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Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere

 
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Wjem You think about the Saturfsy or Sundays "worship" is Just related and Simplify to a small geografia place of Land, Thinking they are tje Base of Every Thing, and Of Course they are Wrong!

God, Knows Everything, So if God sends every Human Being to Every Corner of the World, God Will Nottt Judge You for Creating Your Own Thpugh about God!

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there is no "god". God is a man made fiction, based on irrational superstition.

I believe in a creator because I see the evidence of a creator and cannot explain creation in the absence of one.
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...and should be one of my choosing IF ANY, not yours
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I try it each time and keep failing, not possible to rest when everyone else does not. But the rest is crucial for reconnecting with one´s Source.
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You are not trying very hard.
I find the rest I need simply by getting the fuck away from people for awhile
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Thats one way but it makes you lonely. Not what the seventh day is meant to be ... its about fínding back to each other and to our Lifegiver.
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Oh, I see. On the seventh day HE rested.

"God".

NOPE
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I can solve this with the Mr Rogers.....


Mic drop... I believe I win this debate... ;)
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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

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Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

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I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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Humans being an extension of nature are incapable of exerting force beyond that which nature provides. It's a free for all when it really comes down to it.
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clappa hf Most people have been caught so deep in the rat race and the money making they lost the sense of natural life.
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I Believe in a Creator Force, I'm Woth You dude!

Imagine God Juding You for Having Free Will and Thinking what You Think is Correct, God, or Morals!

peace
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I try it each time and keep failing, not possible to rest when everyone else does not. But the rest is crucial for reconnecting with one´s Source.
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You are not trying very hard.
I find the rest I need simply by getting the fuck away from people for awhile
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Thats one way but it makes you lonely. Not what the seventh day is meant to be ... its about fínding back to each other and to our Lifegiver.
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Oh, I see. On the seventh day HE rested.

"God".

NOPE
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day a week, too many?
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I Believe in a Creator Force, I'm Woth You dude!

Imagine God Juding You for Having Free Will and Thinking what You Think is Correct, God, or Morals!

peace
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Imagine "god" watching you jerk off, and judging you.

Imagine him watching you take a shit.


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You are not trying very hard.
I find the rest I need simply by getting the fuck away from people for awhile
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Thats one way but it makes you lonely. Not what the seventh day is meant to be ... its about fínding back to each other and to our Lifegiver.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218


Oh, I see. On the seventh day HE rested.

"God".

NOPE
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day a week, too many?
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When you need rest you need it, not when your god says it is ok.
Mkay?
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Thats one way but it makes you lonely. Not what the seventh day is meant to be ... its about fínding back to each other and to our Lifegiver.
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Oh, I see. On the seventh day HE rested.

"God".

NOPE
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day a week, too many?
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When you need rest you need it, not when your god says it is ok.
Mkay?
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still not getting my point ... not speaking about me particularly but the human society. People lost the ability to do things together freely. n other words a societal collapse in working ...
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Hahaha Imagine God doing anything we do!

Thats Crazy!

The phucking earth and spiritual world is just Crazy!

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Hahaha Imagine God doing anything we do!

Thats Crazy!

The phucking earth and spiritual world is just Crazy!

stoner
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God is no human.
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didn't read the whole post.

what ppl fail to realize is everything they were taught was influenced by the govern. this includes religion. think on thhis. from the moment u enter this world, govern ppl and govern taught ppl are around u. the 1st 2 ppl u meet- dr and nurse, both taught and licensed by govern. the next 2 your parents were taught by govern taught n licensed teachers. and all that they know was influenced by the same govern.

look at it from a different angle. say u were born in CHINA. u would think life there was normal and our life is wrong. u would speak a different language and your culture would b different. this applies to any country. do other nations not think they are the best?

gp farther. if u were born into prostitution or on the street, u again would see life much differently than if u born to movie stars in Hollywood or to politicians. what we see as "bad" cause we were taught such, they might see as normal life.

so yes all morals are taught. and the govern has done the teaching directly or indirectly. a lion murders a zebra. he doesn't get arrested cause that is the way life is.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

OR:

Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

[link to www.thoughtco.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Raniaashi


I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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I've watched Mark Passio for years. Thank you.
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If that's true, how come you misrepresent Natural Law like that? You should know better.
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Broo, I Know God issss Wayyy Beyound Frequency, Rytmo, Colors, Thougjts and even Concepts of Believe!

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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

OR:

Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

[link to www.thoughtco.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Raniaashi


I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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I've watched Mark Passio for years. Thank you.
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If that's true, how come you misrepresent Natural Law like that? You should know better.
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Please. If you have something to contribute then do. If you're here to demean and dismiss..... have at least have a good reason to demonstrate.

I Picked a random google site .. my intention was to have discussion. So, have discussion! I never said I wrote the book on either concept.

So, enlighten all of us!

As an aside, there are things that Mark Passio says that I don't agree with. If he is your guru, cool for you!

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The wibe feels good and on the target. Can you approach That too while sober?
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One does not need morals when knowing the necessary.
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I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84116598


I've watched Mark Passio for years. Thank you.
 Quoting: Raniaashi


If that's true, how come you misrepresent Natural Law like that? You should know better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84116598


Please. If you have something to contribute then do. If you're here to demean and dismiss..... have at least have a good reason to demonstrate.

I Picked a random google site .. my intention was to have discussion. So, have discussion! I never said I wrote the book on either concept.

So, enlighten all of us!

