Loughner's defense

"The suspect, Jared Loughner, 22, is widely believed to be mentally ill.

It is impossible, at this point, to say with certainty what Loughner's mental state may be."

[link to www.azcentral.com]

This again points out the stark contrast between what is "widely believed" and what can be said with any certainty. Speculations abound as to Loughner's mental state, and that's by design. The people who pulled this off don't want anyone wondering "did he do it?" They just want people wondering "why did he do it?" That's why Badger and Maisch both made a big show of saying things like "why would you do such a thing" and "how could you be so full of hate". That's why Salzgeber waved the gun around and threatened to kill Loughner, to convince everyone around that Loughner did the shooting.

This author tries so hard to be objective but fucks it up anyway:

"No one can know what was going on inside of Jared Loughner's head when authorities say he pulled the trigger in Tucson, Ariz., on Jan. 8, ending the lives of six people and changing forever the lives of many others."

[link to www.mcall.com]

The phrase "authorities say he pulled the trigger" in itself isn't obscenely offensive, but the way it's inserted so clumsily into the sentence smacks of post facto hole plugging. It's so awkwardly written it literally suggests we don't know what was going on in Loughner's mind when he was accused of the shooting. It's obvious the author wants to maintain the appearance of objectivity and only that, just the form, not the substance. This is the same mentality that drives pseudoskeptics to screech at anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children or jam their fingers in their ears and call the police when all the thermite in the World Trade Center demolition dust is mentioned.

"Suddenly, all over the show, I am seeing the word "gossipology" and I don't really know what it means. Plain old gossip is something we all know, largely because we all gossip. We readily exchange titillating tittle-tattle about "other people" that may - or may not - contain a grain of truth.

Gossip tends to be a mix of mild malice or idle curiosity, but it has also become a hugely profitable industry in magazines, radio and television and especially on the internet, where hags of both genders say the wildest and most cruel things."

[link to www.timeslive.co.za]

With all the uproar about "mental illness" I thought a bit of perspective was in order:

"People with severe mental illnesses are highly unlikely to become violent toward others unless they have additional risk factors combined with their psychiatric disorder, according to a new study led by researchers at Duke University Medical Center."

[link to www.dukehealth.org]

These "risk factors" all basically boil down to being a victim of violence or drugs that are known to heighten aggression. Loughner cried and got drunk when his father yelled at him. Loughner smoked weed and did hallucinogens, supposedly, neither of which have any reputation for inspiring violence.

"It would seem from media reports that Jared Loughner suffers from serious mental problems. What else could prompt a young, intelligent man to open fire on a group of strangers gathered on a street corner to talk to their Congresswoman? What else but insanity or extreme circumstances would lead to such violence?

Whether Loughner has experienced symptoms of mental illness is not for me to say. But I can say that people with mental health conditions are no more likely to commit acts of violence than anyone else. Having such a condition is poles apart from being insanely violent. Only a few people with a specific type of mental disorder are prone to violent behavior."

[link to www.thonline.com]

This editorial piece voices a common belief, that anyone who would gun down people like this is insane. It's a common belief that is suspended when it comes to the police and the military, however. These serial killers are sanctioned and should therefore be venerated.

I've pointed out the video released showing the helicopter gunship mowing down innocent people in Iraq. These mass murderers gleefully performed their tasks, and even joked and laughed about it afterwards just like in the movies. Clearly they're good guys.

This piece basically has the theme that we're all mentally ill, just to varying degrees. I find that to be utter bullshit and I think the author is a fool.

The condition at work here is called cognitive dissonance. People are somehow able to accept mass murder on one hand and revile it on the other. All they need is a scapegoat to sacrifice. Iraqis reading this story probably tell each other "now they know how we feel". This is like a Hollywood style satirical atonement ritual.

With regards to the helicopter gunship video, one wonders why the US military spends so much on those craft if they could just send a dope smoking kid with a Glock into battle with the same effectiveness. Draft all the pot heads and junior college dropouts.

Last Edited by Plautus on 01/30/2011 04:26 PM

"Sheriff Dupnik will likely be called as a defense witness for Jared Loughner, the shooter in the Tucson massacre, as he has provided Loughner's lawyers with a defense - "vitriol" from talk radio, in particular from Rush Limbaugh - as the source.

