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LMFAO!!! TRUMP demands 0% or NEGATIVE INTEREST RATES!!!

 
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Stop voting for old people for president. We had the choice between dementia Hillary and dementia Trump in 2016. Now they want dementia Biden vs. dementia Trump in 2020. Dumb.
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Trump HAS actually shown signs of dementia, multiple times.. Not Biden.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77732762


But, but dementia is not an 'R' word.

You idiots have to come up with another 'R' word to parrot over and over.

You know like RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! then RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! and of course the current one, RECESSION! RECESSION! RECESSION!

Stupidest people on the planet.

lmao
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How??? For those of us who have actual CASH, we are penalized with putting our money in the bank and earning NO interest. We can’t even go to bonds anymore.

They are making it so if you have cash, you will be losing money. No place is safe, not real estate, not the stock market and not the bank.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77408026


I am sorry - I think you don't understand banking.
Trump is talking about the Federal Reserve - the private corporation that loans the Fed Government money for its operations.
NOT YOUR BANK where you save your money.
No one deposits their cash in the Federal Reserve.
Are people really this stupid?
I mean I know that the masses are borderline mentally disfunctional, but wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530568


No, I think you are an idiot who doesn’t understand they are going to take everyone’s wealth, one way or another. And physical silver and gold won’t mean shit when they tell you to take the chip in your forehead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77408026


Oh - I see you are deflecting the conversation to something totally different.
Yes, I understand that the banks are going to a cashless society and that chips will be made mandatory to work, eat, live. I am not ignorant.
But lets get back on track for this thread.
Trump wants the Fed Reserve to reduce THEIR interest rate to zero.
This is good for America because the National Debt is financed by the Fed Reserve. The current interest on the National Debt that the Fed Reserve charges the Fed Government (and hence American taxpayers) exceeds the total income of the Federal Government every year.
In short, the interest on the debt is bankrupting the nation.
If the Fed Reserve reduces the lending rate to the US Fed Government to 0 then perhaps there is a chance to start reducing the debt.
I have tried to explain it simply - but it seems that most still don't get it or refuse to try to understand.
ORANGE MAN BAD syndrome has hit hard.
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I'm sorry but you are making just too much damn sense.

The mentally challenged people afflicted with the currently incurable TDS are going to have to ask you to leave.
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"Suppressing interest rates means your pension fund will go bankrupt with certainty.

Further, "negative interest rates" result in the inevitable destruction of capital (since you get back less than you put in by definition) which again, takes your previously-contributed pension funds -- whether through deduction from your check or by your employer -- and intentionally destroys it.

Finally, if you're an ordinary worker you pay FICA and Medicare tax. These taxes by law are put into Treasury bonds.

Bonds that the President now demands the Fed literally destroy the value of on a daily and ongoing basis."
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trin was right
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Well, Trump made a LOT of money and is a brilliant business man.

I want to learn more before passing judgement. Because he may be on to something.

We all want the federal reserve demolished but then criticize this tweet?

That is ridiculous
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Trump went bankrupt 6 times. Brilliant businessmen don't go bankrupt 6 times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77996288


6 times out of how many businesses and business ventures? Why do you folks never include that number? Never mind. I know why you don't, but the fact that you don't gives you away.

700ish businesses started or acquired by the Trump Organization. So, out of that, 6 have gone bankrupt. That's .008% in case you were wondering.
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They know damn well what they are doing. Either that or they are incredibly stupid.
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trin was right
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76694416


Well, Trump made a LOT of money and is a brilliant business man.

I want to learn more before passing judgement. Because he may be on to something.

We all want the federal reserve demolished but then criticize this tweet?

That is ridiculous
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Trump went bankrupt 6 times. Brilliant businessmen don't go bankrupt 6 times.
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6 out of how many business deals, hundreds, maybe a thousand. And r/e is a tough business, especially with the business cycles in NYC. That's pretty damn good in one of the toughest r/e markets anywhere.
 Quoting: vEyeSea


Not to mention of course that the bankruptcies were restructures.
but again, why do think they already know that?
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WOW!!!

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The Federal Reserve should get our interest rates down to ZERO, or less, and we should then start to refinance our debt. INTEREST COST COULD BE BROUGHT WAY DOWN, while at the same time substantially lengthening the term. We have the great currency, power, and balance sheet.....
5:42 AM · Sep 11, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75461795


President Trump is trying to give the economy one last boom before the biggest bubble pops.

The bubble we are in has been long time coming. Pretty much since Nixon took us off the Gold standard in the early 1970s. The 2008 crash nothing was fixed with all the bailouts, TARP, QE 1,2,3, infinity, etc...

The Fed is now boxed into a corner. Here is the catch, they have known this all along....

