If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

Yee Haw,

This thread is dedicated to the Optimal Diet. Sc0rp10n, the OP, is doing it for some time and he's having good results both in losing weight and overall health. Read the first and all the other posts from Sc0rp10n on this thread to see what it is about. Look at the links he posted too for more information.
Others, like me, just started a few days ago and we report here see how we are doing. Sc0rp10n is on vacations but he said he returns by the end of the month, I suppose.

Yee Haw,

This thread is dedicated to the Optimal Diet. Sc0rp10n, the OP, is doing it for some time and he's having good results both in losing weight and overall health. Read the first and all the other posts from Sc0rp10n on this thread to see what it is about. Look at the links he posted too for more information.
Others, like me, just started a few days ago and we report here see how we are doing. Sc0rp10n is on vacations but he said he returns by the end of the month, I suppose.


I have read through this thread, and am going to keep trying.
A lot of the good fats I don't like either. I hate fish, cream cheese, most cheese in fact, and most vegetables.

It is depressing to read so many people doing well, and mine is a constant struggle. I'm just really frustrated because I hoped by dropping the carbs, sugars and calories that I should lose weight and it didn't happen.

For lunch I had a bowl of lettuce with a boiled egg white chopped up in it.

Yee Haw,

This thread is dedicated to the Optimal Diet. Sc0rp10n, the OP, is doing it for some time and he's having good results both in losing weight and overall health. Read the first and all the other posts from Sc0rp10n on this thread to see what it is about. Look at the links he posted too for more information.
Others, like me, just started a few days ago and we report here see how we are doing. Sc0rp10n is on vacations but he said he returns by the end of the month, I suppose.


I have read through this thread, and am going to keep trying.
A lot of the good fats I don't like either. I hate fish, cream cheese, most cheese in fact, and most vegetables.

It is depressing to read so many people doing well, and mine is a constant struggle. I'm just really frustrated because I hoped by dropping the carbs, sugars and calories that I should lose weight and it didn't happen.

For lunch I had a bowl of lettuce with a boiled egg white chopped up in it.

Week 3 now and lost 20 pounds in 21 days :O) All going great but I keep forgetting to drink enough water - my only problem now is my knee joints have suddenly started aching over the last 2 days, so much so it is making it hard to sleep, it is like a dull throbbing - it may be uric acid build-up do you think? I will defo drink at least 8 glasses a day from now on - I also take 2 splenda tablets in my coffee with cream, about 2-3 mugs a day, so 6 splenda tablets, I wd really rather not take splenda at all, as it is said to cause joint aches in some people, plus God knows what else it is doing to me ref brain toxicity - but I crave a sweet taste in my coffee - any other healthy sweeteners out there? Lastly i hear joint aches could be due to low potassium? Any thoughts on sorting this out wd be greatly appreciated - the diet/change of eating has been a breeze, no hunger at all - 20 pounds in 3 weeks is great, and that with no exercise, just bought a bike so will be on that most days, be interesting to see how the losses continue :O)))

I am trying to eat more, but when I do, that's when I gain.

I did okay yesterday, after the salad, around 2:00pm I was really hungry, usually when I snack before leaving for work. I didn't work yesterday so was really worried about eating dinner.

For a snack I ate a chicken wing and 5 almonds.

For dinner I had a very small piece of boiled chicken, a couple of bites of boiled potato and good serving of green beans with a pat of butter.

snack later was a few blueberry chips.

I did lose about 8oz.

I'm going to try to add some more fats, but it's so damn depressing when I gain those hard fought ounces back!

I'm going to write down the list of good fats and keep them in the kitchen to help encourage me to include more of them.
And Avocados are GROSS!

Who can afford to eat like this?

If you have only thirty euros from your budget for food, then you cannot afford this high-fat, medium protein diet. Without a high-carbs diet (like bread, which is cheap) I would die!

I say to you rich bloodsuckers -- fuck you!!!

thanks. it's true. i have a hard time staying away from carbs, tho. switched over to good fats a few years ago and it's made a big difference.


It's only hard to begin with .... once the body switches over it gets easier. I can't imagine ever eating more than 20 gm of carbs a day again.

I never crave them and hardly ever feel hungry. I try to eat 5 medium sized meals a day just to keep my system ticking over.


Many thanks, v interesting indeed!

I'm a 6 foot bloke and I just started the Atkins 2 weeks ago and have dropped from a disgusting (too much beer!) 293 lbs to 278, stalled on 278 the last 3-4 days tho, weird. I have had the flu-like symptoms for 2 weeks too, as you say I think it is withdrawl from the way I was eating - weird thing is my skin on face has gone a bit spotty, dunno if it is too much olive oil or what, I'm thinking I may be getting rid of toxinds as Im eating much more healthily.

I am VERY interested in your ratios tho, will check out the links.

What will confuse me tho is tring to work out how much everything weighs in grams, is the only solution buying a scale and weighing everything? Gonna be impractical eating out, LOL!


