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Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?

 
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Firstly bullshit, maybe very recently but 1000 years ago life span was defo much shorter. As regards all this disease non-sense, in the past cause of death was not categorised. So cancer is not a knew thing its just we know what it is now
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When did the maya start teaching? At what age?

What were their causes of death?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Again rubbish I afraid. Life expectacy in the modern world far outstrips any of the ancient cultures.The didn't have cancer? crap they just couldn't diagnose it.
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Yes, they did not infect themselves with cancer.
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01/26/2011 08:34 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
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This is because his goal is to degrade himself, and the world he is a part of, because he feels that is necessary to repay the damage to his ego by not being able to understand the message that so many others find perfect.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
not really I'd argue that the newagers have over complicted and antropamorphasised these ancient cultures.
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What has been over complicated, and is simpler, and what has been antropamophrasised?
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01/26/2011 08:36 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
I know this thread will whither into just another foppish exercise in meaninglessness, however I inclined to add one factoid so it doesn't degrade into pure folly.

I have seen examples of obsidian scalpels recovered from digs at both Tikal and Palenque that were assessed to be sharper and more refined that the best, modern surgical steel available today, and this of course after being buried for several centuries.

How this degree of sharpness was achieved baffles modern researchers.
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Interesting.

But you'll have to repeat that.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
they were also into sports - only problem was the loser had to visit the hart surgeon.
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What sports and where? How were they played and why? Who played, and at what age?
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01/26/2011 08:38 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



We should ask the same of any bible beating fool, they're all from cavemen and sheep herders from 1000's of years ago, that are today's equivalent of acid dropping hippies. And people die like flies for that old stupid shit? It's just unreal. Why is this world such a pathetic shithole, led by shitheaded morons?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Not at all. We've been to the moon peered deep into the cosmos, our understanding of nature is acute; hence the advances in Biology,physics,chemestry etc. We're the most knowlegeable culture there has ever been by an immence margin.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


What have you learned from the moon, and who went?

If you understand nature, why is the eco-system being tormented by your presence?

If you are advanced in biology, why do most of your modern foods and activities cause a degradation of the body in many forms?

If physics and chemistry are good, then why is every aspect of the current civilization struggling to be at peace with their own purpose?

If you are the most knowledgeable culture, why is the educational system such a failure, and why is the MSM and the political system designed to lie to the population?

Note: A politician says it's because people are too stupid to control themselves.
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01/26/2011 08:39 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
You overrate todays crude methods which are unable to achieve the high level of civilization without spreading filth to all parts of the environment. The water, and land, and the very air we breathe is poisonous because of the crude methods used by people today. What pigs modern men are. The ancients achieved their high civilizations without turning the planet into an open sewer.
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This is exactly the point.

There is no advancement here. Everything that is done to get one thing, trades that for many many failures elsewhere.

It is not harmonious, so it's removal is only a matter of time.
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01/26/2011 08:40 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
But our satellites can't even begin to compete with the satellites that the Mayans launched into space! It's just too bad that they couldn't develop pens and paper to leave us records of them. ;)
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They did not use satellites, they used the much more advanced (faster) form of natural technology that the cleaned and balanced (practiced) body can perform, that you have not yet found in all your modern majesty and technology.
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01/26/2011 08:44 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Someone had to lay the groundwork. Ancient societies did invent mathematics, astrology (which laid the foundation for astronamy) alchemy (which laid the ground work for chemistry) they invented language, writing, named everything, the invention of iron working, agriculture, religion, masonry, and so on. I don't think they were all that primitive.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
We learned early on to navigate by recognizing the constellations.
~3rd millennium B.C.
Before?

We have known for more than 40 calendar until 1582.

...etc...

We are not gods but we have not (yet) destroyed our civilization.
We!
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


Depends on who has the better pain killers.
The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - HL Mencken
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Someone had to lay the groundwork. Ancient societies did invent mathematics, astrology (which laid the foundation for astronamy) alchemy (which laid the ground work for chemistry) they invented language, writing, named everything, the invention of iron working, agriculture, religion, masonry, and so on. I don't think they were all that primitive.
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That. The comparison is really unfair - they had to do everything from scratch.

And if you were in the woods and ate the wrong thing you'd die so maybe not wisdom but it's safe bet that any ancient who survived childhood was probably a lot smarter than the average person now.
The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - HL Mencken
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Ancient people were interested in the planet, the stars, nature. If we didn't have organized religion and didn't go through the dark ages, we would have had moderization a lot sooner but then again how do we know modernization will save us?
Modernization brought nuclear, chemical, biological weapons, genetically modified food, pollution, a drain of natural resources on an unheard scale, big machines tearing down forests, draining water, polluting the air, endless traffic, endless concrete buildings. We are like rats living in rat cages.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
they were also into sports - only problem was the loser had to visit the hart surgeon.
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What sports and where? How were they played and why? Who played, and at what age?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1241948


Loser dies sometimes.

