What Organization or Fraternity has the Oldest Rosicrucian “Lineage” in our modern world? | |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | at the bottom, they get to wrong conclusions and are evil... Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog sorry to say that... georgia guidestones are made by them.... No way were they the creation of the spiritual descendants of Max Heindel. The name "rosicrucian" is one abused -- especially by... LOL one other "story"... they said that they have had bones of jesus christ-person that has not existed, and wanted to clone him.... one member was that fraud einstain who stole that E=mc2 from italian guy, since onestone worked in pattern office... and so on.... best to avoid in long range circle.... i do not say that those people are all evil , but.... Einsein did steal Relativity -- from Lorentz and Poincare. So, not so far from the truth. But believe what you want. they were and are competing with illuminati on contacting the ETs.... that is summa summarum of a whole story.... Last Edited by PsihoLog on 01/02/2022 06:34 PM |
here&back
User ID: 38487486 United States 01/02/2022 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Asuralikeproduction
User ID: 58392696 United States 01/02/2022 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, if you’re a authentic Alchemist, then you’re a true Rosicrucian; and vice-versa. Like I said on the previous page of this thread, I highly doubt that any person using the name Rosicrucian these days is a actual Rosicrucian. Authentic Alchemy seems difficult to find. I would say that there are a few living Tibetan Lamas still teaching, who are true Alchemists.... Last Edited by Asuralikeproduction on 01/02/2022 06:12 PM |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, if you’re a authentic Alchemist, then you’re a true Rosicrucian; and vice-versa. Like I said on the previous page of this thread, I highly doubt that any person using the name Rosicrucian these days is a actual Rosicrucian. Authentic Alchemy seems difficult to find. I would say that there are a few living Tibetan Lamas still teaching, who are true Alchemists.... explained... |
Asuralikeproduction
User ID: 58345698 United States 01/02/2022 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Thorbulla
User ID: 81733327 United States 01/02/2022 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice thread OP, thanks for bringing up this topic. Quoting: Terrebonne My Father was an active member of the The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC. We lived I San Jose and Sunnyvale just a short distance from the Museum at Rosicrucian Park. I spent many hours exploring the Museum at Rosicrucian Park. The New Alchemy Museum at Rosicrucian Park [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] . I've been there many times. Grew up in Saratoga. I had a friend who was a member of the order. She was also a MENSA member. I tried a few times to ask about joining the Rosicrucian and she would not answer any questions about it at all ever. She was and still is a freak. She's over sexualized gender confused and into some questionably dark things as well as fully socialist. In hindsight, it's better I never got involved in the Rosicrucian stuff. ---Thorbulla |
Asuralikeproduction
User ID: 57452880 United States 01/02/2022 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Builder is Back
User ID: 78052087 01/02/2022 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Builder is Back No way were they the creation of the spiritual descendants of Max Heindel. The name "rosicrucian" is one abused -- especially by... LOL one other "story"... they said that they have had bones of jesus christ-person that has not existed, and wanted to clone him.... one member was that fraud einstain who stole that E=mc2 from italian guy, since onestone worked in pattern office... and so on.... best to avoid in long range circle.... i do not say that those people are all evil , but.... Einsein did steal Relativity -- from Lorentz and Poincare. So, not so far from the truth. But believe what you want. they were and are competing with illuminati on contacting the ETs.... that is summa summarum of a whole story.... Well, I don't want to contact anyone. But I have never been a real joiner, I suppose. My association with both Rosicrucianism and Theosophy were a relative blip in my life. AKA Tiger Blood |
Asuralikeproduction
User ID: 57452880 United States 01/02/2022 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is about meditation.... Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog transfering lead-color of brain into a gold-illuminated mind.... very easy.... Well there is the Path of Renunciation (Sutrayana (divided into Pratimoksa and Paramitayana)), the Path of Transformation (Tantra or Alchemy), and the Path of Self Liberation (Dzogchen, Mahasandhi, or Yungdrung Bön). You mentioned Hashashins in your signature.... Interesting. |
