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Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?

 
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Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
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What do we know about nature that they didn't?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The entire 2012 thing will go the way of the Y2K thing and all the LaHey false prophecies about end times.
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This is like saying that someone who fears that they will be stepped on by a giant ant, is the exact same as someone who fears the toxic oil spill will kill many animals.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Quite right.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


What was Y2K about, that is similar with 2012?

How are they connected?

Who started Y2K?

Who started 2012?

The Mooning morans above no fuck all about the world, The mayans knew jack shit compared to modern science(no wonder other No nothings decorate them with knowledge unearned)
The Higgs Boson? oh please. and as for "Your ancestors" living to 125, thats because the morans couldn't count.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


The higgs boson oh please? No, that is not an intellectual response. Use your brain.

They couldn't count? So how did they measure the cycles of the moon down to this year?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
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Oh, is that the deal, I haddent heard that one.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

oh every dopey claim here starts from some Old savage squatting in his loin cloth in some ancient culture.

lmao
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01/26/2011 10:17 PM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Loser dies sometimes.

Do a search "mayan ball game" all sorts of info, heres a few:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.greatdreams.com]

[link to library.thinkquest.org]
 Quoting: TTX8K82


You mean "winner" sometimes dies.

And what an interesting culture.

They didn't kill for money, but for honor, and they didn't attempt to put fear into each other.

Now we have gladiators, that can't kill, but effectively reduce the populace to screaming masses while efficiently draining their "currency" (value/morality).

Then we have executions performed by a "modern state" in which people are allowed to watch and cheer. Let alone the executions are done for fun and to instill fear into each other, which is really for a deeper darker reason than anything.

Let alone, sometimes the victims aren't even involved in the slightest, most of the time though, the victims haven't killed anyone or done anything near what is being done to them.

Glad you know.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


People are superstitous, they think the aliens we created in the 1930s gave the ancient Mayans secret knowledge of the stars.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Dumbass, the modern astronomy is relative "new" compared to the Mayans, they were more advanced than the Europeans at the time, and then vanished....
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

What a Numpty, you have know idea.
No, he's correct, they were ahead of the Europeans.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch
You mean, what we accept as knowledge in the set of our knowledge is bigger than what we accept as knowledge in them. Modern scientsts are working themselves away from autistic assumptions and, given an incredible amount of time, may come up with truths know by those you are calling primitive savages. They do not know nature, being cut off from it in solipsistic minds they think are trapped in skulls and which they think work like machines.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


People long before your time wondered that too. I can name 2 books where the answers can be found, if you have the patience to read them.

"The Origin of the Egyptians" by Augustus LePlongeon
"The Golden Thread of Time" by Crichton Miller

The problem with most people here is ignorance - they only read pop-aganda, and think they are informed about subjects like the Ancients, prehistory, occultism, etc.

There is a world of knowledge being ignored by laziness, and that is an intended consequence of cesspools like GLP.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The entire 2012 thing will go the way of the Y2K thing and all the LaHey false prophecies about end times.
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To prevent the Y2K 'thing' companies and governments spent billions of dollars and worked frantically for years. And there is no comparison here. Y2K was a programmar recognized built in glitch that could have caused untold damage worldwide IF people had simply poo pooed the issue like you probably did.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Again rubbish I afraid. Life expectacy in the modern world far outstrips any of the ancient cultures.The didn't have cancer? crap they just couldn't diagnose it.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch
Cancer is on the rise and has been for decades. It is primarily a result of modern civilization. But keep that mobile in your pants not far from your balls and prostate. I could give a shit.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

Idiot.

what makes you think that people who lived 2000 years ago were any less intelligent than people living now. the knowledge is different certainly but are you going to say that Plato, who lived almost 2500 years ago...well before the reign of the Maya, was any less intelligent than any one living today?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The Beast's clamor attempting to rationalize its existence is hilarious.

OP knows very well who the real savages are, but feels the need to try to provoke a response in order to confirm his reticent convictions.

The ancients were so much more intelligent than those brandishing intellect as a trophy; it is unfair to compare the two.

Imagine a creature carrying an infection. The malady is caused by a virus. The virus is self aware but unaware of the existence of the creature, even though it encounters antibodies and natural immune systems everywhere it turns. As the creature, wracked by the temperature generated by the conflict, sustains a fever, the virus boldly proclaims to be superior to all other cells and organelles it encounters, claiming them to be archaic, simple, boring, ugly and dull. It ignores messenger systems which bring advanced warning of its demise and continues to snare, to destroy and to proclaim itself the utmost perfection in biology.

It only realizes what's going on when it is finally burst open, dissolved, and disposed of.

Perhaps the difference between the antigens and the healthy body can approximate the relationship between "modern intellect" and the genuine wisdom of antiquity.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Perhaps some could enlighten me then? What did they Know about physical science and astronomy that we don't?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch




As a scientist I consider them to be ignorant fuckwits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1121231

so....explain why Ancient Arkaim is built almost exactly like this diagram of the almost exact Higgs-Boson released by FERMI Lab in 2008 ??

