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Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh I forgot, in my model, your data is always 100% your own. It only lives on your computer. Unless someone screencaps it, or otherwise. But the point is no-one can censor or stop you from sharing it... as long as you're not doing something illegal, in which case they can swat you and take you to jail. A downside might be anonymity. Although I could care less about it from a development perspective. But that is a good thing in a number of ways, because it might encourage individual responsibility (e.g. don't misuse the tool). Last Edited by BoatyMcBoatface on 11/11/2019 10:00 PM ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody's interested in this idea? BTW - it's not just an idea... It's already working. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not even my friend Juan is around tonight.. LOL ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76834627 Iceland 11/11/2019 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad you're working on something like this. This is something I've thought about since about 2016. I see some major flaws in the idea however. The main one, of course, centers around "moderation." How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea. So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too? From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical. Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess. |
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Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds awesome. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75751738 Ive thought a lot about replacing current social medias. unfortunately i lack the coding skills required Javascript is easy, which despite its flaws has become the language of the web. My major breakthrough was finding a library that abstracted a bunch of the needed javascript modules together.. It's brilliant! My meager attempt to build this might give someone who knows a lot more than me about coding some inspiration when it's finished...I hope so, because we need it. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Undestroyer
Truth User ID: 15886552 United States 11/11/2019 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think inrupt has the potential You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer. Thread: Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton a progenitor from the Natural Hygienist Movement "I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede |
Deplorable Zenobia
User ID: 1392717 United States 11/11/2019 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5 s for you, Boaty! Years ago, a person who helped me w/ YT (before the blatant censorship we witness now) videos. We talked about how what we were putting out there would most definitely PO the ass-hats and we predicted this clamp down. But the techie guy told me that once the internet was developed and now common place technology, that even if this shit we see now happened there would be folks like you who would step in. His expression was, 'Sure, chop off the lizard's tail. Watch it grow back again.' Bless you for this undertaking! And thought struggles against the results, trying to avoid those unpleasant results while keeping on with that way of thinking. That is what I call 'sustained incoherence.' ...David Bohm “How, O Zenobia, hast thou dared to insult Roman emperors?” ...Aurelian, 44th Emperor of the Roman Empire |
Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States 11/11/2019 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Note to the mods: I'm not promoting this tool via this post. I don't want to compete with GLP. I simply want to discuss what I'm working on and its possibilities. Quoting: Boaty I have been thinking about and tinkering with all kinds of web technologies that might enable a truly decentralized social media platform ever since I first heard about people being "de-platformed" because of wrongthink several years ago. Since that time, a few players have shown up who claim they are decentralized, but it's not true. They all rely on some central point of failure. Whether that be some cloud service like Amazon Web Services or Azure, or depend on a single domain name/DNS provider/CDN, like Cloudflare or some other webhost.... These approaches always showed the major flaw. How can someone build a tool that is truly decentralized while still depending on big tech players? The answer is simple. Take the middle man out entirely and go 100% decentralized with P2P. By that, I mean get rid of domain names. Get rid of hosting providers. Get rid of centrally managed storage. How am I doing it? WebRTC and WebTorrent. Those are the main clues I'll give you. But I'm not going to give away all the secrets before I have a working model that I'm ready to release into the wild.... Feel free to ask any other questions.. . [link to ipfs.io] Achduke |
Lord-Moon
User ID: 77808337 United States 11/11/2019 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've already done it ;) [link to whitestar.io (secure)] We'll be launch our first products in a couple of months. There will be specials for everyone on on GLP! |
Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad you're working on something like this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 This is something I've thought about since about 2016. I see some major flaws in the idea however. The main one, of course, centers around "moderation." How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea. So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too? From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical. Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess. How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 Since all data is stored on your own computer, you are yourself responsible for that data. If someone is stupid enough to follow you and download illegal shit you share, well that's on both you and that idiot. Moderation is simply unfollowing. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 The data is only available if you are actively sharing it. That means if you get on the radar of law enforcement, they can and most likely will find you. Webtorrent is not anonymous. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like .alt newsgroups but self ftps. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77309002 We just need to go old school. .... Maybe I'm to old. No, you're right. The real answer to this problem is an IETF accepted internet protocol for social media. But have you looked at the requirements to submit a proposal and have it accepted, even for review? It's the same problem: a central authority govern's what can and cannot happen. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've already done it ;) Quoting: Lord-Moon [link to whitestar.io (secure)] We'll be launch our first products in a couple of months. There will be specials for everyone on on GLP! Specials? WTF are you talking about? What I'm building won't just be free, it will be 100% open source. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76834627 Iceland 11/11/2019 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad you're working on something like this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 This is something I've thought about since about 2016. I see some major flaws in the idea however. The main one, of course, centers around "moderation." How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea. So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too? From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical. Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess. How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 Since all data is stored on your own computer, you are yourself responsible for that data. If someone is stupid enough to follow you and download illegal shit you share, well that's on both you and that idiot. Moderation is simply unfollowing. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 The data is only available if you are actively sharing it. That means if you get on the radar of law enforcement, they can and most likely will find you. Webtorrent is not anonymous. Hmmm...sounds interesting then. It sounds like you're doing something different with the user keeping everything on their own computer. But, by keeping everything on their own computer....what exactly does that mean? Does that mean your computer needs to be on and connected to the internet to essentially "host" whatever it is you're sharing in real time? Wouldn't that kill bandwidth? And forget the illegal shit. Let's just talk about spam. You're saying that in order to stop spammers on your system, you just need to "unfollow" them? |
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Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Note to the mods: I'm not promoting this tool via this post. I don't want to compete with GLP. I simply want to discuss what I'm working on and its possibilities. Quoting: Boaty I have been thinking about and tinkering with all kinds of web technologies that might enable a truly decentralized social media platform ever since I first heard about people being "de-platformed" because of wrongthink several years ago. Since that time, a few players have shown up who claim they are decentralized, but it's not true. They all rely on some central point of failure. Whether that be some cloud service like Amazon Web Services or Azure, or depend on a single domain name/DNS provider/CDN, like Cloudflare or some other webhost.... These approaches always showed the major flaw. How can someone build a tool that is truly decentralized while still depending on big tech players? The answer is simple. Take the middle man out entirely and go 100% decentralized with P2P. By that, I mean get rid of domain names. Get rid of hosting providers. Get rid of centrally managed storage. How am I doing it? WebRTC and WebTorrent. Those are the main clues I'll give you. But I'm not going to give away all the secrets before I have a working model that I'm ready to release into the wild.... Feel free to ask any other questions.. . [link to ipfs.io] Yep - I'm aware of it. I, personally don't want my data sent across the internet in little fragments. What I'm building doesn't do that. You share only what you control, and when you're not online, neither is your data.. Except certain caveats. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad you're working on something like this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 This is something I've thought about since about 2016. I see some major flaws in the idea however. The main one, of course, centers around "moderation." How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea. So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too? From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical. Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess. How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 Since all data is stored on your own computer, you are yourself responsible for that data. If someone is stupid enough to follow you and download illegal shit you share, well that's on both you and that idiot. Moderation is simply unfollowing. Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 The data is only available if you are actively sharing it. That means if you get on the radar of law enforcement, they can and most likely will find you. Webtorrent is not anonymous. Hmmm...sounds interesting then. It sounds like you're doing something different with the user keeping everything on their own computer. But, by keeping everything on their own computer....what exactly does that mean? Does that mean your computer needs to be on and connected to the internet to essentially "host" whatever it is you're sharing in real time? Wouldn't that kill bandwidth? And forget the illegal shit. Let's just talk about spam. You're saying that in order to stop spammers on your system, you just need to "unfollow" them? Hmmm...sounds interesting then. It sounds like you're doing something different with the user keeping everything on their own computer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627 But, by keeping everything on their own computer....what exactly does that mean? Does that mean your computer needs to be on and connected to the internet to essentially "host" whatever it is you're sharing in real time? Wouldn't that kill bandwidth? No, because when you're online the peers connected to you are sharing it with each other. The mechanism behind it is similar to websockets. Only the connection information to enable your "broadcast" is shared over webtorrent. Given that it is a social network, you would want to persist your identity so people who follow you can continue to follow you whether you're online or not. If you keep changing your identity, you'll never gain followers. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Boaty
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 11/11/2019 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In any case, Pocketnet is already up and running and almost as good as Twitter functionally right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77407179 I have what pocketnet craves. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |