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Jesus in the old testament (Tanak)

 
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So who is "Wisdom" in Pro 3:19? It's JESUS.

The Wisdom which God possessed before the world was created (Pro 8:22).
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Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.


Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
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What's your point, you stupid unitarian?

1 Cor 1:24.

Jesus = The Wisdom of God.

Deal with it. Jesus is God.
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Jesus said John the Baptist and himself are children of wisdom.

Also the Holy Spirit was in John so was Jesus in John also?

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Jesus said John the Baptist and himself are children of wisdom.
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Jesus never said that he is a child of wisdom...

Btw 1 Cor 1:24, and multiple other verses, identify Jesus as Wisdom, which you consistently ignore.
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Also the Holy Spirit was in John so was Jesus in John also?
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Of course!

John 5:38
You don’t have His Word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent.

John 15:4
Live in me, as I also live in you.
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Jesus said John the Baptist and himself are children of wisdom.
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Jesus never said that he is a child of wisdom...

Btw 1 Cor 1:24, and multiple other verses, identify Jesus as Wisdom, which you consistently ignore.
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Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Jesus spoke about John and himself then goes on to say.

Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
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Jesus said John the Baptist and himself are children of wisdom.
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Jesus never said that he is a child of wisdom...

Btw 1 Cor 1:24, and multiple other verses, identify Jesus as Wisdom, which you consistently ignore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75523127


[...]
 Quoting: Achduke7


You are a disgusting heretic who doesn't even believe Jesus is God.

Sad to see you haven't changed all this time.
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1 Cor 1:24
Christ is the Wisdom of God.

1 Cor 2:7-8
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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1 Cor 1:24
Christ is the Wisdom of God.

1 Cor 2:7-8
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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2 Cor 3:17-18
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
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1 Cor 1:24
Christ is the Wisdom of God.

1 Cor 2:7-8
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2 Cor 3:17-18
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
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2 Corinthians 4:3-5
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.
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Jesus said John the Baptist and himself are children of wisdom.
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Jesus never said that he is a child of wisdom...

Btw 1 Cor 1:24, and multiple other verses, identify Jesus as Wisdom, which you consistently ignore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75523127


[...]
 Quoting: Achduke7


You are a disgusting heretic who doesn't even believe Jesus is God.

Sad to see you haven't changed all this time.
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i think I have never met anyone so spiteful. If you are trying to reach God's children you are not succeeding. If there is truth to be taught you better pray to God for a new tongue.
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1 Cor 1:24
Christ is the Wisdom of God.

1 Cor 2:7-8
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2 Cor 3:17-18
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

2 Cor 4:3-5
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.
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Christ = the Spirit = Wisdom = the Lord

If you can't accept this then I guess Satan blinds your soul.
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Jesus never said that he is a child of wisdom...

Btw 1 Cor 1:24, and multiple other verses, identify Jesus as Wisdom, which you consistently ignore.
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[...]
 Quoting: Achduke7


You are a disgusting heretic who doesn't even believe Jesus is God.

Sad to see you haven't changed all this time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75523127


i think I have never met anyone so spiteful. If you are trying to reach God's children you are not succeeding. If there is truth to be taught you better pray to God for a new tongue.
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You do not even believe Jesus is God.

You are a cultist heretic and antichrist.
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[...]
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You are a disgusting heretic who doesn't even believe Jesus is God.

Sad to see you haven't changed all this time.
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i think I have never met anyone so spiteful. If you are trying to reach God's children you are not succeeding. If there is truth to be taught you better pray to God for a new tongue.
 Quoting: Achduke7


You do not even believe Jesus is God.

You are a cultist heretic and antichrist.
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I believe what Jesus taught.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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You are a disgusting heretic who doesn't even believe Jesus is God.

Sad to see you haven't changed all this time.
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i think I have never met anyone so spiteful. If you are trying to reach God's children you are not succeeding. If there is truth to be taught you better pray to God for a new tongue.
 Quoting: Achduke7


You do not even believe Jesus is God.

You are a cultist heretic and antichrist.
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I believe what Jesus taught.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Jesus taught that He is God.

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins.”

And you do not believe Jesus is God so you will die in your sins.
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1 Cor 2:7-8
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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Psalm 24:8-10
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle.

9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
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If John the Baptist said "if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins." Would he be sinning?
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Also the Holy Spirit was in John so was Jesus in John also?
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Of course!

John 5:38
You don’t have His Word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent.

John 15:4
Live in me, as I also live in you.
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John 14:18-20
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
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Proverbs:8 defines His wisdom and His witness of Ge:1
It is not often talked about that Christ was the High Priest to God from Adam to Moses. Abraham met Christ several times, it was Christ, God and the Holy Spirit that passed him while on their way to see Lot and destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
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There is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.


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Proverbs:8 defines His wisdom and His witness of Ge:1
It is not often talked about that Christ was the High Priest to God from Adam to Moses. Abraham met Christ several times, it was Christ, God and the Holy Spirit that passed him while on their way to see Lot and destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
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2 Cor 3:17
Christ is the Spirit.

Why is it so hard for you to accept?
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There is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.



