Question for the anti-bank, anti-lending and anti-crypto crowd (who believe all 3) | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When people can’t simplify ideas and boil them down into easily understood pieces of information, there’s a very good chance those aren’t good ideas or their ideas. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82070612 The cartoons created by Paul Grignon of British Columbia meet your LOW level of comprehension. Link provided several posts back. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The easy credit; tight credit cycle by which the bankers scoop up ownership of everything was recognized by President Jackson. Jackson commissioned William Gouge who wrote “A Short History of Paper Money and Banking in the United States (Philadelphia: T.W. Ustick, 1833; reprinted August M Kelley, 1968) 34” This book can be found in the library here: [link to www.complementarycurrency.org] President Jackson later stopped the bankers. I personally digitized that report from a hardcover book in my possession. [link to www.complementarycurrency.org] The point is that the present system is not working for the people. Belief that somehow the present system is “perfect” and you just need to learn how to use it is in my opinion as backward as using flat-earth maps from the year 1300 to navigate the globe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Auriti; Induction of Value to Money and the Ownership Thereafter: [link to www.gdrc.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catching the attention of the bureaucrats Stop paying them. Two thefts took place in the 1930s; everyone knows the first – the roundup of gold. Very few comprehend the second sequential theft. You see, once redemption of paper money by specie (precious metals) stops, by default the paper money becomes a unit of credit backed by the common credit of the people. Uncle Sam stole your credit [card] in an act of identity theft. This identity theft was the implementation of the fifth plank of the communist manifesto. The common credit of the people is claimed to be the property of the government. The government in turn assigned the common credit of the people to the banks who now loan the people's credit back to the people at interest. The banks, and the elites who own and control the banks are profiting by trafficking in stolen property. We the people are due a very large claw-back of property of all descriptions. Most people, reading this brief introduction, will conclude [incorrectly] that redemption of paper money by specie coinage must be resumed. My argument is quite different. My argument is that paper money and electronic money are quite adequate. The common credit of the people using various promises to create and deliver value in the future is a good and valid type of money system. It is my argument that money is actually a communication and the monetary communications of the people between each other may be carried by a plethora of devices already in common usage. What needs then in my opinion are formalized answers to two problems. Problem one addresses the question; “How do I ascertain whether this monetary communication is true?” and the second question is really an extension of the first; “How am I guaranteed specific performance of contract?” What I propose is not a patchwork repair job on the existing system; what I propose is a radical redesign that returns ownership of the common credit to the people and the ownership and benefits of banking to the people as a whole. Answers to the two problems identified must be created and formalized in law. We can look to the Basque Cooperative (Spain) for a model of ownership in common with benefits to the people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When people can’t simplify ideas and boil them down into easily understood pieces of information, there’s a very good chance those aren’t good ideas or their ideas. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82070612 The cartoons created by Paul Grignon of British Columbia meet your LOW level of comprehension. Link provided several posts back. When you can’t put ideas into your own words, they aren’t your ideas. You’re some random guy on the internet. I’m not going to invest my time in random links posted by someone who likely doesn’t even understand what he is posting. If you can’t summarize in your own words what your thesis is in a succinct manner, you don’t fully grasp the ideas. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84811289 France 11/24/2022 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Say you want to buy a house. Should only people that have enough cash be able to buy? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42717143 If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold? If you don’t believe in lending and interest, are you a commie that wants other people’s money for nothing? Why should a random stranger give you their money to use for free? Seems like there is a segment of people who are anti anything financial (because they are financially illiterate) yet don’t have any realistic solutions on how things would work otherwise. your banques pay no appreciable interest on deposits that is the foundation of functional capitalism deposits>lending capital now apply your gibberish to israel |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not a single one of you can think of any answers, huh? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42717143 Says a lot. Dumbass, houses are only actually worth about 50 k. You are paying for tge location and amenities of the area. Stop falling for that and you don’t need banks, etc. Do you know what a cost manual is? Do you realize you can price a house out like that? If your house costs $50,000, it’s not much of a house. And of course you are paying for location. Do you think that is some inside secret or something? Lol And furthermore, what does that have to do with lending and banking??? Lol what a moran |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Say you want to buy a house. Should only people that have enough cash be able to buy? