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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324350 United States 03/02/2021 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is a circular argument. Folks will still be infected with sars cov 2. They just won’t know it. Quoting: CleverCreator Everyone one will be too damn dumb to even do contact tracing.... as if that’s possible.... yes.... imagine a society that 80% are developing early dementia type issues because they were infected... over and over again. I understand the wants. I understand the cravings. I really fucking want some damn hopium too. I didn’t just pull my arguments from thin air. You know damned well that I spent all year in research mode. As a collective, DT’s thread got to some very important points way before the traditional research science/medical fields. And we passed lockdown working way back in fall. That’s a huge fail. In the US.... it is unfortunately individual decisions that will need to be made .... and I can only present what I find and continue to just offer support. We. Are. Minked. There is plenty of evidence that vaccines prevent infection, not just symptoms. I know someone who's had the shit twice, first infection was at about the earliest point we can collect data from, he's still sharp as a tack... once again zero evidence everyone is gonna get dementia. Nobody knows how this shit's gonna play out in the long run, not me... not you. Come July we could be full Spanish flu, or high fiving over burgers with our buddies. But to say that either is more likely at the moment is presenting facts not in evidence. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80102819 03/02/2021 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is a circular argument. Folks will still be infected with sars cov 2. They just won’t know it. Quoting: CleverCreator Everyone one will be too damn dumb to even do contact tracing.... as if that’s possible.... yes.... imagine a society that 80% are developing early dementia type issues because they were infected... over and over again. I understand the wants. I understand the cravings. I really fucking want some damn hopium too. I didn’t just pull my arguments from thin air. You know damned well that I spent all year in research mode. As a collective, DT’s thread got to some very important points way before the traditional research science/medical fields. And we passed lockdown working way back in fall. That’s a huge fail. In the US.... it is unfortunately individual decisions that will need to be made .... and I can only present what I find and continue to just offer support. We. Are. Minked. There is plenty of evidence that vaccines prevent infection, not just symptoms. I know someone who's had the shit twice, first infection was at about the earliest point we can collect data from, he's still sharp as a tack... once again zero evidence everyone is gonna get dementia. Nobody knows how this shit's gonna play out in the long run, not me... not you. Come July we could be full Spanish flu, or high fiving over burgers with our buddies. But to say that either is more likely at the moment is presenting facts not in evidence. I presented enough case study, research papers, and presented the big longterm studies. You are right.... I cannot say it will 100% happen like XYZ. I have however presented enough that folks will still take enough PPE precautions. And do their best. And I love that your buddy is sharp as a tack. I hope he stays that way. Hopium is not going to save anyone else. So you can be flustered with me for being extremely concerned with the evidence that I have presented.... but I am not going to sugar coat this. Especially as the masks are coming off, teachers are back in classrooms, and vacations are being taken.... That next wave ... not even fake ass restrictions and crappy rushed “vaccines” will make this less painful. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79982035 United Kingdom 03/02/2021 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is a circular argument. Folks will still be infected with sars cov 2. They just won’t know it. Quoting: CleverCreator Everyone one will be too damn dumb to even do contact tracing.... as if that’s possible.... yes.... imagine a society that 80% are developing early dementia type issues because they were infected... over and over again. I understand the wants. I understand the cravings. I really fucking want some damn hopium too. I didn’t just pull my arguments from thin air. You know damned well that I spent all year in research mode. As a collective, DT’s thread got to some very important points way before the traditional research science/medical fields. And we passed lockdown working way back in fall. That’s a huge fail. In the US.... it is unfortunately individual decisions that will need to be made .... and I can only present what I find and continue to just offer support. We. Are. Minked. There is plenty of evidence that vaccines prevent infection, not just symptoms. I know someone who's had the shit twice, first infection was at about the earliest point we can collect data from, he's still sharp as a tack... once again zero evidence everyone is gonna get dementia. Nobody knows how this shit's gonna play out in the long run, not me... not you. Come July we could be full Spanish flu, or high fiving over burgers with our buddies. But to say that either is more likely at the moment is presenting facts not in evidence. The covid vaccines do not prevent infection -- there is no sterilizing immunity. There's some talk that they might reduce the level of transmission but that's different. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80102819 03/02/2021 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sure they said could.... that’s them being nice.... however, between the individual case studies plus a few longhaulers group studies.... I would be willing to stand before a governmental body and fight for getting safeguards in place.... because this brick wall.... it gets here within 5 years... if and only if the vaccines slow spread. However, if the other side is unfortunately correct.... and this keeps spreading , but under the radar.... this brick wall gets here sooner. COVID-19 Could Increase Dementia, Other Brain Disorders for Decades to Come [link to www.newsweek.com (secure)] The problem right now.... the research is only showing severe cases get it immediately. That won’t stay that way with reoccurring infections. COVID19 and dementia: Analyses of risk, disparity, and outcomes from electronic health records in the US [link to alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70726642 United States 03/02/2021 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Texan Buckeye I'm not really surprised, guys. My son has told us and sent me pictures over the year. Out in west Texas, they weren't wearing masks much and things really didn't stay closed for too long. I wish I could show you the pics. I think it has a lot to do with the density thing. West Texas is sparsely populated. Dallas more so, but even Dallas is sparse compared to NYC or LA. More people packed into a small space = higher viral load risk. It's not just west Texas - Quite a few people in DFW haven't been wearing masks, anyhow. The workers in the stores tend to have their mask on correctly, while about 1 in 4 of the shoppers have their noses showing. There were photos of some of the few restaurants open during the storm where none of the workers had masks on. As far as kids / teens walking home from school - only 1 in 10 or so was masked. Also, Abbott probably already had a timeline in mind - It was announced back in December that the vehicle registration requirements would be back in place mid-April. Running out of money. Running outta' virus |
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User ID: 77473202 United States 03/02/2021 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone know someone who's had the common cold this year? Quoting: R. Wordsworth I don't know anyone who has been sick aside from COVID. I usually would have had a sinus infection by now, I used to get one per year, other than that I can't really remember being sick aside from one time about 10 years ago I had something that got in my lungs and dragged my down for a couple of weeks. Me. I am regular sick. I have a ripping sinus infection right now. In the past month it has been 7 degrees, 76 degrees, a foot of snow and ice, mosquitoes and crickets, Ice Storm warnings then tornado watches. We are getting what we call here the "3rd winter" which will give way to "The Pollen". So, a lot of people I know have sinusitis at the moment. Luckily, I stocked up on antibiotics and sinus meds. I know what you mean about the sinusitis...hate it. Battling an onset right now. Hope you feel better EG. Hope you both get some breaks soon. The pressure sucks. Thank you! Dosha |
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User ID: 77473202 United States 03/02/2021 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: CleverCreator It’s gets even weirder because it’s the ones that had covid19. And it’s “come on already.... we miss you.” Bloody damned weird. I don’t care how many parties or group trips we miss..... no way, Jose. The people that I've talked to haven't had it as far as anyone knows. It's as if they've been brainwashed. I don't like that term, but it kind of fits. I've watched people "change" when they start talking about the shot. I've never bought into all the woowoo stuff about people who are "programmed", but this is getting really weird. Their posture, facial expressions, even tone of voice changes. I've only recently seen this in several people, still not out that much. It has just been odd. Hi TB, hope you're doing well today. I agree with what you are saying, it's scary. I read our Next Door website to see what's going on and the thread for those who've gotten their vaccine is a trip. They are all in and believe this is going to save the world, them, and bring normalcy back to our lives. Sigh. Thanks Dosha. Today's a pretty good day so far. I found a GOOD brace yesterday and it's helping a lot! My ankle is still messed up, but it's got support now and not turning in. Big problem now is getting a shoe on that foot! LOL Slippers it is. That can be a challenge. Glad you're having a good day. Dosha |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80067293 03/03/2021 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please keep the tread open don't ban the ppl who don't agree with it ....ask questions. We will get to the bottom of this faster. Censorship isn't good