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The unexplained death of my brother in law (updated: county took possession over the body today)

 
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The unexplained death of my brother in law (updated: county took possession over the body today)
UPDATE:

As of this morning on our way into town to check out a venue for a small get together we were happy to hear from the county medical examiner. He asked my wife, as she is the one making the calls, what his last 48 hours looked like. They asked a lot of questions and let us know they took his body from the crematorium and he was at the county morgue. They didn’t say they were, but we get the idea they are going to do an autopsy.

One strange thing she said was they are 99.9 percent sure it wasn’t covid related, which was not a concern to us at all. I wanna stay positive and think that it’s a good thing because they won’t slap “covid” on COD and be done with it. Either way the positive is they most likely are doing an autopsy, and our family had a good day today with that news. An extremely tough, emotional day, but much better than yesterday.



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Sunday night after my wife’s annual family reunion my brother in law returned home around 2 pm. He had mentioned not feeling good and said he felt pressure in his upper stomach, almost chest area. He said it felt like he had to burp, or called it gas bubbles. He laid down for a bit before packing up his stuff. Once he arrived home he took a shower and fell asleep until 730.

After his significant other returned home they ate some Thai food and around 9pm he started complaining again about his stomach pressure, he attempted to throw up because he thought that would relieve the pressure. He couldn’t, so he laid down and was saying he was hot then cold and having hot flashes. We spent all week in the sun floating rivers and having good times with the fam so I guess he didn’t think much of it.

He laid down saying he was tired again and they both fell asleep. His sig other woke up around 12 midnight yesterday early morning to my brother in law making slight movements and groaning, she attempted to wake him up and flipped the light to see Adam having a seizure. She called for his roommate to dial 911. Operator instructed them to attempt CPR while paramedics were on the way. The paramedics arrived and attempted full life saving measures, defibrillation, for 30 mins.

Here is where I’m racking my brain and trying to figure their out.

The doctor at the hospital told them after 30 mins of life saving that he was too young to call at the scene, keep attempting defib and bring him in. In total he was worked on for 72 mins however they never once found a pulse. My brothers heart never started again. He was 39

After the call to us at 1am we woke up and headed into town, by the time we reached the on ramp the chaplain called us and told us Adam had just passed. We couldn’t understand what happened. We got to the hospital, sat with the body until the dr came in and told us this:

“We worked on Adam for 72 mins. We were unable to find a pulse again and called him at the hospital. We have no idea what he died of so we call these unexplained deaths. Most likely the medical examiner won’t ask for an autopsy as well, especially at his age”

Especially at his age! So he’s young enough to be brought in and worked on for 72 mins, burns all over my brothers chest from defib, but too old for an autopsy to find out why my brother just went to sleep and never woke up? My wife is shattered, her only full blooded sibling gone at 39.

The unknowns are weighing so heavy on my soul right now, this is such a tragedy.

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I apologize for the massive wall of text right off the bat, but I know GLP has some great folks here and just thought maybe I could get some kind of answers here.
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I'm sorry OP about your loss.
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Devastating! I hope you get some real answers. Impossible to know, so many things could be the cause. I would think autopsy would be standard.

Best wishes RIP hf
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I'm so sorry. That's horrifying and heart breaking. And the not knowing is just the kick in the gut your family didn't need. Sorry for your loss :c
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Devastating! I hope you get some real answers. Impossible to know, so many things could be the cause. I would think autopsy would be standard.

Best wishes RIP hf
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I totally agree, how is it not common in this era especially. I’m not saying covid, at all! But these hospitals are so concerned about every death being a covid death, how is an autopsy not standard for a healthy, fit, no pre-existing condition, 39 year old man.

I’m at a loss of understanding
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Condolences,

sounds like something heart related, like possibly a heart attack.

Odd they dont do an autopsy at 39.
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No autopsy at his age? What if he was poisoned?
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Some things stand out in your post.

Attending a family reunion is the first.

What happened at the reunion? Did he eat something or drink something that was handed to him?

Any family disputes or bad feelings towards anything?

Does he have any health problems?

One other thing is "floating rivers"

What location are the rivers? Water borne pathogens come to mind on this one
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hf heartbreaking for the world .. such a loss. hugs

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Really sad, I would be devastated if were my relative.

I hope you and your family can find peace.

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I'm so sorry. That's horrifying and heart breaking. And the not knowing is just the kick in the gut your family didn't need. Sorry for your loss :c
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you have a terrible sense of humor
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What are you talking about? There is nothing funny about this. That you picked up any humor says more about you than me.
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Sorry for you loss, may his soul rest in peace.
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So sorry for your loss and may you be comforted.
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Definitely needs an autopsy. It could help prevent future deaths. Doctors should need to know what killed him.
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Sounds exactly like a (WidowMaker) heart attack.


