im an atheist. debate me!

And I looked at this case lol you do t even understand it.

You proved my point with it.
She lost the ability to recognize faces period ..
That is a function not a memory. She lost the ability to differentiate faces in the face of or lack of memories.
Memories are non local within function btw as well, as each function can have integral memories

I'm no expert, and I'm sure there's a lot about this condition I don't understand. But here's something I found:

Prosopagnosia is thought to be the result of abnormalities, damage, or impairment in the right fusiform gyrus, a fold in the brain that appears to coordinate the neural systems that control facial perception and memory. Prosopagnosia can result from stroke, traumatic brain injury, or certain neurodegenerative diseases.

You don't think that the ability to recognize a face is at all related to memory?

And after reading the case..looks like th degrees are intact .

If you had taken one second to pause....and reflect.
You would have realized the memory is the sand ....the function is the filter.

She lost the ability to filter facial recognition ..including memories of faces .
I'm willîng to wager the memories exist, she just can't use them.
You do not even understand what you are reading

There are local integral memories in functional areas.
You are missing the point.
Example :
Do you think the memories of her parents didn't exist elsewhere ? Or the only memory of her parents faces was in the Hippocampus ?
If the memory exist elsewhere , and it cannot be accessed what can we assume.
QED ..this is a result of lack of function not memory

You could be right, I heard about the woman with prosopagnosia years ago, and it was just one example I provided to demonstrate that different memories are stored at different locations in the brain.

It's hard for me to understand how someone couldn't recognize a face just by recalling unique features, but again, you could be right.

Either way, holonomic brain theory never caught on.

There are different names for different models, but the modern conception is always the same.
Core memories appear to be nonlocal in the gray matter .
Functional memories are non local and integral within local functional areas.
Schemas aren't even taught in the classical sense of this word anymore

Every brain damage case I have even been aware of supports this .
Including yours

I do see your point. The memory could still be there, despite a loss of the function to recall that memory, or create new ones. Thanks for the correction.

So, it's fair to say that -even if I accept that memory is non-local- it is stored in the brain?

Your contention is that we don't know if specific memories have a specific location in the brain, correct?

Granted I am no expert in this either..it's just my understanding of the current knowledge

Ye ....I wasn't getting metaphysical...

Just wanted to correct that point.
I am a rational skeptic......of the ignostic view .
We will never have these answers about God , because it is infinitely beyond our station in the universe

The more we try to describe any concept of God , the further we would get from what it actually is, if it existed .
That's my view

A rational understanding of God in a theistic paradigm is inversely proportionate to something that can't be understood is ...so to speak.
It would be impossible to approach it from rational understanding at our level.
We would have to evolve into near GODS ..close enough to get it.

This of course plays no part into an intelligent design standpoint, like simulation theory etc,

I wouldn't equate intelligent design with simulation theory. Intelligent design specifically says that animals and people were designed with forethought and intention, whereas simulation theory could entail a universe in which life evolves automatically, and the programmer is not even aware of human existence.

I would have thought simulation was under the umbrella of intelligent design ..or a subset ...where as a theistic view , although being the origin of, has currently ( becomes of the emergence of various subsets ) been reduced to a subset..

I could be wrong.

Intelligent design is just a rebranding of Creationism. Both are a rejection of evolution theory. They propose that life is too complicated to arise naturally, and must have been designed by an intelligence.

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Just watch this video.
Quick summary of the video:
All the scientific discoveries that the bible had no idea of,
is amazing.
we don't understand any of the science,
so therefore it is GOD
oh but wait, we believe in aliens.
ok GOD exists.
Everything we learned from science, everything on this video is amazing. but God did it.

Lmao ..did you even read your link..
It gives a history if th origin of the term.....then breaks down modern subsets...of guess what ....secular intelligent design is listed .
Which if you had bothered to read....simulation theory would fall under

I was exactly correct intuitively .
Creationism arguments from theists created intelligent design.
It has grown into secular subsets .

Really read your own links lmao

Yes this is my point..memory in the Core sense, appear s to be nonlocal.
And functional memories appear to be nonlocal within functional areas.
Brain damage cases in general support this

For example in a novel I was attempting to pen, the antoganist could clone himself...cut out the smallest part of his brain, and transplant it to the clone ( maybe a quandary that it Hemisphere) download his memories, then make another clone after the memories downloaded( he would lose resolution, be a little foggy) and cut out a new Hemisphere , then transplant replacing the old , so as to prevent atrophy... and rinse and repeat.
He had like ten versions of himself,walking around fucking shit up

No it wouldn't. Even 'secular intelligent design' says animals were designed with forethought, independent of evolutionary processes, which goes against every version of simulation theory I'm aware of.

