coffee drinker, stock up. Apparently Brazil, a major supplier, has had weather that's pretty much wrecked this year's supply and was nasty to the extent that their ability to supply coffee may be disrupted until 2023/2024. Quoting: Larry D. Croc I knew it was bad, but not that bad. I've only got a years worth. Btw Larry, I didn't get your pm, but I bought a small bag of Gold Stuff tobacco and a box of Zen tubes yesterday to try. The girl at the store said the tobacco was the most popular in their store. Have NO idea! LOL I sent it again, TB, so if CC doesn't mind I'm going to simply cut and paste it here. Nope, didn't get it. I don't think she'll mind. We're not the only smokers on the planet. Might help someone else, too. Thanks. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692955 08/03/2021 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're a coffee drinker, stock up. Apparently Brazil, a major supplier, has had weather that's pretty much wrecked this year's supply and was nasty to the extent that their ability to supply coffee may be disrupted until 2023/2024. Quoting: Larry D. Croc I knew it was bad, but not that bad. I've only got a years worth. Btw Larry, I didn't get your pm, but I bought a small bag of Gold Stuff tobacco and a box of Zen tubes yesterday to try. The girl at the store said the tobacco was the most popular in their store. Have NO idea! LOL I sent it again, TB, so if CC doesn't mind I'm going to simply cut and paste it here. I'm going to suggest you buy one pound of Ohm Red and one pound of Ohm Yellow and when they arrive take a tupperware type storage tub and mix 'em together gently. If you want Marlboro in the red pack use a regular or what they call "full flavor" tube with the brown/tan filter. If you want a Marlboro light use the same tobacco mix and a "light" or white filteporn links. If you buy two pounds of tobacco get yourself four boxes of tubes; it takes about half a pound of tobacco to make a carton (200 cigarettes). So two pounds is four cartons of smokes. Figure about $14 for each pound of tobacco and maybe $4 per box of 200 tubes and you'll have a final cost of about $1.10 per pack or $11 per carton of cigarettes. Or "what we paid in the olden days"...lol. Even better, it's gonna be just tobacco and paper; none of the 400+ chemicals they use on the commercial stuff. I smoke a bit less since I started rolling my own and don't have any of the side effects; coughing, morning congestion, etc. I had when I used the commercial smokes. Please do. This is for all our thoughts. I loved what you called the other thread when we transitioned last time. |