Quoting: CDC ATL There are valid discussions to be had. The reason I started this was because of the ones that are trolling. And that specific one goes off the deep end regularly. And truth? I love a good conspiracy. But besides a giant incompetent mess or possibly Revelations..... all that is left is to Watch normalcy bias burn the world to the ground. And keep up research as the next wave comes. Have you missed everyone’s absolute insane urge to resume normal activities right the fuck now? It is some of the most bizarre large scale normalcy bias ..... in this whole mess. Even weirder than the hoaxers that at least had a understandable beginning. I left the other thread so there could be a semblance of not being drowned in personal attacks and the constant George. If it looks like a past troll, smells like a pat troll, or fucking whines like a past troll.... is in the garbage bin. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79961418 United Kingdom 03/03/2021 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And he can go to Hawaii. That’s fine. His pen and paper are not as accurate as the hopium needs to be. Quoting: CleverCreator When these folks find out how often boosters are needed and even those are not guaranteed..... will they still line up? OK, well... so what if boosters are needed? Does that mean everyone is going to die? If a year of vaccinations, even if that takes booster shots, can get virus levels down to where contact tracing can be effective... we can get to the New Zealand model of control. It's either that or let the shit run it's course. It is too late to try to stamp this shit out with lockdowns. Your choice, what is more dangerous... getting the jab or getting COVID? That is a circular argument. Folks will still be infected with sars cov 2. They just won’t know it. Everyone one will be too damn dumb to even do contact tracing.... as if that’s possible.... yes.... imagine a society that 80% are developing early dementia type issues because they were infected... over and over again. I understand the wants. I understand the cravings. I really fucking want some damn hopium too. I didn’t just pull my arguments from thin air. You know damned well that I spent all year in research mode. As a collective, DT’s thread got to some very important points way before the traditional research science/medical fields. And we passed lockdown working way back in fall. That’s a huge fail. In the US.... it is unfortunately individual decisions that will need to be made .... and I can only present what I find and continue to just offer support. We. Are. Minked. I politely disagree. As with small pox the vaccine was successful and certainly from the figures thus far in the UK the vaccines are having a similar effect. It's still early days yet but there can be no doubt it's looking positive. |
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User ID: 59390060 United States 03/03/2021 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the next few weeks will be very telling. If the numbers continue to decline, and there aren't people turning up ill despite testing negative (if the tests don't pick up the variants, as has been mentioned as a possibility,) I'll feel more hopeful. One of my roommates is on the waiting list for the vaccine at our local CVS. Apparently, they often have left overs at the end of the day, and they call people in from a waiting list. We'll see how he does with it. For now, vax or no, we're not changing our behaviors. I know what you folks mean about people being nearly brainwashed regarding the vaccine. That's one of the problems with there being such a divide between the vax-true-believers, and the anti-vax crowd. People who are pro-vax tend to place more faith that is warranted in vaccines, and ignore the very real problems that have happened over the years. It's as if there is no room for critical thinking on this issue, at all ... you're pro, or you're anti... and few can see the shades of grey in between. I'm with CC, though ... I feel a sense of impending doom, and I can't shake it. Between the variants spreading, restrictions being lifted, and false vaccine confidence, I have a feeling we're about to get walloped very badly. I hope I'm wrong... I'd love to have a more normal life back. Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time. Lenonard Cohen |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79888696 Luxembourg 03/03/2021 06:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And he can go to Hawaii. That’s fine. His pen and paper are not as accurate as the hopium needs to be. Quoting: CleverCreator When these folks find out how often boosters are needed and even those are not guaranteed..... will they still line up? OK, well... so what if boosters are needed? Does that mean everyone is going to die? If a year of vaccinations, even if that takes booster shots, can get virus levels down to where contact tracing can be effective... we can get to the New Zealand model of control. It's either that or let the shit run it's course. It is too late to try to stamp this shit out with lockdowns. Your choice, what is more dangerous... getting the jab or getting COVID? That is a circular argument. Folks will still be infected with sars cov 2. They just won’t know it. Everyone one will be too damn dumb to even do contact