Sure, you could invent your own brand of simulation theory, that rejects evolution, but that wouldn't make simulation theory as a whole fall under the umbrella of intelligent design.

I'm not even sure to what you're referring because the term 'secular intelligent design' never appears on that wiki page.

Unless you want to co-opt the term 'intelligent design' and use it in a way that it wasn't intended (as a rejection of evolution theory) then you're wrong.



That's just your opinion. The consensus is not on your side, and as I said multiple times, holonomic brain theory is a fringe idea that has been largely rejected by the scientific community.

I doubt therefore I think therefore I am.
Did you create yourself? The fact that you are experiencing an existence is proof. According to the big bang theory there shouldn't be anything.. everything should be X'd out. Science can't EXPLAIN why we exist at all as it makes no sense..
It's obvious something made all this and even the math and science proves that we are simply unaware of what exactly GOD is.
You don't like religion and I don't blame you, but to act like you know 100 percent without a doubt that God does not exist is ignorant.

Here is a video for that ass.. now remember. I ONLY believe in God. Or a creator. Or an entity or whatever you want to call it. An energy maybe? Either way you must remember that God remains Undefined and so does Reality. Again I think Therefore I am.
Study the thought process that Des Cartes went through and see for yourself.. think about it. And be thankful that you were pulled from the darkness (pre birth) even if it might be temporary. Respect yourself and the life you live and the experiences that make you combined with your DNA and God's Perfect Plan..

Now once we accept that we are not God and that Their is a God, any and everything becomes possible.. so yes The devil and Jesus and their father who art in heaven and heaven and hell and whatever else their may be.. even Bigfoot is possible through the power of God.

I mean God ALREADY created all of existence and the 11 dimensions or however many there are.. maybe all these little Mini God's are possible or real.. I don't know that . But I do know and worship 5he one true God that Is beyond Infinity

That demonstrates that I exist.



No, my parents created me.



Of a god? No.



Not true at all.



How do you figure? 'God did it' isn't much of an explanation.



Unfortunately, science doesn't just assert what seems obvious. If you're unaware of what God is how can you say it exists?



I don't have absolute certainty about most things. If you propose something exists, the burden of proof is on you.



If you can't even define what it is you believe in, then you're speaking gibberish.



Again, that demonstrates I exist.



Nothing in De Carte's thought process proved or even evidenced a god.



Some people live short miserable lives full of suffering, and then die. I don't think they need to be thankful for that.



I was with you until the end. God's perfect plan? The world is far from perfect, and you've yet to demonstrate it was planned.

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If I'm being completely honest though, I only believe in myself and God . God can't be divided. Now I think therefore I am and that's about it. You and everything else could just be a figment of my imagination. Or it could be like the matrix where I'm sleeping or something. In other words . I don't even believe You exist or my mother or my father or even my children... Make Sense? Sounds a tad crazy but I only Believe in Myself and God really.. if we being honest.. I can't prove You or anyone actually exists... What if this is a simulation... Anyways I'm done here.. I await your responses you godless heathens! Hahaha jk

God's perfect plan doesn't mean perfect for you.. there are a lot of gears in motions that make everything possible. You think God's to blame for all the evil in the world or this "imperfect" world but fail to realize that it could still be a perfect world to God . Even my Nephew dying was apart of God's perfect plan. All this is.. as soon as it goes into the past we can rest assured that it was supposed to happen. Free will is an illusion I would think...

You place to many humanistic Characteristics on God.. shoot God could be enjoying all the pain and suffering for all we know.. maybe he enjoys both good and bad.. maybe he loves the Ying Yang aspect of it. Maybe it's necessary.. it isn't out job to understand it is our Job to simply exist.

And unless I'm God and created myself (Ultimately) then there is a God.. so yes I exist but I certainly didn't create DNA.. SMH. Can I ask why you want to not believe so bad? Is it educational is it emotional is it simply a religion for you? When did you become atheist?

I know God exists BECAUSE I can doubt, therefore I can think.. therefore I am..