im an atheist. debate me!

What's to debate?

There is no God, the fool has said in his heart.

GOD.

Speak for yourself. Most people can be convinced of something if they see evidence or hear a compelling argument.

I haven't found that to be the case. I find that most people who argue, do it for the thrill of arguing...and trying to prove themselves right....

Also, it's better not to throw pearls before... s____e.

If they are halfways open-minded, they can ask God Himself.... to see if He's real. Reference my post on the previous page for that.

So Santa and the Easter Bunny exist?

"In order to disbelieve something, you must first acknowledge that it exists."

I have been waiting for someone to state this. Bravo. That one sentence alone dispels any and all atheist's claims.

As a lifelong atheist who had his eyes opened, there's really nothing to debate. An atheist isn't going to "see" God no matter what I say, and I know because I was one for most of my life.

All I can say to atheists is that I hope God opens your eyes like he did mine. But be forewarned, at first, the power of God is TERRIFYING.

I'm not a Christian but not an atheist either, let me answer your questions.

1. No, science doesn't even scracth the surface, and neither does religion.
2. Political reasons.
3. Yes, nothing is unstable, so it is bound to become something.
4. Problem of evil.
5. Life is an origin unto itself.
6. Life itself, the soul.
7. No.
8. Every form is transitional, the problem is you don't understand evolutionary biology, genotypes, phenotypes, etc.
9. I live according to logic and common sense.
10. There is no your soul, the soul cannot be owned by individuals.

OK, I'm game for a bit... Answer these for me...

1. Do you really believe that science is the only answer to all of life's questions?
2. Why do atheists care if people worship God?
3. Can nothing create something?
4. How do you know God doesn't exist?
5. What is the origin of life?
6. Where does our morality come from?
7. If you had evidence of God, would you become a Christian?
8. If evolution is real, why are there no transitional forms in the present?
9. Do you live according to what you believe or do you live according to what you lack in belief?
10. If God exists, will you not lose your soul when you die?

If evolution theory is correct, mammals always had functioning sex organs. Mammals diverged from reptiles, which already had sex organs.

that is a theory, and more than anything a belief.
turtles do not have breasts. snakes do not have breasts.
mammal offspring require milk, reptiles and fish do not.

problem here is thinking we came from reptiles.
which poses the egg problem. reptiles lay eggs and mammals harbour them.
this requires completely different parts and organs.

how many generations did it take for this conversion to be successful and complete?

the answer again is in the question.




Because populations change at different rates.

thats hardly an answer.

ill remind you that many fish, turtles, crocodiles, insects, dragonflies, and ferns and palm trees have not changed for millions and millions of years.

thje true answer is that when a species starts to change, they 99.9 % change for the worse and go extinct.

this is called devolution, the opposite of what evolution teaches.



We directly observe beneficial mutations.

which is a far and few in between.
an example was the cheetah, isolated in low numbers during the last ice age, the cheetah resorted to a limited gene pool, which resulted in inbreeding. the result was a deformed cat with a long body and a small head. the accidental benefit to this was that it became very fast.
the downside is that they get many diseases and die younger than other wild cats.

is this really beneficial in the long term? hardly... it's a temporary benefit, if that.

OK, I'm game for a bit... Answer these for me...

1. Do you really believe that science is the only answer to all of life's questions?
2. Why do atheists care if people worship God?
3. Can nothing create something?
4. How do you know God doesn't exist?
5. What is the origin of life?
6. Where does our morality come from?
7. If you had evidence of God, would you become a Christian?
8. If evolution is real, why are there no transitional forms in the present?
9. Do you live according to what you believe or do you live according to what you lack in belief?
10. If God exists, will you not lose your soul when you die?

God made man from clay

Darwin made man from the premordial slim.


Clay sounds better so I'll go with that.

God made man from clay

Darwin made man from the premordial slim.


Clay sounds better so I'll go with that.

