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Why do people hate Jesus so much?

 
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Exactly. . .ANybody who's "good", is good cuz they chose it, but if we're "bad", it's because of demons - which we chose to have, so it's our own fault.

No slack, no mercy, no logic, and it reduces God to a static bystander.

Who needs any of this shit?
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The reason I can potentially accept the existence of "demons" is that they hypothetically would not respect the free will of humans.... and would try to influence us. It's just a metaphysical layer of the whole "I hear radio transmissions in my dental fillings" thing... not much farther out there than any other GLP theory you know?
 Quoting: Riker


Ah - now I understand the aliens question above. I do believe demons exist, and some folks *do* have attachments that trouble them. The assertion that "most everybody has demons that make them hate Jesus" is what's so retarded.
If we christers would put our feet back on the ground and get to know people and understand them (and even respect them), we *might* be less prone to seeing the devil everywhere, perhaps?

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Oh here we go again, everybody with their little reasoning/opinions.. I see them as little specs of dust soon to be blown away !


But Yeshua THE GREAT I AM will still remain.

Hallelujah
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Jebus is lucky to have you hf
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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They don’t, they hate Christians!
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love Jesus, find Christians very hard to like.
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It's not hate, it's just we can't believe a story told to us by an elite that are proven liars. How can we believe the wackiest of all fairy tales, we don't know who wrote the bible, much less 2000 years ago, so there is no credibility. People are gullible and fear death, and the elite exploited this and have tried to control us through false deity punishment based religions. You can only put so much blind trust in something or mystical space santa clause that can't EVER see and have NEVER seen. 2000 years is a long time to not have any proof. Folklore and deception interwined to fear, confusion, and forcing us to play the victim does not sound like a basis one can confidently base their eternal salvation on.
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If there really was a god & he asked me why I didn't beilive in him, I'd probably say something along this line. good job.
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Personally I think your retarded !

If you had a friend (hypothetically) a they were about to walk into a building that you knew was about to explode !

Wouldn't you at least if not frantically try to stop them from entering ?

Actually I was going to say before I saw your post...

Oh here we go again, everybody with their little reasoning/opinions.. I see them as little specs of dust soon to be blown away !


But Yeshua THE GREAT I AM will still remain.

Hallelujah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1242735


The problem with this tired, stupid old comparison is obvious.

"MY INVISIBLE FRIEND PUT AN INVISIBLE BOMB INSIDE THE INVISIBLE BUILDING IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU CAN'T FEEL!!" is a more honest comparison.

Then follow that up with "HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE ME WHEN IT'S OBVIOUS THE INVISIBLE FRIEND AND THE INVISIBLE BUILDING AND INVISIBLE BOMB ARE REAL!?!?!?!?!"

You ignore the FACTS of this situation:

--A bridge out or a bomb in a building are provable.

--Your evil, fucked up "buddy" created the bomb to be invisible, and made the building invisible ON PURPOSE so that people would be confused and wander into it... but you don't understand why we find that neither believable nor lovable.

--The supposed "proof" of the invisible building and bomb is contradictory, confusing, and generally unbelievable (I mean, come on, invisible buildings?? A monster god who promotes slavery?? NOT BELIEVABLE!).



You're not "warning" anyone. You are attempting spiritual RAPE.

SUCK MY RELIGION OR BURN FOREVER!!!

That's not LOVE, that's RAPE. The FACT that christians can't tell the difference is WHY THE BIBLE IS EVIL.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Because He said they would, and He is always right hf
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Honestly, it's probably because of the insane people that tell you you're not 'saved' or going to 'Heaven' if you don't have faith. That disdain for those people is then projected to the actual belief system.
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Why do people hate Jesus so much?
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He owes me money.
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It is not Jesus (we know next to nothing about him - if he ever existed at all) it is the people using his name and man-made "image" trying to shove their dogmas and other BS down our throat.
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This
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Not many people hate Jesus. They hate Jesus freaks.

There is no problem with some religion here and there, but people who start religious threads once a day, several times a day.

You know who you are, are making a bad name for Jesus.

So, tell, me who really hates Jesus? People who are annoyed by Jesus freaks, or are the people who are giving Jesus a bad name by being preoccupied with Jesus and religion who are hating Jesus by turning people away from spirituality by thinking that if they become Christians that they too must also become preoccupied with religion in order to be a faithful member.