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42717143 If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold? If you don’t believe in lending and interest, are you a commie that wants other people’s money for nothing? Why should a random stranger give you their money to use for free? Seems like there is a segment of people who are anti anything financial (because they are financially illiterate) yet don’t have any realistic solutions on how things would work otherwise. your banques pay no appreciable interest on deposits that is the foundation of functional capitalism deposits>lending capital now apply your gibberish to israel Talk about gibberish |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Phelps County bank of Rollo Missouri is owned by the employees. An ESOP inspired system: [link to www.mypcb.com (secure)] Would you enjoy an ownership position in a commercial bank with profits returning as a secondary income fashion? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Phelps County bank of Rollo Missouri is owned by the employees. An ESOP inspired system: [link to www.mypcb.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84198874 Would you enjoy an ownership position in a commercial bank with profits returning as a secondary income fashion? You’re masturbatory spam of the thread is appearing to be an attempt to derail it. You still haven’t put any ideas into your own words or clearly expressed your point of view in a summarized form. If you can’t do that, you don’t grasp what you’re saying. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Phelps County bank of Rollo Missouri is owned by the employees. An ESOP inspired system: [link to www.mypcb.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84198874 Would you enjoy an ownership position in a commercial bank with profits returning as a secondary income fashion? Your masturbatory spam of the thread is appearing to be an attempt to derail it. You still haven’t put any ideas into your own words or clearly expressed your point of view in a summarized form. If you can’t do that, you don’t grasp what you’re saying. Fixed typo |
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User ID: 77238284 United States 11/24/2022 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42717143 So then you think only people that have enough cash to buy a house should own one? YES! And you do realize then that all housing ownership would essentially be corporations and the upper class? Not many people have a couple hundred thousand grand laying around. So you want the population to be forced renters to the elite and corporations and you want to take away the number one source of generational wealth for the average person? Lol did you really think about this, at all? lol not sure why it threw in “grand” in there. Just ignore that If people were homeless they would get off their asses and take their country back. People are going to need a dose of reality soon or it's all lost. INFJ/Conservative Artist |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is best illustrated at the Basque Cooperative in Spain where the Cooperative has paved the roads, built a hospital and a university while not incurring long term debt. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you do realize then that all housing ownership would essentially be corporations and the upper class? Not many people have a couple hundred thousand grand laying around. So you want the population to be forced renters to the elite and corporations and you want to take away the number one source of generational wealth for the average person? Lol did you really think about this, at all? lol not sure why it threw in “grand” in there. Just ignore that If people were homeless they would get off their asses and take their country back. People are going to need a dose of reality soon or it's all lost. What? So your idea is that people should go homeless so then they “take the country back”? Uh ok… |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070612 United States 11/24/2022 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Binary Capital principle ( [link to binarycapital.co.uk (secure)] ) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84198874 is best illustrated at the Basque Cooperative in Spain where the Cooperative has paved the roads, built a hospital and a university while not incurring long term debt. You haven’t noticed that no one is engaging with your masturbation posts? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's our money; Dr Ellen Brown: [link to itsourmoney.podbean.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/24/2022 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Open Money projects: [link to openmoney.org (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/25/2022 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Search string: Sheldon Emory "Billions for the bankers, Debts for the people" [link to duckduckgo.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/25/2022 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Time bank digital currency on the blockchain. The URL may or may not be safe; I am looking at this 25 page pdf whitepaper now: Time Bank digital currency; 25 page white paper: [link to tnb.fund (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/25/2022 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | About 2001 Professor Auriti of Italy posed the questions of how value is inducted to money and thereafter who is the owner? (Easily found by search) But prior to that by one hundred years the founders of the Austrian school of economics were debating a related question. This question is sort of "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" and no clear conclusion ever appeared. Ludwig von Mises on Credit and Money: [link to www.mises.ch (secure)] Take the time to read it; its only 300 pages. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/25/2022 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to the last 2-3 years searching for certain topics was easy and got accurate results. But you all already know that... G Edward Griffin in his book THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND put in chapter ten how double entry bookkeeping money is created. The chapter is titled THE MANDRAKE MECHANISM. Search for yourself, or go to this link: [link to blog.hasslberger.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84198874 United States 11/25/2022 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Great Pirates by Flemming Funch, 7 December 1994. In his book "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth", in the chapter "Origins of Specialization", Buckminster Fuller tells the story about what he calls "The Great Pirates". This is my greatly shortened version of it: [link to www.worldtrans.org] |