You keep hearing "Level Playing Field". When there is a Global Reset a lot of the debt will go into the NEW ASSET CLASS that will UPGRADE the existing FIAT currencies. We know them as Bitcoin and Digital Assets.

The New York Stock Exchange parent company The Intercontinental Exchange will open the first Wall Street Crypto/Digital Asset Exchange on September 23rd or 12 days from now. You think this is co-incidence or they have known the entire time.

Now you know why President Trump is doing the bi-lateral trade agreements. The financial system of the world is going to change over the next 10 years. You will be able to send money anywhere in the world at the cost of 1 /0,000 of a penny, and it will "instantly settle". Instead of people getting paid every 2 weeks. People will get paid every day or every hour. Everything will be tokenized and over the next 20 years it will be the new stock market. This is just a little bit of what is to come. It is much more, but it will get us out of this mess that we have been in for a very long time.

Anyway, President Trump knows this. So they are just trying to kill the economy. That way we can go to the new digitized economy. This will happen gradually over the next two to three decades.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72415243


Finally!!! 11 pages in and NO ONE has mentioned the elephant in the room that is FAST approaching the financial markets...

I know it's a mind bender to start learning about Bitcoin and other crypto currencies, but THAT'S WHERE IT'S HEADED. There are way too many big players getting in the arena as we speak.

If you haven't learned anything about it yet, then start!

Can't you imagine the Fed being 'laid to rest'...Banks becoming nationalized and owned by the PEOPLE. The Treasury issues money as it was intended...NOT private elite people.

As you are reading this post, the rich that have actually taken the time to learn and see what crypto currencies are all about are loading up..Bitcoin, litecoin, Ethereum..etc.

As fiat moves into the new digital asset class, it can leave behind the whole debt debacle and emerge into several different avenues.

Those into Bitcoin, from what I can gather, are the ones into DECENTRALIZED currency...out of the hands of anyone except themselves and can send it freely and very little cost and near instant transfer.

There are other coins out there gaining ground as well, but aren't as decentralized and still tied to the standard banking system as we know it...and there are plenty of people grouping in that arena as well. Some people preach Bitcoin and others XRP.

Funny, everything always has it's opposite.

I think you will have your choice at some point...either currency in the system or out of it...

Trump says he's not big on Bitcoin, but then, he bluffs A LOT. You know this. Many times its for a reason...Many times it to draw your attention to a subject by talking about it negatively, or positively.

Anyway, guys....The post above has more clarity than most of the other posts on this thread....with the exception of Brief. He seems to know his stuff....even though he seems to be the butt of a lot of jokes on here.

My suggestion is .... don't be left behind...stimulate your gray matter and expand your craniums to what's going on...and for Pete's sake, don't get your crypto news from MSM.

There are thousands of short 10 to 15 minute video clips on youtube...smart people...that know their stuff and will spoon feed you the tons of news happening everyday in the crypto market.

I listen while i'm in the shower, shaving, driving...doing mundane stuff...it doesn't take that long to learn the lingo and start to get a glimpse of what this is all about.

It WILL be one of the greatest transfers of wealth in this generation...to those that take the time to learn.

Just my 2 shitoshi's.
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Oy vey.

You do NOT replace one bad fiat currency with one 1000 times worse.
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I am sorry - I think you don't understand banking.
Trump is talking about the Federal Reserve - the private corporation that loans the Fed Government money for its operations.
NOT YOUR BANK where you save your money.
No one deposits their cash in the Federal Reserve.
Are people really this stupid?
I mean I know that the masses are borderline mentally disfunctional, but wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530568



YOU are a fucking idiot...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77992394


I fundamentally disagree.
How so?
You love bankers? You want them to charge your government interest on money that they loan to the Government?
It is stuff like this that got JFK murdered because he dared threaten the Fed Reserve.
I find it incredible how stupid people here are who are defending the bankers and want the bankers to rape the American tax payers.
Wow.
Just wow.
Or GLP is full of shills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530568


Exactly, these people are either completely clueless thus incredibly stupid or know full well what they are doing thus incredibly evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72257552

^^^
This x 1000.

What Trump is essentially doing is a step towards ending the Federal Reserve.

I can't believe how many people here think it's a bad idea to do that!

I remember a time...

endthefed

Remember?


Visit my website...
[link to www.mostholyplace.com]
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09/11/2019 09:41 PM
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here it is folks.

THIS is why you fought WWI, and WWII.

Every war since then has been against any country that tried to implement these logical, simple ideas.