tracing.... as if that’s possible.... yes.... imagine a society that 80% are developing early dementia type issues because they were infected... over and over again. I understand the wants. I understand the cravings. I really fucking want some damn hopium too. I didn’t just pull my arguments from thin air. You know damned well that I spent all year in research mode. As a collective, DT’s thread got to some very important points way before the traditional research science/medical fields. And we passed lockdown working way back in fall. That’s a huge fail. In the US.... it is unfortunately individual decisions that will need to be made .... and I can only present what I find and continue to just offer support. We. Are. Minked. I politely disagree. As with small pox the vaccine was successful and certainly from the figures thus far in the UK the vaccines are having a similar effect. It's still early days yet but there can be no doubt it's looking positive. All 'vaccines' are not the same. Here is Prof. Clancy [link to quadrant.org.au (secure)] Blood antibody levels characterise the systemic immune response. These antibodies are very effective at neutralising virus that passes through the blood stream in its normal course of infection, such as the measles or mumps virus. These vaccines readily induce sterilising immunity. The influenza and Covid19 viruses are different. They enter the blood stream only in late disease, when the inflammatory response to the virus has become the main cause of tissue damage, and when immune containment has become irrelevant. (The author is Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School. He is a member of the Australian Academy of Science’s COVID-19 Expert Database) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80105124 03/03/2021 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the next few weeks will be very telling. If the numbers continue to decline, and there aren't people turning up ill despite testing negative (if the tests don't pick up the variants, as has been mentioned as a possibility,) I'll feel more hopeful. Quoting: Doommonkey One of my roommates is on the waiting list for the vaccine at our local CVS. Apparently, they often have left overs at the end of the day, and they call people in from a waiting list. We'll see how he does with it. For now, vax or no, we're not changing our behaviors. I know what you folks mean about people being nearly brainwashed regarding the vaccine. That's one of the problems with there being such a divide between the vax-true-believers, and the anti-vax crowd. People who are pro-vax tend to place more faith that is warranted in vaccines, and ignore the very real problems that have happened over the years. It's as if there is no room for critical thinking on this issue, at all ... you're pro, or you're anti... and few can see the shades of grey in between. I'm with CC, though ... I feel a sense of impending doom, and I can't shake it. Between the variants spreading, restrictions being lifted, and false vaccine confidence, I have a feeling we're about to get walloped very badly. I hope I'm wrong... I'd love to have a more normal life back. Me too. However, I am going to listen to my instincts. And theses types of discussions help others know that it’s okay to be prudent. I would rather be wrong that caught up in the next shitshow. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80105124 03/03/2021 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For others.... German Proxy AC with pelvic pain --- Quoting: Doommonkey I'm wondering if you have Covid in your GI tract. It's known to cause nervous system problems, and you may also have developed colitis, or something similar (which can cause lower back pain and urinary problems.) I am by no means a doctor, just a person who has endured a lot of GI-tract hell. What has helped me digestively is oil of oregano, berberine, L Glutamine, Allicin (from garlic), and an overall anti-inflammatory diet. If you have an actual infection in your GI tract, it can cause enough inflammation to cause the "golf ball in your butt" feeling (voice of experience, here.) If the inflammation is bad enough, it can cause a fecal impaction, which is quite serious. If that's the case, you would need to target the infection as well as the inflammation. There is a product called Biocidin, which is a very strong blend of essential oils, that works very well for bowel infections. A good alternative to that is called Dysbiocide (both of them are pricey, though.) If the lower colon is inflamed, that can also cause urinary issues. For nerve pain, Alpha Lipoic Acid is helpful, taken regularly. If possible, though, it would be good to get a full workup done -- it's ridiculous to deny you a colonosopy since you have new-onset problems, so you might be able to fight that. If they won't do it, perhaps they'd be willing to do a fecal smear, at least. Otherwise, we're all just guessing and proving remedies that 'might' help, but we really don't know what you are dealing with. Covid seems to like to hide out in the GI tract. