Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

NOPE. Trinitarian belief

SON OF God - SENT BY the Father.

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These are statements that Jesus made which show His subserviance and obedience to the Father.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28 & John 10:29

14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17

Matthew 26:36-42

36 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Mark 14:32-39

32 And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.
33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;
34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
39 And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words.

John 17

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...the Father SENT me 47 verses in the 4 Gospels
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.


...I give THANKS to the Father. Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21 & John 11:41-42

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

25 Answering at that time, Yahshua
said, I praise You, Father, Master of
Heaven and of earth, because You hid
these things from the sophisticated
and intelligent and revealed them to
babes.

"creator of heaven and earth"

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.


...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:61-62

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 14

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Firstly, believing Jesus is God is not "trinitarian"; secondly, you ARE a trinitarian, moran.

So...Jesus was actually the speaker...but Luke called Him the Holy Spirit?

Sure it is you idiot.

A trinitarian believes Jesus IS God OR is EQUAL to God.

Go and READ.

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I believe neither.

So that encounter proves that Jesus said the EXACT SAME things to Paul as He did to the original 12 Apostles?

DAMN SON YOU ARE F'IN STUPID.

John 16:25
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

One God, 1 Mediator.

That is not a "third person" speaking in Acts 13:2, it's Jesus.

Deal with it.

No, that would make anyone who believes Jesus is God a trinitarian, which is retarded.



You believe in three divine entities, one of those entities (the 3rd) lives in you, the two other entities live in you THRU the 3rd entity, you're a trinitarian, ya moran.

You're just ranting a raving, lol.

I can't believe all this is coming from a a 60 year old senile retard who claims "Jehovah" spoke to him personally. Go figure.

Fucking liar.

GO AND READ you IDIOT.

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Acts 4:10-12
10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

God didn't SENT God.
He SENT His ONLY begotten SON.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

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John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

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Again:

•you believe in three divine entities

•one of those entities (the 3rd) lives in you

•the two other entities live in you THRU the 3rd entity

You're a trinitarian, deceiver.

1. Did Father God ever have to "learn"? Jesus - SON OF God - learned FROM the Father.

John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

2. Does Father God EVER "give thanks" to ANYONE? Yet Jesus THANKS the Father.

John 11:41-42

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

3. Does the Father do ANYONE ELSE'S Will? Jesus does ONLY the Father's Will.

John 6:37-39

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 1:1,13
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..."

John 14

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and

we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 1:1,13
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..."

The Father is THE SOURCE of ALL power and wisdom.

1. Christ was GIVEN power over heaven and earth.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

The power / "authority" is something "new" - that Jesus didn't have previously. AND you can BET that Jesus plays by the FATHER'S RULES...NOT His OWN.

2. Jesus HAD TO LEARN FROM the Father.

John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.


3. Jesus does ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Hey dumbass.

Jesus said anyone who blasphemes HIM can be forgiven.

Tell us HOW this can happen IF Jesus is actually the Holy Spirit?

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Matthew 12 Jesus speaking

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:

but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,

it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh

against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,

neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

...the Father SENT me John 12:49-50
...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28 & John 10:29
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28
...I give THANKS to the Father. Luke 10:21 & John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64 Mark 16:19
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

You liar, you believe God lives in you THRU a "THIRD ENTITY", not Christ.

And YOU are blaspheming the Holy SPirit.

Jesus said anyone who blasphemes HIM can be forgiven.

Tell us HOW this can happen IF Jesus is actually the Holy Spirit?

1. So Jesus landed on His OWN shoulder at His baptism?

2. So Father God DID NOT speak from heaven at the baptism AND the Transfiguration?

3. So Jesus LED HIMSELF into the wilderness after His baptism?

4. So blasphemy of the Son of God Jesus can be forgiven BUT NOT blasphemy of Holy Spirit Jesus?

"We will come and abode with him"

Ephesians 1:21-22 Expanded Bible (EXB)
21 God has put Christ ·over [far above] all rulers, authorities, powers, and ·kings [lords; dominion], and every other ·title given [L name that is named] not only in this ·world [age] but also in the ·next [coming one]. 22 God ·put [subjected] everything under his ·power [L feet; Ps. 8:6] and ·made him the head over everything for the church [or gave him to the church as head over all things], which is his body.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who pray to "the trinity". It's not Biblical. Jesus said to pray to the Father.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus is Father God Himself. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Father God is a "demiurge". It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus will return on a space ship. It's not Biblical.

Just because a person CLAIMS to have the Holy Spirit - that does NOT MEAN that they ACTUALLY DO have it.

There are folks who CLAIM to have the Holy Spirit who will say things like...

..."I will call upon God to rain fire and brimstone down upon you".

Gen 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,"

Who is the "OUR" of "OUR LIKENESS"? TLS?

That doesn't answer the question.

That verse has NOTHING to do with blasphemy.

IDIOT.

Jesus said anyone who blasphemes HIM can be forgiven.

Tell us HOW this can happen IF Jesus is actually the Holy Spirit?

1. So Jesus landed on His OWN shoulder at His baptism?

2. So Father God DID NOT speak from heaven at the baptism AND the Transfiguration?

3. So Jesus LED HIMSELF into the wilderness after His baptism?

4. So blasphemy of the Son of God Jesus can be forgiven BUT NOT blasphemy of Holy Spirit Jesus?