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D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism is about equality and freedom. Quoting: SubarcticBeefEquality per se, or equality in opportunity? Equality in all levels. Even in physical strength? I'll admit there are a few exceptions, but this is not normal. Present company excluded, of course. Happy New Year, Nik! Physical strengths aside, should all this equality be enforced with quotas, etc? The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
J-Rico
User ID: 1116423 United States 12/30/2010 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: wildhoneyQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
Richard Eldritch
User ID: 1208674 United Kingdom 12/30/2010 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: J-RicoQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Spanish man..in a dress. HUSSAR! |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism at its core might have had the right idea but the current version of it has mutated into such a form that nothing but negative connotations can be drawn for it. Quoting: J-RicoThat version is on the run, I think. There is a whole new feminism that encourages women to make their own choices, even if that choice is to be the woman behind the man. The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211487 Spain 12/30/2010 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: J-RicoQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Ill keep you guessing a while longer ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211487 Spain 12/30/2010 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: Richard EldritchQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Spanish man..in a dress. nope Im Female, very |
J-Rico
User ID: 1116423 United States 12/30/2010 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism at its core might have had the right idea but the current version of it has mutated into such a form that nothing but negative connotations can be drawn for it. Quoting: D's PetThat version is on the run, I think. There is a whole new feminism that encourages women to make their own choices, even if that choice is to be the woman behind the man. Even if the version is on the run, whether it be short-term or long-term... the damage has been done to both men and women. And I don't mean damage from early feminism, I mean this mutated form. The extreme form. The one that has taken the very ideals which made feminism something worth fighting for into a joke of its former self. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
~*~gsf~*~
User ID: 1089393 Canada 12/30/2010 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism is about equality and freedom. Quoting: D's PetEquality per se, or equality in opportunity? Equality in all levels. Even in physical strength? I'll admit there are a few exceptions, but this is not normal. Present company excluded, of course. Happy New Year, Nik! Physical strengths aside, should all this equality be enforced with quotas, etc? No. I had this debate in uni a lot...I took political science and sociology. Where there were quotas. It is my opinion that you are most qualified or you are not. Having breasts should NEVER be a factor. Sadly, it seems to be so! And justified by the inequality card. Sigh..... :gsfhibiscus: ...Where there's a Will... "...go back to sleep you yellow bellied freaks, afraid of God AND Modern Science..." ~ Wintersleep ~ |
Richard Eldritch
User ID: 1208674 United Kingdom 12/30/2010 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: wildhoneyQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Spanish man..in a dress. nope Im Female, very yeah yeah course you are juan..... HUSSAR! |
J-Rico
User ID: 1116423 United States 12/30/2010 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: wildhoneyQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Ill keep you guessing a while longer ;) I'm just curious since Spain has always been a country where "male machismo" is prevalent. The men are typically very strong and outspoken. I've met many Spanish men, but not many Spanish women. I was wondering if the same could be said for them as well. Traditionally, spanish speaking countries are a few years behind in this feminist movement... at least culturally-wise (is that even a word?) Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
Nikki_LaVey
User ID: 1120752 United States 12/30/2010 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism is about equality and freedom. Quoting: D's PetEquality per se, or equality in opportunity? Equality in all levels. Interesting. So, would you count me as a (third wave) feminist? It would appear that you are you dear and that is all that matters. How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism at its core might have had the right idea but the current version of it has mutated into such a form that nothing but negative connotations can be drawn for it. Quoting: J-RicoThat version is on the run, I think. There is a whole new feminism that encourages women to make their own choices, even if that choice is to be the woman behind the man. Even if the version is on the run, whether it be short-term or long-term... the damage has been done to both men and women. And I don't mean damage from early feminism, I mean this mutated form. The extreme form. The one that has taken the very ideals which made feminism something worth fighting for into a joke of its former self. I agree wholeheartedly. The first wave had definite merit, and the second wave ruined it. The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211487 Spain 12/30/2010 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: J-RicoQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Ill keep you guessing a while longer ;) I'm just curious since Spain has always been a country where "male machismo" is prevalent. The men are typically very strong and outspoken. I've met many Spanish men, but not many Spanish women. I was wondering if the same could be said for them as well. Traditionally, spanish speaking countries are a few years behind in this feminist movement... at least culturally-wise (is that even a word?) depends on circumstances, work wise women are taking over more and more prominent jobs, there are still pockets of male chauvinism, it depends alot imo on the socio-economical background and the educational levelof the persons involved |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism is about equality and freedom. Quoting: ~*~gsf~*~Equality per se, or equality in opportunity? Equality in all levels. Even in physical strength? I'll admit there are a few exceptions, but this is not normal. Present company excluded, of course. Happy New