To worship God causes only separation from Him

The post is clearly satanic. You worship the creation not the creator and therefore elevate yourself to "godlike". Have fun with all that...

Oh for the love....

Clearly anything in deep understanding of the Creator is satanic

Really?

So you're saying that ALL the times that any of the Old Testament writers use the phrase 'thus saith the LORD' - it wasn't really Father God speaking?

The phrase "thus saith the LORD" occurs 415 times in 413 verses in the KJV.

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You might want to rethink that statement you made.

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Father God TOLD Jesus what to say.

John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

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Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The prophets are the exception when they said "Thus sayeth the Lord". However, that does not mean that everything a prophet said or wrote was directly from the Creator as the test of prophecy for speaking in the name of the Creator was death if they were wrong.

The Creator speaks to us even today if we pay attention, but it is more indirect than it was for Moses or the prophets. Moses had a direct relationship according to scripture. With the prophets, direct input from the Creator was more sporadic. Then prophecy quit altogether and you can see that Daniel was not a direct prophet, but had indirect communication through angels that interpreted his dreams and visions.

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Who's the ONLY witness to the people and events of the Book of Genesis?

Father God - the Creator.

Did Moses actually write it all down or was it 'orally transmitted' until a later time? We don't know.

In the early 6th Century BC, at the end of the Babylonian Exile, there was no written copy of the Torah nor the preceeding writings by the prophets.

God had angels dictate the books to scribes of Ezra.

Deuteronomy 34:9-11
New American Standard Bible
9 Now Joshua the son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom, because Moses had laid his hands on him; and the sons of Israel listened to him and did as the Lord had commanded Moses. 10 Since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 for all the signs and wonders which the Lord sent him to perform in the land of Egypt against Pharaoh, all his servants, and all his land—

The Creator's communication was direct and continual with Moses. The other prophets spoke for the Creator at times as needed.

You are correct. We simply don't know if Moses wrote it down or if it was orally transmitted. Moses was raised in Pharaoh's house and would have been highly educated. The Egyptians knew how to write so it is reasonable that Moses did as well. But, at this point all we have is speculation.

We also don't know if there were any ancient copies of the Torah since none have survived or have been discovered yet.

There is much history that has been changed or hidden from us....

Honest question....

Do you believe every word of the first five books to be authentic, with no deletions, additions or manipulation by man over these thousands of years?

By man, I'm including filters of self ago, ruling authorities, self promotion, etc? Over thousands of years of verbal passings, via scrolls and scrutinized by governing censorship..

Kinda like what we're experiencing today?

Wow, great question! The "people" of the book went to great lengths to insure that every jot and tittle was preserved exactly or the Torah scroll was destroyed. So I do think the Torah has mostly come down in tack. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls indicates that the Torah has had some minor alternations (small portions of text missing in today's Torah).

So the Torah has remained relatively unchanged since the second century BCE. It could have been altered more substantially prior to the second century BCE. There is no way of knowing unless older Torah scrolls are discovered.....

Where politics got involved was with the rabbinical interpretations of the Torah. As I mentioned earlier, there is the Creator's word and then there is man's interpretation of it. Scripture can be interpreted to control a narrative like we are seeing today.

A further complication is that you really can't trust a translation from the original language. In other words, you have to speak and read the original language to get the full meaning from the Torah.

Thanks for hearing my perspective on this topic!

Yes, agree that they did ..

Are you certain that hasn't been compromised over time? And we know who the "creator " of time is.

No, I am not certain it has not been corrupted to some extent. We live in a world of lies and will be surprised at all of the deceit in this false reality.

That is why there is a need to go within and test everything observed in this reality. The only truth for sure is within when you strengthen your bond to the Source Energy from the Creator.

But even as you go within to ascend, question everything and everyone as there are both malevolent and benevolent entities in the levels of consciousness that you travel through.

There is sooooooooo much truth, knowledge, wisdom in the scripts, but not as taught to us over the years...

Such love embedded within the letters, nothing that have been indoctrinated with.