Keep going! You will feel much better for it. I had loads of stalls. I think the body is rearranging itself and you are right about the detoxing that happens. I think that is one of the reasons you stall.

Toxins are stored in the fat cells and when you break down fat cells they are released into your system. I think during stalls your body is making sure it gets rid of the toxins you have released before it releases more.

A 'real' stall is one that goes on for 2 months. That means your body has reached a new equilibrium and you have to shake things up. I found the Atkins 'Fat fast' a very effective method for breaking stall. You can do it for 4-5 days (and its not too hard) and it will break a stall. Basically it involves limiting your calories to about 1,000 calories, with 90% coming from fat. It was not uncommon for me to lose about 8-10 lbs in those 4-5 days. You might gain 2-3 lbs back when you stop but you do achieve a net loss and it breaks the stall.

Another option is the Candida Diet for breaking stalls. Most of us suffer from fungal overgrowth caused by eating too many sugars, depleting good bacteria through anti-biotic courses, etc. On the Candida Diet you effectively eat just lots of meat and green vegetables and take some of those Acidophilus capsules you can buy in health food shops. They are great and I always take them now after a course of anti-biotics. Basically the good bacteria keep the fungus in check (sugar feeds it). Antibiotics kill good and bad, hence why women can get thrush when they take antibiotics. Candida overgrowth will limit weight loss big time! I did the Candida diet for 4 weeks about 3 months into my weight loss plan. It was effective in breaking a stall.

Good luck!

Yee Haw,

This thread is dedicated to the Optimal Diet. Sc0rp10n, the OP, is doing it for some time and he's having good results both in losing weight and overall health. Read the first and all the other posts from Sc0rp10n on this thread to see what it is about. Look at the links he posted too for more information.
Others, like me, just started a few days ago and we report here see how we are doing. Sc0rp10n is on vacations but he said he returns by the end of the month, I suppose.


I have read through this thread, and am going to keep trying.
A lot of the good fats I don't like either. I hate fish, cream cheese, most cheese in fact, and most vegetables.

It is depressing to read so many people doing well, and mine is a constant struggle. I'm just really frustrated because I hoped by dropping the carbs, sugars and calories that I should lose weight and it didn't happen.

For lunch I had a bowl of lettuce with a boiled egg white chopped up in it.


What's your blood type?

Did eat a bit more yesterday, some fruits for BK & Lunch, some carrots for a snack, saving up for dinner. Dinner was spaghetti with rice noodles and homemade sauce (extra lean ground beef in the sauce)-no sugar and 1 slice of garlic bread with olive oil, I put some olive oil in the rice noodles too. More blueberry chips for a dessert.

I'm AB+
Did eat a bit more yesterday, some fruits for BK & Lunch, some carrots for a snack, saving up for dinner. Dinner was spaghetti with rice noodles and homemade sauce (extra lean ground beef in the sauce)-no sugar and 1 slice of garlic bread with olive oil, I put some olive oil in the rice noodles too. More blueberry chips for a dessert.
Lost 4 ounces.

SO today is the day I'm going to try to add more FAT!
Breakfast was 2 scrambled eggs and a slice of ham, cooked in a slab of butter. ---AHHH I'm scared already!

The only comment I have is....have you seen what Superfry (meat fat) does to your dishwasher and drain pipes? You cant frigging get rid of the stuff, it sticks like glue.....so I can only imagine what it does to peoples guts.

I only got a deep fryer a couple of months ago...before that I only used olive oil and butter in a frying pan...no probs with the dishwasher there. Just a thought.

I'm AB+
Did eat a bit more yesterday, some fruits for BK & Lunch, some carrots for a snack, saving up for dinner. Dinner was spaghetti with rice noodles and homemade sauce (extra lean ground beef in the sauce)-no sugar and 1 slice of garlic bread with olive oil, I put some olive oil in the rice noodles too. More blueberry chips for a dessert.
Lost 4 ounces.

SO today is the day I'm going to try to add more FAT!
Breakfast was 2 scrambled eggs and a slice of ham, cooked in a slab of butter. ---AHHH I'm scared already!

stop eating: fruits, carrots spaghetti, rice noodles and homemade sauce.
This is ALL HIGH CARB!!!!!!!

Learn to eat food. You really can learn to appreciate flavours, really.

Thanks for sharing OP. I was just diagnosed with Diabetes and looking the ADA "recommended" diet is a crock of shit. I was looking for information just like this.


I am sorry to hear that. It is very shocking I know from experience, but it's totally in your control. Diabetes is, I believe, totally reversible over time but it does need self-discipline esp in the short term. I experimented a lot with my blood sugars and brought them down from 240 to under 100, most of the time more around 80. I have not used ANY medications at all. You can do it!

I call the ADA diet the 'lets give diabetics some other conditions to worry about" diet .... Pharma just calls it $$$ :)

BTW - you will see from my changing IP that every time I post, I get banned - Am I saying some things that someone doesn't like?