Even better for Loughner's defense, President Obama has come to his rescue again providing a testimony in his eulogy speech that Judge Roll had just stopped by for a social visit, not in a business capacity, which keeps Loughner from being charged with a capital crime. Did politics and ideology just trump the judicial system?"

[link to prescottdailycourier.com]

This kid must have read Machiavelli:

"Ironically, one of the defendants who may be affected by the crisis is Loughner. Even though his trial will be held in San Diego, his pretrial proceedings will still be conducted in Phoenix, and those could be postponed while judicial officials deal with the backlog of cases.

Arizona federal courts have seen their criminal caseload jump by 65% in the last two years. The state was already dealing with two judicial vacancies when Roll was killed in the January 8 attack in Tucson, further reducing the number of available judges.

Arizona is not the only state dealing with vacant federal judgeships, as partisan politics in Washington have delayed the confirmation of numerous appointees by President Barack Obama."

[link to www.allgov.com]

You also have to wonder, what could cause such a sharp increase in federal criminal cases? The obvious answer is a sharp increase in federal laws.

"I for one no longer accept the corporate media baloney about a lone crazed gunman, anymore than I believe that Arab hijackers with box cutters had the influence to get NORAD to stand down while they crashed jetliners into the WTC on 9/11. It is my opinion that this was an organized hit on Gabby Giffords and Judge John Roll, two for one. Gabby because she was such a likable, effervescent, beautiful and strong woman, who will now become the next poster child for gun control and increased social controls over law abiding American Citizens. Judge Roll was targeted because he had just ruled and thwarted the administration’s plans to seize the privately held pension and profit sharing plans of the nation, which is really the last piggy bank left to loot in the entire country."

[link to www.salem-news.com]

"If this was a professional special forces type job there would have been a four man team composed of a scout in the crowd, a spotter and another shooter from another location, and of course the man in charge to insure that everyone does their assigned task to insure the assignations are complete and the target taken out. And of course Loughner, the patsy ,to be the fall guy for an organized assignation[sic]."


[link to www.salem-news.com]

Great...

Now according to you, there was a 4 man team there to secretly meet their lovers...

I've already addressed your complaints many times:

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 11)

"Allow people to sue if they feel they were illegally stopped from carrying a firearm into a government facility or event. If a person wins the lawsuit and the government agency doesn't pay within 72 hours, the person has the right to seize as payment 'any municipal vehicles used or operated for the benefit of any elected office holder' in the relevant government agency."

[link to blogs.villagevoice.com]

"Many institutions are constructing elaborate networks to detect such students and intervene before tragedy unfolds. In particular, mandatory evaluations (that is, involuntary visits to counselors or even psychiatric hospitals) are becoming a standard mechanism to enhance campus security. But do they make anyone safer?"

[link to chronicle.com]

Loughner was a typical kid, by all relevant accounts. He didn't do anything but make a few smartass comments the likes of which we've all heard before by many people who are not only harmless but altruistic. This is all part of the psychological warfare to make people see enemies everywhere except where they exist, in police departments, in military bases, in government offices.

Last Edited by Plautus on 01/31/2011 07:23 PM

Keep on, Plautus! We need your keen detective skills!

There isn't really any new information about this case coming to light so I don't really have any more to add at this point. Maybe in a couple months when Loughner has another hearing we'll know more, but as far as I'm concerned this is basically over. Loughner will get a speedy trial and be given a lethal injection at the end. That's my prediction, that was Zamudio's prediction on the day of the event, I see nothing that's going to get in the way of that.

"Giffords was talking to my wife and standing between us. I was waiting my turn and being like a good husband, not interrupting their conversation. I was just waiting until she turned to talk to me. I was looking down at the ground and all of a sudden I heard the gun shot, and by the second shot I was lying on the concrete slab."

[link to dailytrojan.com]

Another participant standing right next to Giffords who apparently can't identify Loughner as the shooter, or anyone for that matter.

"The trauma surgeon who led the medical response to the shooting of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 18 others in the Tucson area last month says the swift reaction by his hospital didn't happen by accident."

[link to www.azcentral.com]

Plenty of "active shooter" hysteria:

"January 9th, 2011 9:41 am PT

That's the case for every active shooter here in a country with due process available to them."

[link to www.examiner.com]

"January 10, 2011 - 10:00 AM

While the bulletin, issued late Sunday night, said it’s too early to determine the motive behind Saturday's attack, it offered tips for responding to “active shooter cases,” one source said."

