The War Against the Rapture.

The bible does not support any views of anything. It supports the truth and the truth alone. He said on the last day and that will be fulfilled regardless of any world views, in full view of the world on the last day exactly how and when he said it would.
Thats not open to alternative views, neither is the truth. Its the plumbline we come into agreement over, or perish absent of salvation.

Will revelation 16 suffice? What kind of moran are you??

The Seven Bowls of God’s Wrath
16 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”

Stopped using the foreign country AC accounts since i pointed out earlier, because you lack the courage to come out as the OP? Because all you do is cut and paste other peoples work instead of your own?

If your gonna start these bible threads, do your self and everyone else here a favor, and actually read it first.

Revelation 16 is a Chapter, not a verse.

The verse you quoted says nothing about The Tribulation / Great Tribulation being God's Wrath.

Tribulation is from the world, flesh and devil.

Wrath is from God.

There is a definitive time that the Wrath of God starts:

"For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Rev 6:17

That occurs at the 6th seal.

Everything BEFORE that point is Tribulation, everything AFTER that point is God's Wrath.

Easy to read it and see it, even for a moran like you.

Dude .. I'm not the OP.
Seriously.

I'm on the record as AGAINST the PreTribulation Rapture and FOR the PreWrath Rapture of the Church.

I should have picked up on that your actually a little dumber than her, i think she at least reads the bible.

Revelation chapter 16
Verse 1: And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Every single vile or bowl is Gods wrath in full strength.

The scripture is quite clear that all of tribulation is God's wrath upon all those who refuse Jesus Christ as their savior.
Deal with it.

Hey shitsak,

You don't even know what tribulation is.

I bet you think tribulation is Daniel's 70th Week, like the other preTrib Rapture morans.

Your verse above still does not have the word 'tribulation' in it.

Look for this word shitsak: tribulation

Asshole.

Obviously they are survivors and the sheep didn't get glorified bodies because the resurrection wasn't post tribulation.

If you're going to place the Sheep Goats judgement before the millennium, it doesn't negate the Pre-Tribulation rapture view.

Sheep are believers. They are called brothers. They are followers.

John 10:28
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

A post trib resurrection would leave no believers in original natural bodies which is why it is impossible and FALSE.


The Sheep-Goats judgement passes the sentence.
The Winepress executes the sentence.


Sheep-Goats judgement passing the sentence:

Joel 3:12
Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

The Winepress executing the sentence:

Joel 3:13
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

They are judged on their treatment of God's people, not on belief/unbelief (saved/unsaved)

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

They enter as natural unsaved men, friendly to the people of God.


If only saved believers enter the Kingdom, how are there innumerable rebels at the end of the millennium?
Where do they come from?
Certainly not from the saved and redeemed.

Of course, many offspring over the course of a 1000 years. Only takes 1 generation same as the time we live in. Satan is loosed again to deceive.

Maybe this verse might be convincing.

There are some others but this verse alone makes it clear that only believers will enter the Kingdom.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Looks to me like it has to be due to the believer's offspring.

Not everybody will choose to believe just as it happens today.

Well that's hardly anything to be proud of.

No, what I’m tired of is people like yourself on this subject, a so-called believer, who tears down God’s word through misinterpretation and is unwilling to learn because of your pride. A so-called believer who ridicules others with slandering and ad hominem attacks when you clearly don’t understand scripture. Do you think this does any good for people or God’s Kingdom?



You cannot refute a single thing I’ve said above scripturally, nothing. Zero.

Why? Because what you and others propose is not Biblical. Period.

Look at your remark above.

I represent the false church because I adhere to the biblically sound rescue of Christ’s bride? Really? Honestly? Pitiful friend, pitiful. You should be gathering for Christ’s wedding celebration, not scattering which is exactly what you and others are doing.


“The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

“But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

-Jesus

One Day

everyone will be most astonished.

That Day.

One Day

everything changes.

That Day.

Everyone will perish into the Abyss.

You need to take a course in Reading comprehension 101. But the Rapture is real, and there is a war against it. You word games don't change anything.

Which one?

There are many theories about the Rapture (harpazo).

Can you please direct me to a scripture that says exactly that?

"Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it." Jeremiah 30:7


Saved out of it .. not BEFORE it.

She has no love for her fellow Jesus followers and is more interested in her own doctrine, that opposes what God Himself has made simple so no one is deceived.
On the Last Day. When all of His are gathered together and taken up with Him. At the end of tribulation and the fulfillment of all He said would take place.

No one ever said that.

But you accuse

because that's your soul.

Only millions of saints have ever said that ...

That's all.

Accuse of what?

Trusting the Lord through tribulation?

Guess I'll be guilty then.


What a loser. Now you speak of someone else's soul?

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand." Romans 14:4

I don't mind you believing that.

I believe the Rapture is true

and trust in Jesus Christ no matter what.

Which one?

There are many theories about the Rapture ...

This is not a game. You will miss the Rapture if you are messing around and 'thinking about it.'

The one where Jesus takes us His believers to be with Him

until we return with Him.