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80105124 03/03/2021 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | biden isnt doing anything ,, he is incapable Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79579101 and many Americans WONT take that poison You show me anyone in a political position that has managed well.... ANYWHERE on Earth. Nonexistent dream. Folks need to focus on what they can do.... instead of blaming others. That pipedream of help is coming has come and gone. Actually.... somewhere between 60% to 80% of adults will take this just to get back “normalcy” of everyday life. And while I really wish it was going to help.... the consequences are more mutations and silent spread. Pick your choice of phrases.... I like the muddling through at the moment, but Just keep swimming Don’t stop being overly prepared Don’t let your guard down Don’t let peer pressure make decisions for you And Focus on what you can control and prepare for. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80105124 03/03/2021 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh the spinning.... 1... no, vaccines make this kind of useless 2... it actually forces mutations US halts plasma study to treat mild COVID-19 citing 'unlikely benefit' The plasma 'caused no harm' but 'was unlikely to benefit this group of patients,' the NIH said Less than 50% The study launched in August 2020, and aimed to reach 900 patients across 47 hospital emergency departments (ED) in the U.S., but only enrolled 511 patients. These patients presented to the ED with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 and had at least one underlying condition that would heighten the risk for a severe course of COVID-19 disease, like heart disease or obesity. The patients had symptoms for several days to a week, but weren’t sick enough to require hospitalization. [link to www.foxnews.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80105124 03/03/2021 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And this tactic.... No. He would have still gotten covid19. Could it have been less severe, up front.... maybe.... but he still would be infected. RIP He was days away from getting a vaccine. Then he got Covid-19 [link to www.cnn.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 74993981 United States 03/03/2021 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Update: As of today, 92% of students returned to the school. There is no way to keep them distanced. Zero temp checks until they are in the building. K-5 grades. Lunch times have to stay the same unless more hours are added to the school day. 512 students. This is about to go horribly wrong. And I am talking about one school. Just one. It is like this at ALL inner-city schools here. Jesus...it is horrifying. One teacher actually went to the lounge to cry. |
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User ID: 71630411 United States 03/03/2021 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | JUST IN - Gov. Abbott ends the statewide mask mandate in Texas and announces all businesses in the state can reopen. Quoting: AV201 [link to abcnews.go.com (secure)] Well..... that won’t help the next wave... I'm not really surprised, guys. My son has told us and sent me pictures over the year. Out in west Texas, they weren't wearing masks much and things really didn't stay closed for too long. I wish I could show you the pics. I think it has a lot to do with the density thing. West Texas is sparsely populated. Dallas more so, but even Dallas is sparse compared to NYC or LA. More people packed into a small space = higher viral load risk. Yup, WV did well as a whole, we had some lock downs at the beginning but by June even most bars were back open, had lots of people from out of state coming in to hide out, i think it's been mostly a financial boost for most local economies here, some of the more populated areas like the Martinsburg area (Eastern) and Charleston area (Southern) didn't fair as a good as others in the State did, it's because most are spread out, my closest Neighbor is 3/4 of a mile! Last Edited by M R E on 03/03/2021 10:06 AM would rather have it & not need it then need it & not have it |
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User ID: 71630411 United States 03/03/2021 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | biden isnt doing anything ,, he is incapable Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79579101 and many Americans WONT take that poison when will the true numbers come out for those not taking the Vaccine?? between friends and Family i have talked to i would say it's 50% at best for those that have got it or said they would get the Vaccine when it's available?? would rather have it & not need it then need it & not have it |
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User ID: 71630411 United States 03/03/2021 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Update: Quoting: Elevatorguy As of today, 92% of students returned to the school. There is no way to keep them distanced. Zero temp checks until they are in the building. K-5 grades. Lunch times have to stay the same unless more hours are added to the school day. 512 students. This is about to go horribly wrong. And I am talking about one school. Just one. It is like this at ALL inner-city schools here. Jesus...it is horrifying. One teacher actually went to the lounge to cry. For those regions that Schools have not opened yet, what is the point with opening so late in the year?? would rather have it & not need it then need it & not have it |