Year, Nik! Physical strengths aside, should all this equality be enforced with quotas, etc? No. I had this debate in uni a lot...I took political science and sociology. Where there were quotas. It is my opinion that you are most qualified or you are not. Having breasts should NEVER be a factor. Sadly, it seems to be so! And justified by the inequality card. Sigh..... I agree. If it's not out of line, might I ask how old you are? The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm just curious since Spain has always been a country where "male machismo" is prevalent. The men are typically very strong and outspoken. I've met many Spanish men, but not many Spanish women. I was wondering if the same could be said for them as well. Quoting: J-RicoTraditionally, spanish speaking countries are a few years behind in this feminist movement... at least culturally-wise (is that even a word?) I've noticed the same thing, Rico. It's one of the reasons that I fit in with the in-laws so well. The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
Richard Eldritch
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 755718 United States 12/30/2010 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some people call my mom a feminist because she did a lot of things ladies did do like hunt fish and shoot. She was the American woman to shoot in a sniper's match and was on the cover of magizines for her hunting skills. The whole time she was very feminine. Quoting: Nikki_LaVey:Mom 1003: Looks like she didn't believe in wearing a bra either. |
J-Rico
User ID: 1116423 United States 12/30/2010 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: wildhoneyQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Ill keep you guessing a while longer ;) I'm just curious since Spain has always been a country where "male machismo" is prevalent. The men are typically very strong and outspoken. I've met many Spanish men, but not many Spanish women. I was wondering if the same could be said for them as well. Traditionally, spanish speaking countries are a few years behind in this feminist movement... at least culturally-wise (is that even a word?) depends on circumstances, work wise women are taking over more and more prominent jobs, there are still pockets of male chauvinism, it depends alot imo on the socio-economical background and the educational levelof the persons involved Are these pockets of male chauvinism divided by social caste and financial settings or more of a regional thing? I know that even though Spain is a small country... one town could be a complete 180 of a town just a few miles away. Isn't it one of the most diverse countries out there in terms of people? I'm just always amazed. My sister is actually dating a man whose family is from Sevilla (IIRC) and these people are definitely nice, but headstrong and their family ideals fall in line with the more traditional family. The head of the family is the father, but the mother does have a say in the business and in the family decisions. It's an interesting dynamic because it blends 1950's with this century. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism is about equality and freedom. Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyEquality per se, or equality in opportunity? Equality in all levels. Interesting. So, would you count me as a (third wave) feminist? It would appear that you are you dear and that is all that matters. Thank you, Nikki. Like you, I just gotta be me. And I'm not ashamed of it. The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
Another Anonymous Coward!
User ID: 872423 United States 12/30/2010 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what would you say to a young woman who wants to get married and have a family and stay home to take care of her family, yet her own extended family looks down on her because of this? If her own extended family wants her to get a career and be "successful," but that is not what she wants? Is that feminism still? Being able to make her own choice about what she wants to do with her life? "Doom is like a butterfly... If you chase it, it runs away; Ignore it, and it comes and sits silently on your shoulder." - Hillcrest |
~*~gsf~*~
User ID: 1089393 Canada 12/30/2010 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism is about equality and freedom. Quoting: D's PetEquality per se, or equality in opportunity? Equality in all levels. Even in physical strength? I'll admit there are a few exceptions, but this is not normal. Present company excluded, of course. Happy New Year, Nik! Physical strengths aside, should all this equality be enforced with quotas, etc? No. I had this debate in uni a lot...I took political science and sociology. Where there were quotas. It is my opinion that you are most qualified or you are not. Having breasts should NEVER be a factor. Sadly, it seems to be so! And justified by the inequality card. Sigh..... I agree. If it's not out of line, might I ask how old you are? 31 :gsfhibiscus: ...Where there's a Will... "...go back to sleep you yellow bellied freaks, afraid of God AND Modern Science..." ~ Wintersleep ~ |
Nikki_LaVey
User ID: 1120752 United States 12/30/2010 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some people call my mom a feminist because she did a lot of things ladies did do like hunt fish and shoot. She was the American woman to shoot in a sniper's match and was on the cover of magizines for her hunting skills. The whole time she was very feminine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 755718Looks like she didn't believe in wearing a bra either. She is wearing a bra she wore very thin ones. Your not the first to point that out. How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
Thoughts Faux Fodder