:arkkaim:

:tevyone:


'course the pictures need to be made into a 'mirror image' as well to see the precision....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


radial symetrical city, it not a plan of the higs detector now is it come give me real challenge. You definition of exactly the same is allot broader than mine but then again as a scientist I can't afford to pedle bullshit
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radial symetrical city = armillary sphere

:armillary:
 Quoting: Sugarelf


2 dimensional radial symetry
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

you fail to grasp that they needed no surgeon for the most part because they weren't addicted to all the shit we are addicted to. all the fast food, alcohol, everything, man. we are exposed to things that make doctors rich by our constant need of medical attention. shorter age span doesn't necessarily mean lesser quality of life, keep that in mind. in fact, why don't you stop trying to understand anything about ancient history until you get the concept of their ability to control their population, their ability make precise celestial observations with no telescopes on an accuracy that trumps our current abilities, and also, there are 45,000 year old painting in Europe that have precession of the equinoxes in them. hmmmm, sounds like you are in denial, because it only takes common sense to come to our conclusion. why don't you come on into the light and see the obvious, or is your t.v. turned up too loud?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Surgeons use Stone Age technology for delicate surgery

[link to www.ur.umich.edu]


A complete surgery kit has been found in a tomb on the Peruvian coast. It was made up of obsidian knives of several sizes, spatulas made of sperm whale teeth, cotton balls, cloths, bandages, and thread and needles

[link to glimmerdream.com (secure)]

lmao
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Who said they were primitive savages ?

Have you seen what they have left behind ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1217094

yeah a few big piles of simple slave built stonework.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


How did they build them? Where did they get the man power? The motivation? The reasoning? What was the purpose of the stonework? How long did it take? Where did they get the resources? How did they transfer them? Who did the designs/architecture? Why is the architecture perfect? Why is there not similar perfect architecture built by similar means now? Why does the stonework correlate with astronomical cycles? What is the connection between astronomy and the stonework? Why do you consider yourself smarter, but have no clue about any of this?

That's the easy part, my friend, quit fooling yourself, you'll feel much better when you give in to those impulses telling you you don't know anything.

Because if you fail to do that after the transition, then there will be virtually no chance for you.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

levers that's how you build them. Connection between astronomy and stone work, you'll be wanting something durable since to measure a full pricession cyclle you'll need to measure the position of a star on an equinox over a 72 year cycle. So big bits of stone set at least 50 yards apart.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
firstly Yep I agree.

Why would people believe this, well maybe there is an anti scientist/scientific vain in society???? don't know really. Suppose kind of linked to religeon. Religon may prime people to beliefs conserning ancient texts etc.

As a scientist I consider them to be ignorant fuckwits. Still science and scientists relies on all these fuckwits working and doing stuff etc to enable a small numnber to actually do some proper thinking.

So as a scientist I'd like to say thank you fuckwits for doing loads of stuff for me so I can do your thinking for you. Enjoy the fruits of the intellectuals produce (as in internet, xbox, medicine etc

Kind of like how pacifists can only really be pacifist in a society that has gun toting arsehole's to protect it. Pacifist=bitch
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1121231


All your hard intellectual work has resulted in you acting and thinking like a child.

Trust me, you have many more times to go until you get it.

When you get it, none of that will matter to you how it does now. IE: your ego will have healed.
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Not child, arsehole perhaps. Think you missed the point though
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Firstly bullshit, maybe very recently but 1000 years ago life span was defo much shorter. As regards all this disease non-sense, in the past cause of death was not categorised. So cancer is not a knew thing its just we know what it is now
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When did the maya start teaching? At what age?

What were their causes of death?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1241948


As for teaching and age I have no idea.

The Mayan religeon/astronomy was as advanced as you can get with eyeballs, big rocks and loads of patience

as for life expectancey
"The Haab' and the Tzolk'in calendars identified and named the days, but not the years. The combination of a Haab' date and a Tzolk'in date was enough to identify a specific date to most people's satisfaction, as such a combination did not occur again for another 52 years, above general life expectancy"

from

[link to www.crystalinks.com]
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
they were also into sports - only problem was the loser had to visit the hart surgeon.
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What sports and where? How were they played and why? Who played, and at what age?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1241948


Great Mayan ball courts. It was a kind of a cross between football and basket ball where you struck the ball with your hips. Game's went on for days at a time and the winning captain got to be sacrafised. Willingly though

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Interesting note is they had a somehting like vulcanised rubber about one and a half thousand years early
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Not at all. We've been to the moon peered deep into the cosmos, our understanding of nature is acute; hence the advances in Biology,physics,chemestry etc. We're the most knowlegeable culture there has ever been by an immence margin.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


What have you learned from the moon, and who went?

Preciss measurements of where it is Lunar rock composition etc

If you understand nature, why is the eco-system being tormented by your presence?