Asuralikeproduction
User ID: 57452880 United States 01/02/2022 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog LOL one other "story"... they said that they have had bones of jesus christ-person that has not existed, and wanted to clone him.... one member was that fraud einstain who stole that E=mc2 from italian guy, since onestone worked in pattern office... and so on.... best to avoid in long range circle.... i do not say that those people are all evil , but.... Einsein did steal Relativity -- from Lorentz and Poincare. So, not so far from the truth. But believe what you want. they were and are competing with illuminati on contacting the ETs.... that is summa summarum of a whole story.... Well, I don't want to contact anyone. But I have never been a real joiner, I suppose. My association with both Rosicrucianism and Theosophy were a relative blip in my life. thing is in some basics.... from which basic you start ... if you try meditation with some agenda, you fail.... basics like, early education, family background, do you seek anything and so on.... those who do it with pure heart, achieve something, get answers.... |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is about meditation.... Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog transfering lead-color of brain into a gold-illuminated mind.... very easy.... Well there is the Path of Renunciation (Sutrayana (divided into Pratimoksa and Paramitayana)), the Path of Transformation (Tantra or Alchemy), and the Path of Self Liberation (Dzogchen, Mahasandhi, or Yungdrung Bön). You mentioned Hashashins in your signature.... Interesting. yup... three paths.... left hand, middle pillar and right hand path/s, in a such a manner would be known to us westerners... but, those ways are usually , in origin, from quaballah.... true, westerners way, is wicca.... as... wise guys.... (some would kill me for inscribing this on some other forum, but this is GLP, our rules are our own).... south americans do have for example, celestine prophecy way.... proper pagan/christian way is also , hidden in plain sight... from movie the da vinci code..."pagans worshiped balance between male "gods" and "godess" ".... Last Edited by PsihoLog on 01/02/2022 07:27 PM |
Builder is Back
User ID: 79688307 United States 01/02/2022 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Builder is Back Einsein did steal Relativity -- from Lorentz and Poincare. So, not so far from the truth. But believe what you want. they were and are competing with illuminati on contacting the ETs.... that is summa summarum of a whole story.... Well, I don't want to contact anyone. But I have never been a real joiner, I suppose. My association with both Rosicrucianism and Theosophy were a relative blip in my life. thing is in some basics.... from which basic you start ... if you try meditation with some agenda, you fail.... basics like, early education, family background, do you seek anything and so on.... those who do it with pure heart, achieve something, get answers.... We would be in agreement on that. AKA Tiger Blood |
Farlander
User ID: 74256267 United States 01/02/2022 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hidden Ones definitely. Those guys that wear hoods and have little dagger blades on their forearms and they assassinate Templars while remaining anonymous and investigating wealth, mysteries, and artifacts--it's definitely them. |
No_v_Amy
User ID: 81715613 United States 01/02/2022 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve been delving into Rosicrucianism, and I am currently analyzing Fama Fraternitatis. Trying to learn all that I can about the Order/Brotherhood. It’s truly interesting and there are many concepts held by the group that I agree with. John Dee and Sir Francis Bacon were allegedly members and they contributed a great deal (understatement) to Western Civilization. It has become clear to me that the Rosicrucian Order was active in Early America and, likewise, worked to promote the cultural/governmental recognition of Religious Freedom. Quoting: _Seraphim_ I won’t name them, but I have observed that there are quite a few modern Organizations that lay claim to being the “oldest” and “most authentic” present-day incarnation of the original Rosicrucian Fraternity. Some seem to focus entirely on the Spiritual aspects of the original teachings, but if I understand correctly there is a lot more involved in “true” Rosicrucianism than Spirituality- including the physical Art of Alchemy, Rites of Passage, the serious study of Ancient and Antediluvian Civilizations, etc. My question is this: Which one is actually the most “authentic,” carrying the unbroken Traditions and Sciences that were integral to original Rosicrucianism? I understand that the “secret” aspect of Secret Societies is an important part of their ideology- so I do not expect them to be easily found. And I absolutely understand “why” the Rosicrucians chose to