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Boaty

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I am building a decentralized social media tool
Note to the mods: I'm not promoting this tool via this post. I don't want to compete with GLP. I simply want to discuss what I'm working on and its possibilities.

I have been thinking about and tinkering with all kinds of web technologies that might enable a truly decentralized social media platform ever since I first heard about people being "de-platformed" because of wrongthink several years ago.

Since that time, a few players have shown up who claim they are decentralized, but it's not true. They all rely on some central point of failure. Whether that be some cloud service like Amazon Web Services or Azure, or depend on a single domain name/DNS provider/CDN, like Cloudflare or some other webhost.... These approaches always showed the major flaw.

How can someone build a tool that is truly decentralized while still depending on big tech players?

The answer is simple. Take the middle man out entirely and go 100% decentralized with P2P. By that, I mean get rid of domain names. Get rid of hosting providers. Get rid of centrally managed storage.

How am I doing it? WebRTC and WebTorrent. Those are the main clues I'll give you. But I'm not going to give away all the secrets before I have a working model that I'm ready to release into the wild....

Feel free to ask any other questions.. .
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Oh I forgot, in my model, your data is always 100% your own. It only lives on your computer. Unless someone screencaps it, or otherwise. But the point is no-one can censor or stop you from sharing it... as long as you're not doing something illegal, in which case they can swat you and take you to jail.

A downside might be anonymity. Although I could care less about it from a development perspective. But that is a good thing in a number of ways, because it might encourage individual responsibility (e.g. don't misuse the tool).

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Re: I am building a decentralized social media tool
Nobody's interested in this idea?

BTW - it's not just an idea... It's already working.
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Not even my friend Juan is around tonight.. LOL
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More power to ya!

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11/11/2019 10:15 PM
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Re: I am building a decentralized social media tool
Sounds awesome.

Ive thought a lot about replacing current social medias.

unfortunately i lack the coding skills required
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I'm glad you're working on something like this.

This is something I've thought about since about 2016.

I see some major flaws in the idea however.

The main one, of course, centers around "moderation."

How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?

I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.

The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea.

So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too?

From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical.

Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess.
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11/11/2019 10:16 PM
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Like .alt newsgroups but self ftps.

We just need to go old school.
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11/11/2019 10:17 PM
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sounds like bitchute.

Good for you, and I hope you get alot of people that are fed up with suckerbook or twatter.

Free your mind.
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11/11/2019 10:19 PM

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Sounds awesome.

Ive thought a lot about replacing current social medias.

unfortunately i lack the coding skills required
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Javascript is easy, which despite its flaws has become the language of the web. My major breakthrough was finding a library that abstracted a bunch of the needed javascript modules together.. It's brilliant!

My meager attempt to build this might give someone who knows a lot more than me about coding some inspiration when it's finished...I hope so, because we need it.
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Like .alt newsgroups but self ftps.

We just need to go old school.
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.... Maybe I'm to old.
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I think inrupt has the potential
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11/11/2019 10:22 PM
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5 smile_kisss for you, Boaty!

Years ago, a person who helped me w/ YT (before the blatant censorship we witness now) videos. We talked about how what we were putting out there would most definitely PO the ass-hats and we predicted this clamp down.

But the techie guy told me that once the internet was developed and now common place technology, that even if this shit we see now happened there would be folks like you who would step in.

His expression was, 'Sure, chop off the lizard's tail. Watch it grow back again.'

Bless you for this undertaking!
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Re: I am building a decentralized social media tool
Note to the mods: I'm not promoting this tool via this post. I don't want to compete with GLP. I simply want to discuss what I'm working on and its possibilities.

I have been thinking about and tinkering with all kinds of web technologies that might enable a truly decentralized social media platform ever since I first heard about people being "de-platformed" because of wrongthink several years ago.

Since that time, a few players have shown up who claim they are decentralized, but it's not true. They all rely on some central point of failure. Whether that be some cloud service like Amazon Web Services or Azure, or depend on a single domain name/DNS provider/CDN, like Cloudflare or some other webhost.... These approaches always showed the major flaw.

How can someone build a tool that is truly decentralized while still depending on big tech players?

The answer is simple. Take the middle man out entirely and go 100% decentralized with P2P. By that, I mean get rid of domain names. Get rid of hosting providers. Get rid of centrally managed storage.

How am I doing it? WebRTC and WebTorrent. Those are the main clues I'll give you. But I'm not going to give away all the secrets before I have a working model that I'm ready to release into the wild....

Feel free to ask any other questions.. .
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[link to ipfs.io]
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I've already done it ;)

[link to whitestar.io (secure)]

We'll be launch our first products in a couple of months. There will be specials for everyone on on GLP!
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I'm glad you're working on something like this.

This is something I've thought about since about 2016.

I see some major flaws in the idea however.

The main one, of course, centers around "moderation."

How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?

I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.

The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea.

So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too?

From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical.

Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess.
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How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


Since all data is stored on your own computer, you are yourself responsible for that data. If someone is stupid enough to follow you and download illegal shit you share, well that's on both you and that idiot. Moderation is simply unfollowing.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


The data is only available if you are actively sharing it.

That means if you get on the radar of law enforcement, they can and most likely will find you.

Webtorrent is not anonymous.
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How will you get people to think it's "cool" enough to use? Who wants to be part of a social media unless the cool people use it?
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Are you familiar with Pocketnet Sempai?
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Like .alt newsgroups but self ftps.