Thats not science per se but modern society.

If you are advanced in biology, why do most of your modern foods and activities cause a degradation of the body in many forms?

Because of food companies, not science but society

If physics and chemistry are good, then why is every aspect of the current civilization struggling to be at peace with their own purpose?

Physics and chemistry has nothing to do with that

If you are the most knowledgeable culture, why is the educational system such a failure, and why is the MSM and the political system designed to lie to the population?

Are you paranoid

Note: A politician says it's because people are too stupid to control themselves.

Well it is a fact

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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Someone had to lay the groundwork. Ancient societies did invent mathematics, astrology (which laid the foundation for astronamy) alchemy (which laid the ground work for chemistry) they invented language, writing, named everything, the invention of iron working, agriculture, religion, masonry, and so on. I don't think they were all that primitive.
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Totally true

Seems to me the OP was refering to new age beliefs in the Mayan long count calander and such like

They where sophisticated, but we are more
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
A littly history:

Bernal Diaz was a Jesuit priest who accompanied Cortez and kept a journal. There were several others who documented the Spanish conquest of Mexico. One thing they recorded is the complete destruction by burning of all of the Mayan and Aztec written records. In their own words, there were "mountains" of these scrolls and records burnt. A law was passed that inflicted the death penalty on any native possessing written material or teaching the knowledge. Last I heard, exactly three of these written records survived. Three, out of probably millions of documents. So we have no idea what they knew.

Second, what does OP know about how his world works? Could he make or repair an automobile, generate electricity, build a house? Could he make cement or paint or steel or bronze or glass or cloth, not to mention a CPU or cellphone? I doubt that the OP has the slightest idea how any thing he uses is made. He is truly an ignorant savage who thinks he is civilized because of what intelligent people have made and given to him.
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Yes let us all take moment and thank the nerds geeks etc
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


What do we know about nature that they didn't?
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Open a fucking book.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Dumbass, the modern astronomy is relative "new" compared to the Mayans, they were more advanced than the Europeans at the time, and then vanished....
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

What a Numpty, you have know idea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1141021
No, he's correct, they were ahead of the Europeans.


Well we had guns and small pox.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

you fail to grasp that they needed no surgeon for the most part because they weren't addicted to all the shit we are addicted to. all the fast food, alcohol, everything, man. we are exposed to things that make doctors rich by our constant need of medical attention. shorter age span doesn't necessarily mean lesser quality of life, keep that in mind. in fact, why don't you stop trying to understand anything about ancient history until you get the concept of their ability to control their population, their ability make precise celestial observations with no telescopes on an accuracy that trumps our current abilities, and also, there are 45,000 year old painting in Europe that have precession of the equinoxes in them. hmmmm, sounds like you are in denial, because it only takes common sense to come to our conclusion. why don't you come on into the light and see the obvious, or is your t.v. turned up too loud?
 Quoting: Keeper of Light


A 75% infantile death rate does not constitute population control
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
..I believe more in people who have a profound relationship with, whose very survival depended on the knowledge of Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars and their cycles, rather than some jackass scientist who stares at their computer all day looking at datasheets.
That being said, if our so-called sophisticated societys crashed, I wonder how long youd survive without the "primitive savage wisdom"you condon to save your ass.
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Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

They were more connected with the truth than we are by far.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Someone had to lay the groundwork. Ancient societies did invent mathematics, astrology (which laid the foundation for astronamy) alchemy (which laid the ground work for chemistry) they invented language, writing, named everything, the invention of iron working, agriculture, religion, masonry, and so on. I don't think they were all that primitive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228167


Totally true

Seems to me the OP was refering to new age beliefs in the Mayan long count calander and such like

They where sophisticated, but we are more
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hahaha, that was the dumbest thing i've ever heard. we are more sophisticated? yea, everyone line up and get your fucking burger from BK right now, fall in line...sophistication at it's finest. "buy the new iphone, then 3 months later we'll make a new one and you'll buy that one too". sophistication at it's finest. we are no smarter, no further advanced as people. you are mistaking modern industrialization and technology for sophistication or wisdom. we have rediscovered nothing that was not already tapped in stone somewhere or painted in a cave. the Egyptians new that Sirius B existed (proved by all their records they left) yet it is not visible to the naked eye. Then all of the sudden Galileo has to use a telescope to "re-tell" a dumbed down world that there is a companion star to sirius A? yea, sophistication. you better go read some fucking books...
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
..I believe more in people who have a profound relationship with, whose very survival depended on the knowledge of Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars and their cycles, rather than some jackass scientist who stares at their computer all day looking at datasheets.
That being said, if our so-called sophisticated societys crashed, I wonder how long youd survive without the "primitive savage wisdom"you condon to save your ass.
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this....mr.UK up there would be among the first to die. so ignorant to reality. enjoy your television mr. UK, that's alright though, one less vagrant for me to run into during the end times.





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