[link to liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com]

"January 10, 2011
Arm yourself for an active shooter incident off duty"

[link to www.policeone.com]

"Department of Homeland Security advises members of Congress on dealing with `active shooter'

January 10 2011 at 02:02 PM"

[link to www.sfgate.com]

"01.11.2011

McGinty, a developer of the ASIS International Active Shooter program who is currently contracted by the Department of Homeland Security for active shooter and workplace violence programs, knows that preparing for an active shooter in a public space is extremely difficult."

[link to www.securitydirectornews.com]

"Posted: 01/11/2011

'It makes the officer react to certain stimulus like an active shooter scenario,' said officer Scott Johnson."

[link to www.wptv.com]

"Published: Wednesday, January 12, 2011

The odds of an active shooter situation occurring on Centralia College campus are low. The impact, however, could be devastating."

[link to www.ccbluegold.com]

"Wednesday, January 12, 2011

In the introduction, Simmerman notes, 'An Active Shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearms and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims.'"

[link to www.marshallnews.com]

"Jan. 12, 2011, 7:38 p.m.

Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance Gainer, Capitol Police Chief Phillip Morse and representatives from the FBI addressed about 200 Senate staffers in the Dirksen Senate Office Building and handed out a Department of Homeland Security packet called “Active Shooter, How to Respond.”"

[link to www.rollcall.com]

"The Installation Antiterrorism Office will be offering Antiterrorism Level 1 Training and Active Shooter Awareness Training Jan. 20 at Alexander Hall."

[link to www.fortgordonsignal.com]

"Friday 14th January, 2011

That's why the school is spreading the word about the active shooter video, posted on the school's web page."

[link to story.albuquerqueexpress.com]

"Jan 14, 2011

With Active Shooter incidents becoming so common, and the threat of a multiple assaults like Mumbai happening at any time, SSI tm has taken a pro active approach by expanding its counter terrorism training programs, (including the School Safety programs that have been given to agencies since 2005), to address active shooter incidents."

[link to www.newsjunkyjournal.com]

"Friday 01/14/2011 7:00 pm

However, the shots fired were blanks, and the rifles toted were merely plastic props in the MPD's active shooter training scenarios staged in the Credit Union National Association Wednesday and Friday."

[link to www.isthmus.com]

"Published:2011-01-18

Almost 13 years have passed since that awful day and yet most of us are still unaware of any changes to police response to an 'Active Shooter' scenario that would help us all sleep better at night. As it turns out, a lot has changed and the majority of law enforcement departments in the United States train for the Active School Shooter scenario."

[link to www.snohomishtimes.com]

"Thursday, Jan. 20, 2011

University Police presented The Five Outs: Surviving an Active Shooter program to twenty-five staff members at the Bryce Jordan Center. Investigation by PSO Bywater."

[link to www.centredaily.com]

"January 20, 2011 2:31pm

The NYPD released a report on "active shooters" at One Police Plaza on Thursday."

[link to www.dnainfo.com]

"January 20, 2011, 5:46 PM ET

The Tucson shooting in which six people were killed and 14 others injured, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, is what law enforcement officers call an “active shooter attack.”"

[link to blogs.wsj.com]

"1:53 AM, January 21, 2011

The recommendations, prepared for building security personnel, are from a Counterterrorism Bureau study of more than 200 "active shooter" incidents over the last 44 years."

[link to www.nypost.com]

This term didn't even seem to exist a few years ago, it's been saturating the news ever since this shooting in Tucson.

"'However, we also believe it is not only possible, but imperative that Congress review the relevant issues in a civil and objective (manner).'

Smith rejected the Democrats' request last week, saying the event could weaken the case against the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner.

'(To) undertake such a review in the context of the tragic shooting in Arizona, as the minority suggests, could have the unintended effect of prejudicing the ongoing criminal proceedings against Loughner in which his mental status is likely to be a key issue,' Smith said."

[link to www.istockanalyst.com]

Yes, of course, it's a pathetic excuse, but invoking it does suggest a significantly weak case against Loughner.

"Meanwhile, The Associated Press reports that prosecutors have asked a federal judge to order Loughner to submit handwriting samples, to compare with documents seized in a search of his home.

Prosecutors said in a filing Thursday that they plan to introduce at trial documents found at Loughner's home that make references to Giffords, guns and bullets.