Faith and preoccupation with Jesus and religion are not the same thing. They are opposed to each other, faith and preoccupation with Jesus.

Actually a lack of faith and a lack of strong spirituality and growth lead to a preoccupation with Jesus. It's almost like these preoccupied types are trying to convince themselves they have faith.
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The problem is that you are looking at religion as if it is something completely separate from the rest of life.

"Religion" is more than just one piece. It touches every other part of life - interpretation of history, society, morality, etc.

So it is not surprising that religion comes up often. Then when you throw in the corruption of spirituality for political and personal gain, and the tendency of TPTB to hide Truth about history from the people, the topic of religion on a forum like GLP is going to be seen. A lot.

What you call preoccupation some people would call research.

Faith for the sake of faith alone is not good in and of itself, as you seem to portray it to be. Faith in a lie is not valuable.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Honestly, it's probably because of the insane people that tell you you're not 'saved' or going to 'Heaven' if you don't have faith. That disdain for those people is then projected to the actual belief system.
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I'm talking about Jesus, not Christians.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.


Good point. They also want a God that lives down to their expectations and allows them absolute license, instead of One Who expects them to live up to His standards. Others just don't want any accountability. Remember these are the End Days- the love of many will wax cold and there will be scoffers. Don't share their hate back with them. Be kind, loving, and generous to them. Be blameless and upright. Make sure they've heard the Gospel and otherwise do not let their heathen ways infect you.

Peace, love, and blessing in the name of Yeshua Ha Mashiach
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Honestly, it's probably because of the insane people that tell you you're not 'saved' or going to 'Heaven' if you don't have faith. That disdain for those people is then projected to the actual belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476073


I'm talking about Jesus, not Christians.
 Quoting: Riker



Christianity says that Jesus was resurrected after his death. You have to believe it because there is no proof, no evidence. In the contemporary literature of Jesus Christ’s life, even the name of Jesus is not mentioned. Do you think a phenomenon like a man getting crucified, getting resurrected, would go unnoticed? that a man who brings dead people to life would not be reported anywhere? that a man who walks on water…?

Do you think this man would have been crucified? He would have been hailed as the messiah by the Jews themselves, because what more do you want? — none of your other prophets have done anything of this kind.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Why don't you like Christians? Sincere question and I've had my own reasons.... but please if you don't mind give me an actual example, not just the easy bible thumper line! It would help me out.

Also, some people believe that they actually HAVE met him. People who met him when he lived hated him or loved him.

And even those who don't believe he ever existed say awful things directed specifically about him, not just his followers, you know?
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I don't dislike christians across the board - I can bear them in small doses on a case-by-case basis. Part of the problem is people's personality types: If all christians would take a Myers Briggs survey, I'd bet the farm that our churches are full of only a couple different varieties of personalities. These are the shiny extroverts who don't seem to understand people or experiences outside their little realm. They make sure you know they're christian, and they're practically wrapped in the trappings of the subculture. It's like they go around acting a certain way, which kind of makes you (meaning me) wonder if any of Him is really taking root in there.

Actual people with actual souls don't seem to care for any of this, so it's not all that far-fetched for them to conclude that Jesus must be what's "wrong" with these folks. I doubt that anyone who "hates" Jesus has ever really met Him, because He's exactly what each of us need.

Most humans are not wanton evildoers. Yes, we're all defective and in need of redemption, but the line that "People hate Jesus cuz they love their sin" is just another symptom of folks who need to get out more. Jesus is like water for a thirsty soul, but clones keep trying to flavor it with all kinds of crap.
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I'm glad to hear you go with each person individually, that's very reasonable.

I personally don't agree about the same personality across the board.... perhaps you've only had exposure to one denomination or type of church?

I do find it kind of funny that you say "actual people with actual souls" as if people who are perhaps not experienced in the world outside of church (and there are people like that) don't have souls or aren't real people.