As an aside, there are things that Mark Passio says that I don't agree with. If he is your guru, cool for you!
 Quoting: Raniaashi


A discussion would be nice, but then the setup needs to be honest. And it is not, especially knowing now that you do know better. I don't agree with Mark Passio on everything either, he is not my guru. But he does have one of the best explanations of what Natural Law is, not like the random website you picked.
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I've watched Mark Passio for years. Thank you.
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If that's true, how come you misrepresent Natural Law like that? You should know better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84116598


Please. If you have something to contribute then do. If you're here to demean and dismiss..... have at least have a good reason to demonstrate.

I Picked a random google site .. my intention was to have discussion. So, have discussion! I never said I wrote the book on either concept.

So, enlighten all of us!

As an aside, there are things that Mark Passio says that I don't agree with. If he is your guru, cool for you!
 Quoting: Raniaashi


A discussion would be nice, but then the setup needs to be honest. And it is not, especially knowing now that you do know better. I don't agree with Mark Passio on everything either, he is not my guru. But he does have one of the best explanations of what Natural Law is, not like the random website you picked.
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Great!

So enlighten us!
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I've watched Mark Passio for years. Thank you.
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If that's true, how come you misrepresent Natural Law like that? You should know better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84116598


Please. If you have something to contribute then do. If you're here to demean and dismiss..... have at least have a good reason to demonstrate.

I Picked a random google site .. my intention was to have discussion. So, have discussion! I never said I wrote the book on either concept.

So, enlighten all of us!

As an aside, there are things that Mark Passio says that I don't agree with. If he is your guru, cool for you!
 Quoting: Raniaashi


A discussion would be nice, but then the setup needs to be honest. And it is not, especially knowing now that you do know better. I don't agree with Mark Passio on everything either, he is not my guru. But he does have one of the best explanations of what Natural Law is, not like the random website you picked.
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I'm not the only one participating in this thread; there's been tons of great posts.

So, please, contribute to the discussion!
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It's a very deep Thinking, I have many ways about what I Think God Is. Soo, don't judge me, In my opinión, God or Our Development can be concieve has Natural, Relativism or Evolución.

Just one example of Evolution, our small lizards, develope a gene based on living in the city vs Forest, we has Humans in the last 2,000 years No new evolution but a Lizard did it in less than 200 years.
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I also Think that in Natural Law, You don't want to be Hatefull or Bad, bec Deep down You want the Best for your sociedad, based on that animals want the best for their Herd!

So Humans will like the Best for their own Benefit!

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It's a very deep Thinking, I have many ways about what I Think God Is. Soo, don't judge me, In my opinión, God or Our Development can be concieve has Natural, Relativism or Evolución.

Just one example of Evolution, our small lizards, develope a gene based on living in the city vs Forest, we has Humans in the last 2,000 years No new evolution but a Lizard did it in less than 200 years.
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God is beyond words, literally. And I got if from your post about you know that. Vibes cannot be put in words actually. The way back is in silence.
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Re: Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere
It's a very deep Thinking, I have many ways about what I Think God Is. Soo, don't judge me, In my opinión, God or Our Development can be concieve has Natural, Relativism or Evolución.

Just one example of Evolution, our small lizards, develope a gene based on living in the city vs Forest, we has Humans in the last 2,000 years No new evolution but a Lizard did it in less than 200 years.
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God is beyond words, literally. And I got it* from your post above* that you know that. Vibes cannot be put in words actually. The way back is in silence.
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It's a very deep Thinking, I have many ways about what I Think God Is. Soo, don't judge me, In my opinión, God or Our Development can be concieve has Natural, Relativism or Evolución.

Just one example of Evolution, our small lizards, develope a gene based on living in the city vs Forest, we has Humans in the last 2,000 years No new evolution but a Lizard did it in less than 200 years.
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God is beyond words, literally. And I got it* from your post above* that you know that. Vibes cannot be put in words actually. The way back is in silence.
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But you could say smtg. to the actual topic ... let us hear.
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Re: Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere
...enjoying the discussion.

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I also Think that in Natural Law, You don't want to be Hatefull or Bad, bec Deep down You want the Best for your sociedad, based on that animals want the best for their Herd!

So Humans will like the Best for their own Benefit!

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Speaking of God and animal at the same time seems weird to me. Why people cannot speak of humans and God instead?
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If that's true, how come you misrepresent Natural Law like that? You should know better.
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Please. If you have something to contribute then do. If you're here to demean and dismiss..... have at least have a good reason to demonstrate.

I Picked a random google site .. my intention was to have discussion. So, have discussion! I never said I wrote the book on either concept.

So, enlighten all of us!

As an aside, there are things that Mark Passio says that I don't agree with. If he is your guru, cool for you!
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A discussion would be nice, but then the setup needs to be honest. And it is not, especially knowing now that you do know better. I don't agree with Mark Passio on everything either, he is not my guru. But he does have one of the best explanations of what Natural Law is, not like the random website you picked.
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I'm not the only one participating in this thread; there's been tons of great posts.

So, please, contribute to the discussion!
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Allright, I'll keep it short and simple. It is all about the experience there is the individual experience, and the shared experience. Focus solely on the individual experience and live a completely self serving live, have the egoic, sensory perception based experience as the centre always referring back to the lower case s self. Or live for the shared experience, balancing the inner with the outer. Giving enough of your self while staying true to the higher S Self. If this is reciprocated, you have a free energy device between people. It is generation, growth and creativity. I'm sure you know which one is Natural Law and which one is moral relativism.

AI can never have a shared experience since it has no body and no soul, so you are right in that it would not be able to predict behavior based on Natural Law, just self serving behavior based on moral relativism.
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...enjoying the discussion.

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is Soloma369 a bot?
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Re: Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere
I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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Six pages in before someone corrected the demonstrably false definition of natural law. Ignoramus.





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