We just need to go old school.
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.... Maybe I'm to old.
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No, you're right. The real answer to this problem is an IETF accepted internet protocol for social media. But have you looked at the requirements to submit a proposal and have it accepted, even for review? It's the same problem: a central authority govern's what can and cannot happen.
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I've already done it ;)

[link to whitestar.io (secure)]

We'll be launch our first products in a couple of months. There will be specials for everyone on on GLP!
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Specials? WTF are you talking about?

What I'm building won't just be free, it will be 100% open source.
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I'm glad you're working on something like this.

This is something I've thought about since about 2016.

I see some major flaws in the idea however.

The main one, of course, centers around "moderation."

How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?

I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.

The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea.

So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too?

From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical.

Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess.
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How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


Since all data is stored on your own computer, you are yourself responsible for that data. If someone is stupid enough to follow you and download illegal shit you share, well that's on both you and that idiot. Moderation is simply unfollowing.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


The data is only available if you are actively sharing it.

That means if you get on the radar of law enforcement, they can and most likely will find you.

Webtorrent is not anonymous.
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Hmmm...sounds interesting then. It sounds like you're doing something different with the user keeping everything on their own computer.

But, by keeping everything on their own computer....what exactly does that mean? Does that mean your computer needs to be on and connected to the internet to essentially "host" whatever it is you're sharing in real time? Wouldn't that kill bandwidth?

And forget the illegal shit. Let's just talk about spam. You're saying that in order to stop spammers on your system, you just need to "unfollow" them?
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Ok PIED PIPER
good luck
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Re: I am building a decentralized social media tool
Note to the mods: I'm not promoting this tool via this post. I don't want to compete with GLP. I simply want to discuss what I'm working on and its possibilities.

I have been thinking about and tinkering with all kinds of web technologies that might enable a truly decentralized social media platform ever since I first heard about people being "de-platformed" because of wrongthink several years ago.

Since that time, a few players have shown up who claim they are decentralized, but it's not true. They all rely on some central point of failure. Whether that be some cloud service like Amazon Web Services or Azure, or depend on a single domain name/DNS provider/CDN, like Cloudflare or some other webhost.... These approaches always showed the major flaw.

How can someone build a tool that is truly decentralized while still depending on big tech players?

The answer is simple. Take the middle man out entirely and go 100% decentralized with P2P. By that, I mean get rid of domain names. Get rid of hosting providers. Get rid of centrally managed storage.

How am I doing it? WebRTC and WebTorrent. Those are the main clues I'll give you. But I'm not going to give away all the secrets before I have a working model that I'm ready to release into the wild....

Feel free to ask any other questions.. .
 Quoting: Boaty


[link to ipfs.io]
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Yep - I'm aware of it. I, personally don't want my data sent across the internet in little fragments. What I'm building doesn't do that. You share only what you control, and when you're not online, neither is your data.. Except certain caveats.
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This place is so old school you cant even get a push notification as an anon via a cookie when tied in.
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Sounds promising. Can't wait to see it in action.
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do it on a blockchain ;)
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In any case, Pocketnet is already up and running and almost as good as Twitter functionally right now.
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Keep at it and save us from these globalist fuckers. Once upon a time, social media was kind of fun.

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I'm glad you're working on something like this.

This is something I've thought about since about 2016.

I see some major flaws in the idea however.

The main one, of course, centers around "moderation."

How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?

I'm thinking decentralized, in the same way bitcoin works.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.

The data on the blockchain, for example, is permanent and syncs with all other computers. Because the data is just transactions, there's no need to go back and edit or moderate. In fact, doing so would be at cross purposes for the whole concept of the blockchain ledger. Moderating a blockchain goes against the whole idea.

So, how exactly are you going to address that. If someone upload something illegal to your network, and it automatically downloads to all other computers, then doesn't that make them liable, too?

From what I've read, this whole "decentralized" platform concept isn't new. There just seems to be too many issues that don't make it practical.

Just my opinion though....lol. Change my mind, I guess.
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How are you going to moderate spam and other illegal content...porn, gore, and other kinds of bad stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


Since all data is stored on your own computer, you are yourself responsible for that data. If someone is stupid enough to follow you and download illegal shit you share, well that's on both you and that idiot. Moderation is simply unfollowing.

Ok, instead of having it on one server, you've got the database as P2P spread across tons of different computers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


The data is only available if you are actively sharing it.

That means if you get on the radar of law enforcement, they can and most likely will find you.

Webtorrent is not anonymous.
 Quoting: Boaty


Hmmm...sounds interesting then. It sounds like you're doing something different with the user keeping everything on their own computer.

But, by keeping everything on their own computer....what exactly does that mean? Does that mean your computer needs to be on and connected to the internet to essentially "host" whatever it is you're sharing in real time? Wouldn't that kill bandwidth?

And forget the illegal shit. Let's just talk about spam. You're saying that in order to stop spammers on your system, you just need to "unfollow" them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


Hmmm...sounds interesting then. It sounds like you're doing something different with the user keeping everything on their own computer.

But, by keeping everything on their own computer....what exactly does that mean? Does that mean your computer needs to be on and connected to the internet to essentially "host" whatever it is you're sharing in real time? Wouldn't that kill bandwidth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76834627


No, because when you're online the peers connected to you are sharing it with each other.

The mechanism behind it is similar to websockets. Only the connection information to enable your "broadcast" is shared over webtorrent. Given that it is a social network, you would want to persist your identity so people who follow you can continue to follow you whether you're online or not. If you keep changing your identity, you'll never gain followers.
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Nobody's interested in this idea?

BTW - it's not just an idea... It's already working.
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Where do I send the money?
Boaty  (OP)

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In any case, Pocketnet is already up and running and almost as good as Twitter functionally right now.
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I have what pocketnet craves.


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