No, the answer is not in the question. You have to look at the evidence.

yes it is, in the word generation. you cannot regenerate without the required parts being unavailable. especially when the code to build the parts is in the dna, of which the next generation requires to generate.

The first mammal like reptiles (which we call synapsids) appear in the fossil record 312 million years ago. True mammals don't appear until 178 million years ago. We've found many transitional fossils, that when aligned chronologically, show the gradual migration of two reptilian jaw bones into the 2 inner ear bones found in mammals.

you have not found any transitional fossils, otherwise you would be able to name them. Just because certain species have similiar designs, does not mean one came from the other. this is like assuming that since nintendo and sony both have controllers, they evolved from the same machine, therefore they must be the same machine, because they both have controllers.




Synapsids layed eggs. They were followed by monotremes like the platypus and echidna. Monotremes also lay eggs, but they have hair and produce milk. They don't have nipples though, instead they produce milk from modified sweat glands on their skin. Next, there were marsupials, which were followed by placental mammals.

how many generations of evolution did it take for the monotreme to learn how to excrete milk?
again the answer is in the question..

A lot of the information you're after is already available. I don't know the exact number of generation, but it took hundreds of millions of years to go from reptiles to placental mammals.

impossible, it would have to happen in one generation for a total and viable conversion. otherwise you are passing on broken dna to an offspring that will not be able to regenerate. not even mentioning the instinct factor that goes with nursing a mammal or the fact that many species have short lives.



that's not true. They have changed. They just haven't changed much relatively speaking.

after 100's of millions of years, with tiny amount of genetic damaged considered, yes they wont be exact. however they are very very close. insects have gotten smaller, but are exactly the same. we know because of atmosphere conditions have made them smaller.



That's not true at all. You're just talking out of your ass. There is no devolution. Any heritable change that occurs over generations is evolution by definition. 99% of all species to have ever existed have gone extinct, but every species evolves.

thats because you are speaking from the premise that everything came from a microbe. again you fail to answer how a microbe evolved any sexual organ, or how long that would take for a viable organ. every species devolves, when you understand that every species was assembled in perfect working order at start, rather then "self assemble" itself into perfect working order as you believe. especially when you consider the nervous systems being electrical and having finite current and voltages for the species to operate. Any one who knows PHYSICS knows you are talking out your ass when you assume electricity can safely regulate itself, especially when it comes to the heart. Electricity doesn't evolve, it gets harnessed, of which you need someone with knowledge to do. microbes do not have that knowledge, they only have a program.




I guess we'll have to see if the cheetah goes extinct. however, all cats descended from a common ancestor. Lions, tigers, cheetahs, they all appeared through the process of evolution.

from panthera, and they didn't evolve. The panthera generations have devolved! some went extinct like sabertooth, some are going extinct like cheetah, and some are flourishing, like the tabby. yet comparing the tabby with panthera, one does not say that the tabby evolved better than panthera, but that it has devolved comfortably into acceptance

but women was taken to labratory and made.
every man who came after, came from Eve, the mother of all living.

you are hardly the man that Adam was, just sayin

okaaaaa?

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OK, I'm game for a bit... Answer these for me...

1. Do you really believe that science is the only answer to all of life's questions?
2. Why do atheists care if people worship God?
3. Can nothing create something?
4. How do you know God doesn't exist?
5. What is the origin of life?
6. Where does our morality come from?
7. If you had evidence of God, would you become a Christian?
8. If evolution is real, why are there no transitional forms in the present?
9. Do you live according to what you believe or do you live according to what you lack in belief?
10. If God exists, will you not lose your soul when you die?

yes it is, in the word generation. you cannot regenerate without the required parts being unavailable. especially when the code to build the parts is in the dna, of which the next generation requires to generate.

you have not found any transitional fossils, otherwise you would be able to name them. Just because certain species have similiar designs, does not mean one came from the other. this is like assuming that since nintendo and sony both have controllers, they evolved from the same machine, therefore they must be the same machine, because they both have controllers.

how many generations of evolution did it take for the monotreme to learn how to excrete milk?
again the answer is in the question..

