The War Against the Rapture.

Oh, THAT one.

You make it so clear.

Well, I DO believe in the Rapture then.

So the Lord wants me to 'check my brain at the door', not use the brain He gave me, so that I don't miss the Rapture?

What if I am looking for Him at the wrong time?

It might be possible to deceive me, the very elect even, if I am looking at the wrong time.

Project Blue Beam was based on this type of deception.

No.

Never.

You are not looking for or expecting Him anytime soon, are you?

For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

1Thessalonians 5:9


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.

Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.

Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

2Corinthians 12:1-4


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

1Thessalonians 4:13-18


And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

1Thessalonians 3:12,13

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Jesus second coming as a warrior isnt just a rapture.

It judgement day morons. Scared of the Lord's pending doom on those still living under condemnation?
You sound like the idiots who believe God loves everyone, and we all eventually make it to heaven because their so many different ways to appease god.

Some of you are doomed because you lack God's discernment. You talk of His word as if its something you can comprehend without His Spirit.
Much like leaning on your own understanding as a sinner trying to understand something Holy beyond your comprehension.

When all of God's words in the bible are fulfilled, then will he reveal Himself, on the Last day!

"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 28:44-51

In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.

Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

Psalms 27:5

And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

1Thessalonians 3:12,13



at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

with all His saints.

Scripture plainly declares the Pre-Tribulation Rapture above.

Ask Jesus to allow you to see.

Pray that Jesus count you worthy.

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But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:34-36
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Will That Day come on you unexpectedly?

Are you not looking for and expecting Him now?

the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 28:44-51


The Master is coming soon.

What is your portion?

No one will be unaware of the Second Coming as it approaches...

They WILL be able to know the very day as it approaches...

As many others, I believe the COVID Vax is the main source of sorcery (Pharmakeia) that deceives all nations given in Revelation 18:23.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of
the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy
merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations
deceived.

As for the first part of that verse that says "the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride will be heard no more at all in thee", I believe it is specifically referring to the rapture that follows the COVID VAX deception.

It's coming soon.

Absolutely on the Last Day He raptures those in Christ unto Himself in the air. Those left behind are imprisoned for a thousand years.

There is a close counterfeit to the event though, and make no mistake its fully manifest for all to see.
Because when Jesus The Lion Returns again every knee will bow and every tongue confess that He Alone Is Lord! That includes the wicked confessing the truth.

Where does a rapture fit anywhere into all of what God has already established as long settled. On the Last Day.

Some here say VERY soon.



If the devil has a deception plan (and I'm sure that he does)
It would behoove me to know the right time.

"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Yes

I am born outside of the Train, not going to betray the Holy Ones the very first Cherubs,

Does i am looking like a traitor ?

Will God chose a traitor for His Kingdom ?

Live in a state of readiness!

I would have a serious discussion with a Eastern Orthodox priest or monk about the rapture since their doctrine and traditions are pretty much unaltered since Jesus passed the keys to Peter over 2000 years ago.

What did St. John say via the Lord say to the Philadelphian church as mentioned in Revelation 2-3?

As always, you make up your own mind.

Not that i hadnt already made my mind up but yeah! You nailed it!
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

They like to twist and turn, while they squirm under the weight of the truth. But where is their love of the truth and their fellow man?
Something as significant as the claim of a pretrib rapture which is far outside of the parameters God set up as the way or the path, wishing that no one be deceived. It so alters what God claims about Jesus's soon return and that it would not escape the view of a single living soul when it happens.

Yet the Rapture claims they will be whisked away before the time of trouble even arrives.
If that were so God would have said it that way.

John 14:2, In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:2, NASB: In My Father’s house are manyrooms; if that were not so,I would have told you, because I am going there to prepare a place for you.

If it wasnt on the last day, i would have told you so.

Indeed.

The Lord has in fact told us so...many times. But people like you either pretend that the passages do not exist, or insist that they are refering to something else.


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:34-36

I've been thinking a bit more about what you said about the Crown of Glory, particularly "It doesn't get any better than that! To DIE rather than deny your Savior." Obviously, it's not anyone else's place, but The Lord's to decide who gets what. But the fact remains that if you should get the chance to be a Tribulation Saint, it will be because you were not right with the Lord at the time of the Rapture. At least going by what you have said.


The 5 types of crowns are: –

Crown of righteousness
Incorruptible crown
Crown of life
Crown of glory
Crown of rejoicing
1. Crown of Righteousness
2 Tim 4:8: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

This is a crown for every person who loves the appearing of Jesus Christ like Timothy. A crown for those ready and waiting for Jesus Christ coming.

Righteousness is only by faith.

Rom 3:24: Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:5: For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Php 3:9: And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.

Crown of Righteousness is a crown for every righteous person through grace by faith.

Salvation is only through grace by faith and every person in Jesus Christ is justified and righteous, and waiting for the final salvation when Jesus appears.

The crown of righteousness is for every saved person.

2. Incorruptible crown
1 Cor 9:25: And every man that strives for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Incorruptible crown is a crown for people who brought their body unto subjection; disciplined their body; – had self-control.

1 Cor 9:24 – 25: Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receives the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that strives for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

1 Cor 9:26 – 27: I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beats the air. But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul uses the word ‘temperate’ meaning self – control and he explains that it is through keeping the body into subjection that you receive an incorruptible crown.

3. Crown of life
Jas 1:12: Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Rev 2:10: Fear none of those things which thou shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Crown of life is a crown for people who have patiently endured trials, testing and persecution. It is for the people who bravely confront persecution for Jesus Christ even to the point of death.

4. Crown of glory
1 Pet 5:2 – 4: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind. Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fades not away.

Crown of glory is a crown for every person who feeds the flock; – the pastors, apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers, ministers and every person carrying out the great commission.

It is a crown for the Peters, Pauls, Johns and every God’s servant preaching the gospel to every creature. Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature Mk 16:15.

This is the crown I am fighting for, remaining strong in faith and preaching the gospel no matter what comes my way as I strongly guard my crown. My heart rejoices when I remember the great reward awaiting me in heaven; the crown of Glory.

5. Crown of Rejoicing
1 Th 2:19: For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

The Crown of rejoicing will be our crown where ‘God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away’ Rev 21:4.

It is a crown for every saint; every saved person. Salvation is only by grace through faith.

There are people who will have more than one type of crowns in heaven. Which is/are your crowns?

You have what you need now to make your choice. Make a good choice.

God bless

Last Edited by Judethz on 01/20/2023 06:48 PM

"War" against a religious concept?! Pure fucking bullshit! Just because people don't believe in such things, doesn’t mean they are warring against it! In fact, it looks like YOU people want to war against others for not believing as you do!

Do you mean the fight against delusional ignorance and paranoid fear?!?!

That war is real. There are far too many mentally ill people who fear reality and are manipulated to accept ancientstories as fact. You are no exception. Please seek help.

Pathetic hypocrite

Yeah I guess you are.