Do a search "mayan ball game" all sorts of info, heres a few:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.greatdreams.com]

[link to library.thinkquest.org]

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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
A littly history:

Bernal Diaz was a Jesuit priest who accompanied Cortez and kept a journal. There were several others who documented the Spanish conquest of Mexico. One thing they recorded is the complete destruction by burning of all of the Mayan and Aztec written records. In their own words, there were "mountains" of these scrolls and records burnt. A law was passed that inflicted the death penalty on any native possessing written material or teaching the knowledge. Last I heard, exactly three of these written records survived. Three, out of probably millions of documents. So we have no idea what they knew.

Second, what does OP know about how his world works? Could he make or repair an automobile, generate electricity, build a house? Could he make cement or paint or steel or bronze or glass or cloth, not to mention a CPU or cellphone? I doubt that the OP has the slightest idea how any thing he uses is made. He is truly an ignorant savage who thinks he is civilized because of what intelligent people have made and given to him.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
England is the best proof!
Fishing and skiing keeps me a little sane.
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01/26/2011 09:16 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?

I am a North American Indian...this type of stuff allowed by a "paid" glp member ....game on motorhead..glp is next for allowing this
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01/26/2011 09:20 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
From my understanding, the whole 2012 thing just means a change from one astroligical system to another. (piseas? moving into aquarius) the mayans probably had different names, but originally that was what the 2012 thing was about. I don't know where the doom thing came into it. it probably came from new agers wanted to make money off of doom day senarios.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
primitive?
savage?
words of prejudice, . .to justify
discrediting an entire civilization.
beware, . .there are some, perhaps many
who view current culture the same as
you view the mayans.
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01/26/2011 09:23 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
because they are not english
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01/26/2011 09:37 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
FU moronic shagass OP..fuck you calling aboriginal traditional beliefs false ..you are a moron or your are younger than 25 tears..idiot on any count..you are a brainless twat..you are stupid-I can teach you

you are younger than 18
never been arrested
male
had very few girl friends..less than 6
your mother is fat and domineering-makes you look gay
you are possibly a closet gay or friendly type
your father was very mean
you live at home and work part time
I hate you
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01/26/2011 09:42 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
FU moronic shagass OP..fuck you calling aboriginal traditional beliefs false ..you are a moron or your are younger than 25 tears..idiot on any count..you are a brainless twat..you are stupid-I can teach you

you are younger than 18
never been arrested
male
had very few girl friends..less than 6
your mother is fat and domineering-makes you look gay
you are possibly a closet gay or friendly type
your father was very mean
you live at home and work part time
I hate you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244839

sarcasm escapes ye? the english aren't very good at it, but he does try.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


trolling or moron or stupid..stupid with a touch of moron sounds about right
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01/26/2011 09:53 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
FU moronic shagass OP..fuck you calling aboriginal traditional beliefs false ..you are a moron or your are younger than 25 tears..idiot on any count..you are a brainless twat..you are stupid-I can teach you

you are younger than 18
never been arrested
male
had very few girl friends..less than 6
your mother is fat and domineering-makes you look gay
you are possibly a closet gay or friendly type
your father was very mean
you live at home and work part time
I hate you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244839

sarcasm escapes ye? the english aren't very good at it, but he does try.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244458

I am quite capable of sarcasm..I am Chippewa from Canada..raised hard core roman catholic too.sometimes people say stupid things and I over-react...you can't teach the ignorant so I'm told
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
FU moronic shagass OP..fuck you calling aboriginal traditional beliefs false ..you are a moron or your are younger than 25 tears..idiot on any count..you are a brainless twat..you are stupid-I can teach you

you are younger than 18
never been arrested
male
had very few girl friends..less than 6
your mother is fat and domineering-makes you look gay
you are possibly a closet gay or friendly type
your father was very mean
you live at home and work part time
I hate you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244839

sarcasm escapes ye? the english aren't very good at it, but he does try.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244458

I am quite capable of sarcasm..I am Chippewa from Canada..raised hard core roman catholic too.sometimes people say stupid things and I over-react...you can't teach the ignorant so I'm told
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244839

he's english and he'll never get it. no need to get angry over such silliness.
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01/26/2011 10:00 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
he's english and he'll never get it. no need to get angry over such silliness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244458

The English are world class aresholes.
I can't think of any nationality that actually has any time for them.
"Primitive savages" is a perfect description of most of them.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
With lots of cheap labour and time. The walls of machu picchu for example have lever holes and were "cut" by huge numbers of people working for a bowl of maise.Easy really, we'd have built them in a week or two it took them centuries.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


So where are these examples of similar or better architecture done by those means?

Or are we not capable without technology?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


If you are more intelligent then why do you use an emotionally loaded word like "dope" because someone is dumber than you?

It is because they are different, and you are not intellectually capable of making sense of that in a refined way.





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