Jesus is like water for a thirsty soul, but from personal experience I would say that sometimes people don't want to admit they're thirsty, you know?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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Good point. They also want a God that lives down to their expectations and allows them absolute license, instead of One Who expects them to live up to His standards. Others just don't want any accountability. Remember these are the End Days- the love of many will wax cold and there will be scoffers. Don't share their hate back with them. Be kind, loving, and generous to them. Be blameless and upright. Make sure they've heard the Gospel and otherwise do not let their heathen ways infect you.

Peace, love, and blessing in the name of Yeshua Ha Mashiach



People who think that others outside their religion are demons...are borderline mentally ill

your fanatical childish outlook is where the HATE and ANGER is..
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1029269


I know, right? *Always* assume people have demons =D

sigh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228748


do you believe in aliens?
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Never met 'em, but it sounds like they're here. Some or all of them may turn out to be fallen angels, but I decided we'll see when/if the time ever comes. Legitimate angels could just as easily be "aliens" as fallen ones, in my book.

The comment about people having demons is just more noise from church-bots who can't conceive of anyone not liking church-bots. Why do christians so readily and eagerly assume the worst?
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I think it's possible that all angels may have been considered aliens at one point or another, not just fallen ones.
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Honestly didn't mean to abandon it. Just having my birthday dinner. :-)
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Happy Burfday :)
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Thanks cheers
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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Good point. They also want a God that lives down to their expectations and allows them absolute license, instead of One Who expects them to live up to His standards. Others just don't want any accountability. Remember these are the End Days- the love of many will wax cold and there will be scoffers. Don't share their hate back with them. Be kind, loving, and generous to them. Be blameless and upright. Make sure they've heard the Gospel and otherwise do not let their heathen ways infect you.

Peace, love, and blessing in the name of Yeshua Ha Mashiach
 Quoting: Z-djinn



People who think that others outside their religion are demons...are borderline mentally ill

your fanatical childish outlook is where the HATE and ANGER is..


Do you think that it is possible, Z-djinn, for there to be demons present in the world, regardless of the level of influence they may or may not have on people?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Honestly, it's probably because of the insane people that tell you you're not 'saved' or going to 'Heaven' if you don't have faith. That disdain for those people is then projected to the actual belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476073


I'm talking about Jesus, not Christians.
 Quoting: Riker



Christianity says that Jesus was resurrected after his death. You have to believe it because there is no proof, no evidence. In the contemporary literature of Jesus Christ’s life, even the name of Jesus is not mentioned. Do you think a phenomenon like a man getting crucified, getting resurrected, would go unnoticed? that a man who brings dead people to life would not be reported anywhere? that a man who walks on water…?

Do you think this man would have been crucified? He would have been hailed as the messiah by the Jews themselves, because what more do you want? — none of your other prophets have done anything of this kind.
 Quoting: Z-djinn


I do not agree that there is no evidence of Jesus' resurrection. There's actually a significant amount of evidence, but that is a topic that I am still studying.

As for the second part of your post, the prophecies of the Scriptures themselves say that the Messiah would NOT be hailed by the Jewish people, but rejected.
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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Good point. They also want a God that lives down to their expectations and allows them absolute license, instead of One Who expects them to live up to His standards. Others just don't want any accountability. Remember these are the End Days- the love of many will wax cold and there will be scoffers. Don't share their hate back with them. Be kind, loving, and generous to them. Be blameless and upright. Make sure they've heard the Gospel and otherwise do not let their heathen ways infect you.

Peace, love, and blessing in the name of Yeshua Ha Mashiach


hf
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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Its really us that they hate.
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Because they hate us, they say horrible things about him?
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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I dont think its that people hate him.. People hate the bible pushers.. the people that are always throwing him in our faces.. Bible thumpers give religion a very bad name.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1153822

This is part of it, I believe another part is the "christians" who claim to be so but act another way.
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It sucks when that happens. Do you know that the Scriptures say God's name is blasphemed among the gentiles because of this sort of thing?
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Exactly. . .ANybody who's "good", is good cuz they chose it, but if we're "bad", it's because of demons - which we chose to have, so it's our own fault.

No slack, no mercy, no logic, and it reduces God to a static bystander.