be so secretive during a time when religious persecution was the norm for any whose beliefs slightly differed from the nuances of era-specific Institutional doctrine. I appreciate your collective knowledge, GLP. This is a very curious subject that interests me greatly. I have found the literary work of Manly P. Hall to be quite profound, as well. Truly amazing stuff, especially when seen through the lens of Graham Hancock’s arguments and evidence indicating the existence of previous Advanced Civilizations. God Bless. — I would say Army ~a |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hidden Ones definitely. Quoting: Farlander Those guys that wear hoods and have little dagger blades on their forearms and they assassinate Templars while remaining anonymous and investigating wealth, mysteries, and artifacts--it's definitely them. templars=banking system=slavery..... "in "god" we trust"..... |
Unclefungus
User ID: 81698529 United States 01/02/2022 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve been delving into Rosicrucianism, and I am currently analyzing Fama Fraternitatis. Trying to learn all that I can about the Order/Brotherhood. It’s truly interesting and there are many concepts held by the group that I agree with. John Dee and Sir Francis Bacon were allegedly members and they contributed a great deal (understatement) to Western Civilization. It has become clear to me that the Rosicrucian Order was active in Early America and, likewise, worked to promote the cultural/governmental recognition of Religious Freedom. Quoting: _Seraphim_ I won’t name them, but I have observed that there are quite a few modern Organizations that lay claim to being the “oldest” and “most authentic” present-day incarnation of the original Rosicrucian Fraternity. Some seem to focus entirely on the Spiritual aspects of the original teachings, but if I understand correctly there is a lot more involved in “true” Rosicrucianism than Spirituality- including the physical Art of Alchemy, Rites of Passage, the serious study of Ancient and Antediluvian Civilizations, etc. My question is this: Which one is actually the most “authentic,” carrying the unbroken Traditions and Sciences that were integral to original Rosicrucianism? I understand that the “secret” aspect of Secret Societies is an important part of their ideology- so I do not expect them to be easily found. And I absolutely understand “why” the Rosicrucians chose to be so secretive during a time when religious persecution was the norm for any whose beliefs slightly differed from the nuances of era-specific Institutional doctrine. I appreciate your collective knowledge, GLP. This is a very curious subject that interests me greatly. I have found the literary work of Manly P. Hall to be quite profound, as well. Truly amazing stuff, especially when seen through the lens of Graham Hancock’s arguments and evidence indicating the existence of previous Advanced Civilizations. God Bless. — All roads lead to Nimrod I wear shoes |
7..X.LePsihoLog
User ID: 78738124 Croatia 01/02/2022 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question is this: Which one is actually the most “authentic,” carrying the unbroken Traditions and Sciences that were integral to original Rosicrucianism? Quoting: _Seraphim_ I would say Army=corporational/banking slaves/mercenaries..... Last Edited by PsihoLog on 01/02/2022 08:38 PM |
NostraAnus
User ID: 81498250 United Kingdom 01/02/2022 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That would be the invisible order. The true followers of the knowledge of Thoth/Hermes. Not those who have usurped the knowledge for the enslavement of mankind. I saw it coming - it was an Inevitability Fatality. Truth Ranger. Ipso Facto. Inevitability. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Truth is like the sun... |
Asuralikeproduction
User ID: 58350400 United States 01/02/2022 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hidden Ones definitely. Quoting: Farlander Those guys that wear hoods and have little dagger blades on their forearms and they assassinate Templars while remaining anonymous and investigating wealth, mysteries, and artifacts--it's definitely them. [link to www.theosociety.org (secure)] It starts to get interesting scrolling down to page 380^. Last Edited by Asuralikeproduction on 01/02/2022 09:33 PM |
mutsugoro_11
User ID: 70403695 United States 01/02/2022 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
da kat
User ID: 81134772 United States 01/02/2022 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Incidentally many of the chemists & Sandoz family of Switzerland are Rosicrucians, one family member has a huge Biodynamic farm in Brazil. According to a psychedelic insider they have a connection to ancient Greek mystic initiations using tainted Rye Ergot—they had an ancient process to get an LSD effect for initiation rituals that were transformative. My source claims the Rosicrucians at Sandoz decided the world was in peril after brutal world wars & it was time to release this latest incarnation of one of their secret libations. |