100 percent agree with you Satya! Love is the key in connecting to the Creator and those that we interact with...

Truth, knowledge, and wisdom are the prizes that we search for.

Enjoy the Grand Adventure that we are in! Blessings to you!

Thread: Knowledge Wisdom Truth and the Wise - KJV Bible Study

Lets take a look into the etymology of the English word ‘worship’ so that we can have a clearer comprehension as to what this word carries.

Worship is derived from the Old English weorþscipe, meaning to venerate "worship, honour shown to an object,[2] which has been etymologised as "worthiness or worth-ship"—to give, at its simplest, worth to something.

Now, in the Hebrews/Aramaic, the root word for worship is a permutation for the word for oil, which is the same word for anointing, the same word for measurement, which is the same root for Meshiach - Messiah - Christ. So ‘worship, honor’ is connected to the measurement of the anointing - christ consciousness - the measure of oil that is held within the lamp.


When the fire of God is leading you into worship/honor, by way of the living waters within the heart, one finds life from the place of where they were once separated/fenced off. The anointed are those who cleansed themselves through the washing of the water (word/frequencies/light) and have the fire of god within, as generating life, as worship, as honor, completed no longer separated from life but are as it. They carry the oil in their lamp. They are the oil. They have the Christ within - the oil/anointing. Their measurement is that they became it, as it, revealed through their burning hearts full of light love. They are the light of the world who burn brightly.

So, as I posted at the beginning of this thread, to externalize your object of worship is to separate yourself from God. To worship that which is the oil of the anointing within yourself, that is true worship of God.

Sounds paradoxical? A deep pondering will enlighten the matter for you.

:Shaanti:

Have you ever met your higher self and hugged)-(merged as one?

I haven't "met" or "hugged" my higher self, but I do "work" through it!!!

I have become aware of my "guardian" angel, and how he helps me ALL the time.... I call him Rasa.

And I have my divine counterpart, we work together through our higher selves.

You?

Spirit Orb hovers above the waters and makes spiritual Contact with your inner waters to light the seed/ Word.

The parable is as follows: And he said, “The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground. He sleeps and rises night and day, and the seed sprouts and grows; he knows not how. The earth produces by itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear.

The doubt..knowing something is way off with this world is the beginning of Wisdom. Seeking answers from the True God source alone.

Doubt is the precursor of inquiry ; leading and drawing inner questioning inquiry which leads to Evidence ; Evidence is the foundation of Wisdom ; and Wisdom is the parent of Liberty and Power.

We pick holes in the fabric of men's Knowledge
wherever it is weak and faulty; and when these places
are properly mended, the whole of the building becomes
more firm and solid than it was before.



We strip off the old personality and clean our slate to start over from the very bottom foundation of Truth.




In the ages of ignorance, it was a crime to doubt ; now it is the sign of intelligence.

That's why The Seekers are dangerous to their agenda of control. They see through the farce and died to it..




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But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Good one! Thanks!

....good thread, OP, I'm just 1/2 way through & wanted to stop reading to comment on "worship".

So many concepts on what worship means, and on all the levels that have been commented upon, ....have their value....to someone.

I personally find value in the inner "Father/Creator" connection. Mostly because it's a constant and "close" connection. Always available any time, place or circumstance.

And "worship" as I see & feel it, is personal & private. No need for external showing....as it should be for co-creators to the will of the Creator. Nor is it a giving up your sovereignty as an individual!

It's a relationship that is honed & fine tuned over time. And like all important relationships we find in this world ....friendships, parent/child, lover/beloved... they are based & supported by loving exchange.

I'd say worship on this level with the Father/Creator is not limited to any dogma or tenant of religious following. I find it's a clearer perspective of how to travel one's journey. Because "GOD" is right their beside you all of the way through ....and beyond

Thanks again for this thread, ....I've caught up with your comments and realizations, Satya

and danialbarzohar for your comments as well...

much appreciated

nice to run into others here on the same page in life

Depends if you do it in private he doesn't care for public shows and insincerity

To worship Religions causes only separation from Him.