Who needs any of this shit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228748


The reason I can potentially accept the existence of "demons" is that they hypothetically would not respect the free will of humans.... and would try to influence us. It's just a metaphysical layer of the whole "I hear radio transmissions in my dental fillings" thing... not much farther out there than any other GLP theory you know?
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Ah - now I understand the aliens question above. I do believe demons exist, and some folks *do* have attachments that trouble them. The assertion that "most everybody has demons that make them hate Jesus" is what's so retarded.
If we christers would put our feet back on the ground and get to know people and understand them (and even respect them), we *might* be less prone to seeing the devil everywhere, perhaps?

:)
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:-) Gotcha.
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love Jesus, find Christians very hard to like.
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I'm sorry. :-/
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
It's not hate, it's just we can't believe a story told to us by an elite that are proven liars. How can we believe the wackiest of all fairy tales, we don't know who wrote the bible, much less 2000 years ago, so there is no credibility. People are gullible and fear death, and the elite exploited this and have tried to control us through false deity punishment based religions. You can only put so much blind trust in something or mystical space santa clause that can't EVER see and have NEVER seen. 2000 years is a long time to not have any proof. Folklore and deception interwined to fear, confusion, and forcing us to play the victim does not sound like a basis one can confidently base their eternal salvation on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1122898

If there really was a god & he asked me why I didn't beilive in him, I'd probably say something along this line. good job.
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I hear you. But what will you say when he says but what about the stars?
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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Because he is the light of their conscience and any mention of Jesus brings that light forward and softens their heart, but many hearts have grown hard and cold, and in their sin they refuse to love. Many even hate themselves, but don't know how to rid themselves of sin.
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Personally I think your retarded !

If you had a friend (hypothetically) a they were about to walk into a building that you knew was about to explode !

Wouldn't you at least if not frantically try to stop them from entering ?

Actually I was going to say before I saw your post...

Oh here we go again, everybody with their little reasoning/opinions.. I see them as little specs of dust soon to be blown away !


But Yeshua THE GREAT I AM will still remain.

Hallelujah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1242735


The problem with this tired, stupid old comparison is obvious.

"MY INVISIBLE FRIEND PUT AN INVISIBLE BOMB INSIDE THE INVISIBLE BUILDING IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU CAN'T FEEL!!" is a more honest comparison.

Then follow that up with "HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE ME WHEN IT'S OBVIOUS THE INVISIBLE FRIEND AND THE INVISIBLE BUILDING AND INVISIBLE BOMB ARE REAL!?!?!?!?!"

You ignore the FACTS of this situation:

--A bridge out or a bomb in a building are provable.

--Your evil, fucked up "buddy" created the bomb to be invisible, and made the building invisible ON PURPOSE so that people would be confused and wander into it... but you don't understand why we find that neither believable nor lovable.

--The supposed "proof" of the invisible building and bomb is contradictory, confusing, and generally unbelievable (I mean, come on, invisible buildings?? A monster god who promotes slavery?? NOT BELIEVABLE!).



You're not "warning" anyone. You are attempting spiritual RAPE.

SUCK MY RELIGION OR BURN FOREVER!!!

That's not LOVE, that's RAPE. The FACT that christians can't tell the difference is WHY THE BIBLE IS EVIL.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Sandi, I think I have been pretty tolerant of your insults and your utter lack of respect for people's beliefs on this thread.

However, if you continue, I will ban you and remove your posts.

Please, Sandi, please, make your point without being so hateful.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
People who think that others outside their religion are demons...are borderline mentally ill

your fanatical childish outlook is where the HATE and ANGER is..



*pats on head* of course dear rofl
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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Good point. They also want a God that lives down to their expectations and allows them absolute license, instead of One Who expects them to live up to His standards. Others just don't want any accountability. Remember these are the End Days- the love of many will wax cold and there will be scoffers. Don't share their hate back with them. Be kind, loving, and generous to them. Be blameless and upright. Make sure they've heard the Gospel and otherwise do not let their heathen ways infect you.

Peace, love, and blessing in the name of Yeshua Ha Mashiach
 Quoting: Z-djinn



People who think that others outside their religion are demons...are borderline mentally ill

your fanatical childish outlook is where the HATE and ANGER is..
 Quoting: Riker


Do you think that it is possible, Z-djinn, for there to be demons present in the world, regardless of the level of influence they may or may not have on people?


Demons are people who think other people are demons because of their beliefs or non-beliefs.





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