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A widowmaker is an informal term for a heart attack that involves 100 percent blockage in the left anterior descending (LAD) artery, says Stanley Chetcuti, M.D., an interventional cardiologist at the University of Michigan Frankel Cardiovascular Center.

As heart attacks go, a widowmaker can be particularly lethal because of the location and extent of the blockage.

“The LAD is a very important blood vessel,” Chetcuti says. “It supplies a significant amount of blood flow to the heart muscle — so there can be big consequences when that territory is jeopardized.”


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Sorry for your loss, RW.

My Dad lost his sister under the same circumstances years ago.

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I am so sorry for your loss, truly heartbreaking.
I am confused about the autopsy though. I was under the impression the next of kin can request an autopsy? I am not sure about the financial responsibility of that though.
Best wishes for you and your family.hf
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Sunday night after my wife’s annual family reunion my brother in law returned home around 2 pm. He had mentioned not feeling good and said he felt pressure in his upper stomach, almost chest area. He said it felt like he had to burp, or called it gas bubbles. He laid down for a bit before packing up his stuff. Once he arrived home he took a shower and fell asleep until 730.

After his significant other returned home they ate some Thai food and around 9pm he started complaining again about his stomach pressure, he attempted to throw up because he thought that would relieve the pressure. He couldn’t, so he laid down and was saying he was hot then cold and having hot flashes. We spent all week in the sun floating rivers and having good times with the fam so I guess he didn’t think much of it.

He laid down saying he was tired again and they both fell asleep. His sig other woke up around 12 midnight yesterday early morning to my brother in law making slight movements and groaning, she attempted to wake him up and flipped the light to see Adam having a seizure. She called for his roommate to dial 911. Operator instructed them to attempt CPR while paramedics were on the way. The paramedics arrived and attempted full life saving measures, defibrillation, for 30 mins.

Here is where I’m racking my brain and trying to figure their out.

The doctor at the hospital told them after 30 mins of life saving that he was too young to call at the scene, keep attempting defib and bring him in. In total he was worked on for 72 mins however they never once found a pulse. My brothers heart never started again. He was 39

After the call to us at 1am we woke up and headed into town, by the time we reached the on ramp the chaplain called us and told us Adam had just passed. We couldn’t understand what happened. We got to the hospital, sat with the body until the dr came in and told us this:

“We worked on Adam for 72 mins. We were unable to find a pulse again and called him at the hospital. We have no idea what he died of so we call these unexplained deaths. Most likely the medical examiner won’t ask for an autopsy as well, especially at his age”

Especially at his age! So he’s young enough to be brought in and worked on for 72 mins, burns all over my brothers chest from defib, but too old for an autopsy to find out why my brother just went to sleep and never woke up? My wife is shattered, her only full blooded sibling gone at 39.

The unknowns are weighing so heavy on my soul right now, this is such a tragedy.
 Quoting: Rorschach Watchmen


Do your own private autopsy. Dont let them take the body. Get his cell phone statement check the call .

Maybe he didn't drink enough water at tye lake and had heat stroke
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Sorry for this sudden and heartbreaking loss. The family should demand an autopsy but it sounds to me like an Aortic Aneurysm.

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Prayers for you and your family.

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Definitely needs an autopsy. It could help prevent future deaths. Doctors should need to know what killed him.
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DEMAND AN AUTOPSY!!!!
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I am so sorry for your loss, truly heartbreaking.
I am confused about the autopsy though. I was under the impression the next of kin can request an autopsy? I am not sure about the financial responsibility of that though.
Best wishes for you and your family.hf
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We can request the autopsy, was we were quoted at 10k from the county med examiner. They won’t do one because he didn’t die under suspicious circumstances they said. I guess “unexplained” death is not suspicious to them.

It’s bewildering
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Thats a strange one, sorry for your loss, cant you demand an autopsy?
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Sunday night after my wife’s annual family reunion my brother in law returned home around 2 pm. He had mentioned not feeling good and said he felt pressure in his upper stomach, almost chest area. He said it felt like he had to burp, or called it gas bubbles. He laid down for a bit before packing up his stuff. Once he arrived home he took a shower and fell asleep until 730.

After his significant other returned home they ate some Thai food and around 9pm he started complaining again about his stomach pressure, he attempted to throw up because he thought that would relieve the pressure. He couldn’t, so he laid down and was saying he was hot then cold and having hot flashes. We spent all week in the sun floating rivers and having good times with the fam so I guess he didn’t think much of it.