Nobody owns fiat money, it's a public resource. you should all get free money every month, in addition to your wages. it is natural interest on production
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77995479


Congratulations! This search string will search GLP for the two words Gesell and demurrage:

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

Hits on pages 6,7,23,52,74.76,77 and several other threads:

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 6)

I had infrequent communications with Bernard Lietaer (deceased) who advised some European people on the basic principle of economics being explored here. Whether their model is a good model remains to be seen.
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President Trump is trying to give the economy one last boom before the biggest bubble pops.

The bubble we are in has been long time coming. Pretty much since Nixon took us off the Gold standard in the early 1970s. The 2008 crash nothing was fixed with all the bailouts, TARP, QE 1,2,3, infinity, etc...

The Fed is now boxed into a corner. Here is the catch, they have known this all along....

You keep hearing "Level Playing Field". When there is a Global Reset a lot of the debt will go into the NEW ASSET CLASS that will UPGRADE the existing FIAT currencies. We know them as Bitcoin and Digital Assets.

The New York Stock Exchange parent company The Intercontinental Exchange will open the first Wall Street Crypto/Digital Asset Exchange on September 23rd or 12 days from now. You think this is co-incidence or they have known the entire time.

Now you know why President Trump is doing the bi-lateral trade agreements. The financial system of the world is going to change over the next 10 years. You will be able to send money anywhere in the world at the cost of 1 /0,000 of a penny, and it will "instantly settle". Instead of people getting paid every 2 weeks. People will get paid every day or every hour. Everything will be tokenized and over the next 20 years it will be the new stock market. This is just a little bit of what is to come. It is much more, but it will get us out of this mess that we have been in for a very long time.

Anyway, President Trump knows this. So they are just trying to kill the economy. That way we can go to the new digitized economy. This will happen gradually over the next two to three decades.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72415243


This is one of the points Bix Weir has been making in his videos and on his site. Search for Road to Roota to discover his videos and site.
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How exactly would negative interest rates work in this country?
 Quoting: NDFarm


It would cost you money to have savings...banks would charge interest instead of paying you...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Are you that dense? Interest rates don't pertain in this context to your savings account. They pertain to how much interest you pay on a loan.
 Quoting: Geraldgar


brief is the village idiot who thinks he is a financial wizard.
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Seriously someone help this guy out he's like chokin on his own saliva...
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So many people here think negative interest rates would be a good thing

GLP has gone full retard, this is one for the history books

Putin

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the 3rd shaking
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So many people here think negative interest rates would be a good thing

GLP has gone full retard, this is one for the history books

Putin

byekitty

overcap
 Quoting: xenophon


Yup, its going to happen.
Who does it hurt?
Old people who saved.

Who does it help?
All those grandchildren who cannot afford a thing in our geezer society.

One has a long life to live, the other has already had a long life.

The problem is what the boomers did to the following generations for their now.

It was all paid on credit on the unborn children.
It's karma.
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Bump for boomers.
It has to happen or the economy fails with every elderly death.

The young have been stripped of all opportunity the boomers enjoyed as young adults.
xenophon

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So many people here think negative interest rates would be a good thing

GLP has gone full retard, this is one for the history books

Putin

byekitty

overcap
 Quoting: xenophon


Yup, its going to happen.
Who does it hurt?
Old people who saved.

Who does it help?
All those grandchildren who cannot afford a thing in our geezer society.

One has a long life to live, the other has already had a long life.

The problem is what the boomers did to the following generations for their now.

It was all paid on credit on the unborn children.
It's karma.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76008671


This is fucked beyond belief. If there was any doubt that trump is swamp it's now gone

Following our analysis, we believe that negative rates are more likely to have a negative impact for economies and will be of little benefit to consumer and business spending.

As banks suffer lower profitability, this will likely affect other sectors as they try to offset their ‘tax’ by lowering the savings rates for depositors and/or raising lending rates to their customers

Since business spending, particularly capital expenditure, is more closely related to expectations of future income than cost of funds (as per the table below), lower incomes from negative rates are unlikely to improve on these expectations nor drive capital expenditure.

Furthermore, the incentive to offset the cost of negative rates (as a result of lower expectations of future incomes) could result in effort diverted to more short term financial market activity to the neglect of longer term business capital expenditure, which is not good for future productivity growth and long term prosperity.

Overall, the cost of negative interest rates will eventually affect all other sectors and wider parts of the economy, exactly as a tax hike would. Without any increase in expenditure, the impact on the economy will be fundamentally slower growth.

[link to static.macquarie.com]

They are also recommending defensive assets which means their overall outlook is not good

Last Edited by Xenophon on 09/12/2019 12:52 AM
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If you think governments instead of private banks should create loans then zero or negative interest rates makes sense don´t you think? Since governments should reward ideas that takes society forward. Like a free energy machine or a potato that can feed more people.



And i guess these bankers have lots of money to pay back since tax payers have paid them interest for many years.





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