double diamond
User ID: 76010206 United States 01/02/2022 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
DavidHansonsRoboticBaphomet
User ID: 73085528 United States 01/02/2022 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or I should say: and never was. Max Heindel’s, Rudolf Steiner’s, and Arnold Krumm-Heller’s groups may have at least had a connection to the original Rosicrucian stream.... But none of those really embraced the eastern elements nearly as much as the highly disregarded Crowley which everyone seems to disparage but never actually read let alone use to help real development or initiation. It's almost like glp only talks about certain topics to further ensure as many people as possible reinforce their laziness and disinfo. |
Vafþrúðnir
User ID: 81704688 United States 01/02/2022 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
da kat
User ID: 81033266 United States 01/03/2022 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or I should say: and never was. Max Heindel’s, Rudolf Steiner’s, and Arnold Krumm-Heller’s groups may have at least had a connection to the original Rosicrucian stream.... But none of those really embraced the eastern elements nearly as much as the highly disregarded Crowley which everyone seems to disparage but never actually read let alone use to help real development or initiation. It's almost like glp only talks about certain topics to further ensure as many people as possible reinforce their laziness and disinfo. Crowley has a writing about the highest ritual involves the sacrifice of a young male virgin, his followers try to shrug it off as an "allegory" besides calling himself "666 the Great Beast" which is a bit grandiose considering most never heard of him. His Tarot is among the best though & he did have extensive occult background but seemed misled by a materialist perspective. |
DavidHansonsRoboticBaphomet
User ID: 73085528 United States 01/03/2022 01:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or I should say: and never was. Max Heindel’s, Rudolf Steiner’s, and Arnold Krumm-Heller’s groups may have at least had a connection to the original Rosicrucian stream.... But none of those really embraced the eastern elements nearly as much as the highly disregarded Crowley which everyone seems to disparage but never actually read let alone use to help real development or initiation. It's almost like glp only talks about certain topics to further ensure as many people as possible reinforce their laziness and disinfo. Crowley has a writing about the highest ritual involves the sacrifice of a young male virgin, his followers try to shrug it off as an "allegory" besides calling himself "666 the Great Beast" which is a bit grandiose considering most never heard of him. His Tarot is among the best though & he did have extensive occult background but seemed misled by a materialist perspective. You're confusing his quote about jacking off a certain amount of times per year as an allegory and his chapter on the bloody sacrifice which talks about the underlying theory of sacrifice where he mentions that of a child would be the highest, as compared to that of mere animals as per Liber 777. But I know that most people want to believe the former interpretation because it's more in line with their projection and misconceptions and weaponization thereof. And not sure how the Thoth tarot is materialistic, I think Frieda Harris geometrical insights and his embedded qablistic imagery helps one learn the correspondences. |
Peter Quill
User ID: 81055476 United States 01/03/2022 01:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, You have the right person answering You. No lineage is the best or oldest, their is just no such thing. Some are more traditional and others more liberal. I'd say though that the inner order of some magical orders is your best bet. AO for example. SRIA is really Golden Dawn and a weak attempt at restoring Plumbers work. It's snobby and not well maintained. You can apply though if Sandra or Dave will to talk to You but I doubt it. [link to sria.org (secure)] Frater PS I understand the need, the quest, VERY noble but You'd do better to look directly into The Golden Dawn or The OTO. The OTO probably being a lot more accepting of new members. LVX Last Edited by Peter Quill on 01/03/2022 03:09 AM Guardian |
Vivarium
User ID: 79581954 United States 01/03/2022 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or I should say: and never was. Max Heindel’s, Rudolf Steiner’s, and Arnold Krumm-Heller’s groups may have at least had a connection to the original Rosicrucian stream.... That's interesting. Why do you say that? I used to be a member of AMORC. I stopped and changed my belief system back to the Christian faith awhile back. Maybe you're just paranoid, pudders. |