Thread: If Everything is Evolved then how did CONSCIOUSNESS Evolve?

That's gibberish. What are you talking about?

biology and how dna works



I named the group synapsids, genius. Go look them up. You didn't ask for the names of transitionals, you asked how many generations it took, which is a stupid question. Every generation had functioning sex organs. If a mutation prevents the sex organs from functioning, they won't reproduce, and it will be removed from the genepool.

Game consoles don't evolve because they don't reproduce.

your theory of evolution suggests everything came from a microbe. how do you tell a male microbe from a female microbe? the answer is you cannot. so if we came from microbes as your religion suggests, how long did it take sexual organs, and the "egg" to evolve?

game consoles and machines are the only thing that technically evolve. meaning they get better as time goes on, not breakdown and go extinct like devolution.





The answer isn't in the question you lunatic. You need to actually investigate.

You don't get it. Monotremes always produced milk. They didn't learn to produce milk, it's part of their biology. It's difficult to say how long it took for a gland to start producing milk, because they don't fossilize. How would we know the exact number of generations?

so if they ALWAYS produced milk, then they were assembled in perfect working order in the beginning, hence the dna code was inserted into them, and not acquired though the breaking down of devolution.




What? That's stupid. I already told you about monotremes, which don't have nipples. Their modified sweatglands are a precursor to nipples. So that right there is a viable transition between no nipples and nipples. There were likely many stages in between these.

first you have to find a monotreme with nipples, and compare a monotreme with no nipples, then you have a transitional fossil. otherwise you have assumptions that dont add up



Yes. Crocodiles for instance mutate at one quarter of the rate of birds. Humans have an average of 100 mutations per generation. If an animal is already suited to its environment, then mutations that change it will be less likely to be passed on.

mutations and dna damage are not brought on by just environment. diet and inbreeding play a major role.
but even after millions and millions of years, a three year old can look at a crocodile fossil and tell you it's a crocodile in 3 seconds. Ultimately proving that evolution doesn't happen as fast as the evolutionist likes to think, therefore the evolutionist has to believe



No, I'm not. Nothing I said involved microbes.

when I talk about evolution, I always address the elephant in the room



Again? You never even asked me about microbes. What are you talking about?

talking evolution right? it goes hand in hand



1, that's not what I believe.
2, the evidence does not support your position.

I know, you believe we came from microbes, but cant answer how they wound up being animals and people

You say everything was made perfect from the start, yet there are no horses, chickens, cats, monkeys, or birds in the triassic period. We don't find any whales, or goats living with dinosaurs. Every fossil fits perfectly into the timeline predicted by evolution theory.

you didnt find any fossils, yet. all the animals you mentioned are degenerates of what they once were. horses and chickens have been bred purposely to what they are today. cat's too. monkeys are degenerates of an ancient humanoid. of which we all came from. lost tribes with limited gene pools perhaps, just like the cheetah. thus they rapidly change, then they will go extinct, as do all species that rapidly change."



Gibberish. Most physicists are on my side.
hardly,
"God does not play dice with the universe." Einstein
suggesting that nothing is random, even biology.
I could name more... but you have google



Electricity doesn't evolve because it doesn't reproduce. It's not alive. An inanimate piece of metal can harness electricity. It doesn't need knowledge.

throw an inanimate piece of metal on the power line and see how well it harnesses electricity. it cannot self reflect on knowledge therefore it becomes naturally destructive. yet our bodies run on electricity, our eyes, ears, heart, brain, neurological system...finite electricity. that like you said, doesnt come naturally. so if it didn't come naturally...




Again, you don't get it. There is no devolving. Evolution is change in the heritable traits of a population over generations. That's what it means. If all cats diverged from a common ancestor, over generations, that is evolution. It doesn't matter if you think a tabby is worse than a sabertooth. All that matters is if it can successfully reproduce.

That's gibberish. What are you talking about?

biology and how dna works...