User ID: 1088934 United States 12/30/2010 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im pretty tired of women using the term feminist when feminazi might be much more appropriate. Real feminists want equality not superiority! Quoting: ~*~gsf~*~To me...it means being allowed to make our own choices for own lifestyle. Not what men want..nor what other women want. And really, as far as Im concerned, they have fucked up an awful lot of shit for women men and their children ...contrary to original intent I assume! I think I <3 you, gsf! Thanks Ds....I have noticed your posts...I could never opt for your lifestyle, but I respect that it works for you And, I am sure there are plenty of feminists who would support your right to make your own choices. After all its what feminism is about ...right? To be honest the word has been so overused to such a point of degradation that I coudlnt even apply it to myself anymore. Its gone way past the point of equality for all in my opinion. Well said GSF D , I've been trying to figure out what to say to you about this, and I agree with GSF, how you CHOOSE to live your life is completely different than being coerced into situations you had no choices in, or were forced into. I honestly feel i have no right to judge you for choices you make in who or how you love. Consenting adults have the right to live how they wish as long as no harm comes to anyone involved. With all that said, the photos you use as an avatar are provocative and striking, which to me is wonderful- I'm a photographer and see them as art. There are others who could find them, in conjunction with some of your posts as indicative of the subjugation of women (specifically YOU). Live your life as you choose and be happy, it's too damn short to be worried about pleasing anyone other than yourself and those you love. Hope is the thing with feathers That perches in the soul, And sings the tune--without the words, And never stops at all.... Emily Dickinson |
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~*~gsf~*~
User ID: 1089393 Canada 12/30/2010 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what would you say to a young woman who wants to get married and have a family and stay home to take care of her family, yet her own extended family looks down on her because of this? If her own extended family wants her to get a career and be "successful," but that is not what she wants? Quoting: Another Anonymous Coward!Is that feminism still? Being able to make her own choice about what she wants to do with her life? Yes. Also, 'successful' shouldnt only apply to a career. In my opinion at least :gsfhibiscus: ...Where there's a Will... "...go back to sleep you yellow bellied freaks, afraid of God AND Modern Science..." ~ Wintersleep ~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211527 United States 12/30/2010 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feminism was a carefully constructed trap. A tool to divide us. It is as specious as any other ism. Quoting: wildhoneyIt seems to me that they are not only dividing women form emn, but pitting women against each other in many cases. thats all talk but you have to see the root of feminism the reason why feminism was born. It came to be because of the atrocious conditions many women had to live in and endure. Women were considered no more than property of their father first and husband later, so their luck depended on what cards they were handed out and the character of who would own them. For a women to have a career was practically unthinkable. For a women to have a higher education almost non existent A woman was not allowed to own property , assets or have her own money in many cases, and could not dispose without husbands consent. This was tantamount to slavery... and so on and so forth Feminism is not an obligation, its a right. You dont have to be a feminist but feminism allows women who do want to have independence and a voice to do so. yes, that is it! |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What do you say to a women with two black eyes? Nothing, you've told her twice already. Quoting: Richard EldritchRichard, do you embrace a patriarchal household like that? Or are you just throwing out the old joke to be sarcastic? Honest questions, here, because the Brits I know tend to be very PC and stuck in the second wave. The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211487 Spain 12/30/2010 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me Feminism, besides the defence of the womens rights is an exaltation of femininity, you got it girl you flaunt it ! because we are ladies and we rock!!!! Quoting: J-RicoQuestion: Are you an American in Spain, a proxy, or really a Spanish woman in Spain? I'm curious. Ill keep you guessing a while longer ;) I'm just curious since Spain has always been a country where "male machismo" is prevalent. The men are typically very strong and outspoken. I've met many Spanish men, but not many Spanish women. I was wondering if the same could be said for them as well. Traditionally, spanish speaking countries are a few years behind in this feminist movement... at least culturally-wise (is that even a word?) depends on circumstances, work wise women are taking over more and more prominent jobs, there are still pockets of male chauvinism, it depends alot imo on the socio-economical background and the educational levelof the persons involved Are these pockets of male chauvinism divided by social caste and financial settings or more of a regional thing? I know that even though Spain is a small country... one town could be a complete 180 of a town just a few miles away. Isn't it one of the most diverse countries out there in terms of people? I'm just always amazed. My sister is actually dating a man whose family is from Sevilla (IIRC) and these people are definitely nice, but headstrong and their family ideals fall in line with the more traditional family. The head of the family is the father, but the mother does have a say in the business and in the family decisions. It's an interesting dynamic because it blends 1950's with this century. You could maybe find more chauvinism in Southern Spain but it depends on the personal background of the individuals involved. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 755718 United States 12/30/2010 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some people call my mom a feminist because she did a lot of things ladies did do like hunt fish and shoot. She was the American woman to shoot in a sniper's match and was on the cover of magizines for her hunting skills. The whole time she was very feminine. Quoting: Nikki_LaVey:Mom 1003: Looks like she didn't believe in wearing a bra either. She is wearing a bra she wore very thin ones. Your not the first to point that out. I didn't say it was a bad thing. Your ma seems pretty kewl. I like the thin bra's myself. |
D's Pet
(OP) User ID: 1211529 United States 12/30/2010 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what would you say to a young woman who wants to get married and have a family and stay home to take care of her family, yet her own extended family looks down on her because of this? If her own extended family wants her to get a career and be "successful," but that is not what she wants? Quoting: Another Anonymous Coward!Is that feminism still? Being able to make her own choice about what she wants to do with her life? My family was VERY against my marriage at first and it was tense for some time. If my daughter told me what you said, I would be just as happy for her as I was when she told me she wants to go to law school. The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich. ~P. J. O'Rourke |