He laid down saying he was tired again and they both fell asleep. His sig other woke up around 12 midnight yesterday early morning to my brother in law making slight movements and groaning, she attempted to wake him up and flipped the light to see Adam having a seizure. She called for his roommate to dial 911. Operator instructed them to attempt CPR while paramedics were on the way. The paramedics arrived and attempted full life saving measures, defibrillation, for 30 mins.

Here is where I’m racking my brain and trying to figure their out.

The doctor at the hospital told them after 30 mins of life saving that he was too young to call at the scene, keep attempting defib and bring him in. In total he was worked on for 72 mins however they never once found a pulse. My brothers heart never started again. He was 39

After the call to us at 1am we woke up and headed into town, by the time we reached the on ramp the chaplain called us and told us Adam had just passed. We couldn’t understand what happened. We got to the hospital, sat with the body until the dr came in and told us this:

“We worked on Adam for 72 mins. We were unable to find a pulse again and called him at the hospital. We have no idea what he died of so we call these unexplained deaths. Most likely the medical examiner won’t ask for an autopsy as well, especially at his age”

Especially at his age! So he’s young enough to be brought in and worked on for 72 mins, burns all over my brothers chest from defib, but too old for an autopsy to find out why my brother just went to sleep and never woke up? My wife is shattered, her only full blooded sibling gone at 39.

The unknowns are weighing so heavy on my soul right now, this is such a tragedy.
 Quoting: Rorschach Watchmen


Do your own private autopsy. Dont let them take the body. Get his cell phone statement check the call .

Maybe he didn't drink enough water at tye lake and had heat stroke
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The family, his mother and father being, have decided not to. Ultimately it’s not my place to force them to do one. I know if it was my son, I would sell my left kidney to find the cause.

It’s pops is a simple man, very good man, but simple. He seems to believe Adams bucket list was full, he touched so many lives here he was such a great person, so it was just his time to go with god.

I’m more practical, but everyone grieve different
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Sorry for your loss. :(

I agree with the poster above me, some kind of anuerysm?

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Sounds exactly like a (WidowMaker) heart attack.


[link to healthblog.uofmhealth.org (secure)]

A widowmaker is an informal term for a heart attack that involves 100 percent blockage in the left anterior descending (LAD) artery, says Stanley Chetcuti, M.D., an interventional cardiologist at the University of Michigan Frankel Cardiovascular Center.

As heart attacks go, a widowmaker can be particularly lethal because of the location and extent of the blockage.

“The LAD is a very important blood vessel,” Chetcuti says. “It supplies a significant amount of blood flow to the heart muscle — so there can be big consequences when that territory is jeopardized.”


Sorry OP :(
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Had a heart attack LONG AGO.
It was the supposed "widowmaker".
Brought that up to the doc who put the stent
in and he said that was BALONEY.
ANY artery that clogs up can be a
"WIDOWMAKER".

But I recognize those symptoms.
When they do the autopsy they'll be able
right quick to tell you what happened.

Don't let them slide on this though.
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no autopsy, unexplained deaths are usually first on list for autopsy. I'd request one. your first sentence reminds me of symptoms of heart attack
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I am so sorry for your loss, truly heartbreaking.
I am confused about the autopsy though. I was under the impression the next of kin can request an autopsy? I am not sure about the financial responsibility of that though.
Best wishes for you and your family.hf
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We can request the autopsy, was we were quoted at 10k from the county med examiner. They won’t do one because he didn’t die under suspicious circumstances they said. I guess “unexplained” death is not suspicious to them.

It’s bewildering
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It would cost that much to get the autopsy? That's insane.

You would think because he was so young they would want the autopsy because it's not typical.

I'm sorry for your loss. red_heart
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Could have been a severe reaction to a tick bite - you were in a swamp like environment with rivers?
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He had all the symptoms of a heart attack. My dad had the same symptoms at 50. We took him to the ER even though he didn't want to go. Diagnosis: Myocardial Infarction. He was admitted to the hospital. He lived.

Last September, my 39 year old cousin wasn't feeling well at work (he owned a business). Went home. His father-in-law was supposed to meet him in his apartment lobby a few hours later. When my cousin didn't show up, his father-in-law asked if they would let him into the apartment. They did. My 39 year old cousin was slumped over his desk. Deceased. They diagnosed it as a heart attack. He smoked, was stressed over his business, and had a bad habit of drinking energy drinks.
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I am sorry for your family’s loss.

Hugs and prayers.
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