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Says Jesus not the trinity or the second person of the trinity.
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There is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.



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Says Jesus not the trinity or the second person of the trinity.
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Jesus is the True God.

Not "the trinity".

Jesus is not a "trinity" of three distinct persons.
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2 Cor 3:17
Christ is the Spirit.


Psalm 24:9
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
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2 Cor 3:17
Christ is the Spirit.

Psalm 24:9
the King of glory shall come in.
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John 5:38
You don’t have His Word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent.
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2 Corinthians 4:3-5
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

1 Cor 2:7-8
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2 Cor 3:17-18
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
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Hebrews 1:8 "for about the Son He says they throne oh God is forever.". God calls him God. It's the God family.
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
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No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity,
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THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.

SO HOW COULD CULTISTS DENY THE TRINITY, RETARD? TRINITARIANS ARE THE CULTISTS! THEY DENY JESUS!
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The liar here are you.

We have lots of writings of the church fathers, beside the bible itself, they all affirm the trinity.

Ignatius (died: 110 AD): *Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and
the apostles, that so all things, whatsoever ye do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in
faith and love; in the Son, and in the Father, and in the Spirit; in the beginning and in the
end; with your most admirable bishop, and the well-compacted spiritual crown of your
presbytery, and the deacons who are according to God. Be ye subject to the bishop, and to
one another, as Jesus Christ to the Father, according to the flesh, and the apostles to Christ,
and to the Father, and to the Spirit; that so there may be a union both fleshly and spiritual.
—Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter 13*
Didache (died: around 150 AD): *After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water…. If you have neither,
pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Spirit. —Didache 7:1*
Polycarp (died: 155 AD): *For this cause, yea and for all things, I praise Thee, I bless Thee, I
glorify Thee, through the eternal and heavenly High-priest, Jesus Christ, Thy beloved Son,
through whom with Him and the Holy Spirit be glory both now [and ever] and for the ages to
come. Amen. —Martyrdom of Polycarp 14:3*
Theophilos (died: 181 AD): *...the three days before the luminaries were created are types of
the Trinity, God, his Word, and his Wisdom. —To Autolycus 2:15*
Tertullian (died: 215 AD): *And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is
safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father,
Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in
form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power,
because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. —Against Praxeas 2*
Hippolytus (died: 220 AD): *The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy and the will
of the Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way than this,
gave this charge to the disciples after he rose from the dead: "Go ye and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt
28:19) And by this he showed that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying
God perfectly. For it is through the Trinity that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed,
the Son did and the Spirit manifested. —Against Noetus*
Origen (died: 225 AD): *For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not
only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are
outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages.... It seems right to inquire
into the reason why he who is 'born again through God' to salvation has need of both Father
and Son and Holy Spirit and will not obtain salvation apart from the entire Trinity, and why it
is impossible to become partaker of the Father or the Son without the Holy Spirit. In
discussing these points it will undoubtedly be necessary to describe the activity which is
peculiar to the Holy Spirit and that which is peculiar to the Father and Son.*
Novatian (died: 256 AD): *For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it
announces God himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth him
to be the Son of God only, but also the son of man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but
it has also been accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he is
both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For as nature itself has
prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature
prescribes also that he must be believed to be God who is of God…. Let them, therefore,
who read that Jesus Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God. —Treatise on the Trinity, 11*
Pope Dionysius (died: 262 AD): *Next, I may reasonably turn to those who divide and cut to
pieces and destroy that most sacred doctrine of the Church of God, the Divine Monarchy,
making it as it were three powers and partive subsistences and godheads. I am told that
some among you who are catechists and teachers of the Divine Word, take the lead in this
tenet, who are diametrically opposed, so to speak, to Sabellius' opininons; for he
blasphemously says that the Son is the Father, and Father the Son, but they in some sort
preach three Gods, as dividing the sacred Unity into three subsistences foreign to each other
and utterly separate. For it must be that with the God of the Universe, the Divine Word is
united, and the Holy Ghost must repose and habitate in God; thus in one as in a summit, I
mean the God of the Universe, must the Divine Trinity be gathered up and brought
together....Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine
Unity...Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son;
and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. 'For,' he says,
'The Father and I are one,' and 'I am in the Father, and the Father in me'. For thus both the
Divine Trinity and the holy preaching of the Monarchy will be preserved. —'De decretis Nic.
syn.26*
Bishop Gregory of Neocaesarea (died: 265 AD): *There is one God.... There is a perfect
Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there
is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything super-induced, as if at
some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus
neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without
variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever. —Declaration of Faith.*
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Jesus said to "call no man "Father", for One is your [and Jesus') Father, in heaven."
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Hebrews 1:8 "for about the Son He says they throne oh God is forever.". God calls him God. It's the God family.
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Yeah, no third person in view.
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Hebrews 1:8 "for about the Son He says they throne oh God is forever.". God calls him God. It's the God family.
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"Thy throne is God, [Solomon]"
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Hebrews 1:8 "for about the Son He says they throne oh God is forever.". God calls him God. It's the God family.
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"Thy throne is God, [Solomon]"
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That's not the true translation.
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Holy, holy, holy

Lord God Almighty





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