Prosecutors said an expert will need a sample of Loughner's handwriting to determine if he wrote the documents."

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Why bother with handwriting experts and boring analysis, surely they can just go to the media who have repeated 10,000 times that he wrote crazy shit on an envelope.

Op, I think it's entirely possible that you have been brainwashed by your endless rabbit holing. You are in danger of a serious mind control research mental break.

I'm not kidding.

I'm worried that you may be the next big news story.

Seriously, log off from the internet for at least 30 days and do not watch any news, Get plenty of exercise and fresh air.

Conspiracy research is replete with people wh started out normal and then lost their minds.

I've been suggesting that he seek help since he signed on to the site...

He's a time bomb...

Fellate me.

I've already addressed your complaints numerous times:

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 11)

"The request was made Thursday in a court filing in which prosecutors also said they plan to introduce documents at trial that were found at suspect Jared Loughner's home and make references to Giffords, guns and bullets.

Other notebooks containing handwriting were found at the house, but no further details were provided on those documents."

[link to www.forbes.com]

Presumably the other "documents" that have Loughner's handwriting on them aren't an obvious match for the scrawled words on the envelope, or they wouldn't be pushing for handwriting samples. I wonder what the operating notion is there, that the "crazy" altered his handwriting, probably.

"Instead of agreeing to provide handwriting samples, Loughner's lawyers offered to review the documents and perhaps make an agreement about the handwriting. Prosecutors declined that request and said Loughner's handwriting samples would be taken at the federal courthouse in Tucson if permission is granted by U.S. District Larry A. Burns of San Diego."

[link to www.forbes.com]

State refusing to disclose evidence here, not allowing Loughner's lawyers (or him) to review the "documents" cited. Do these documents even exist or are they after a handwriting sample so they can fake some?

Is Loughner even being appropriately charged?

"To war against the United States or to assist its enemies constitutes treason; and it is an offense to advocate the forcible or violent overthrow of the federal or any state government, or the assassination of any officer of such governments (18 U.S.C. sections 2381, 2385 (1976)). Otherwise, assassination is a common crime to be dealt with by the state or other government in whose jurisdiction it occurs."

[link to law.jrank.org]

I'm still looking for the federal law that's repeatedly cited in the news which suspends local prosecution when a member of Congress is "attempted" (almost) assassinated.

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/04/2011 09:44 PM

"Title 18, Section 351(f): If Federal investigative or prosecutive jurisdiction is asserted for a violation of this section, such assertion shall suspend the exercise of jurisdiction by a State or local authority, under any applicable State or local law, until Federal action is terminated."

[link to www.tucsonsentinel.com]

"
(a) Whoever kills any individual who is a Member of Congress or a Member-of-Congress-elect, a member of the executive branch of the Government who is the head, or a person nominated to be head during the pendency of such nomination, of a department listed in section 101 of title 5 or the second ranking official in such department, the Director (or a person nominated to be Director during the pendency of such nomination) or Deputy Director of Central Intelligence, a major Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate (as defined in section 3056 of this title), or a Justice of the United States, as defined in section 451 of title 28, or a person nominated to be a Justice of the United States, during the pendency of such nomination, shall be punished as provided by sections 1111 and 1112 of this title.

(b) Whoever kidnaps any individual designated in subsection (a) of this section shall be punished (1) by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, or (2) by death or imprisonment for any term of years or for life, if death results to such individual.

(c) Whoever attempts to kill or kidnap any individual designated in subsection (a) of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

(d) If two or more persons conspire to kill or kidnap any individual designated in subsection (a) of this section and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be punished (1) by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, or (2) by death or imprisonment for any term of years or for life, if death results to such individual.

(e) Whoever assaults any person designated in subsection (a) of this section shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the assault involved the use of a dangerous weapon, or personal injury results, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(f) If Federal investigative or prosecutive jurisdiction is asserted for a violation of this section, such assertion shall suspend the exercise of jurisdiction by a State or local authority, under any applicable State or local law, until Federal action is terminated.

(g) Violations of this section shall be investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Assistance may be requested from any Federal, State, or local agency, including the Army, Navy, and Air Force, any statute, rule, or regulation to the contrary notwithstanding.

(h) In a prosecution for an offense under this section the Government need not prove that the defendant knew that the victim of the offense was an individual protected by this section.

(i) There is extraterritorial jurisdiction over the conduct prohibited by this section.
"

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/04/2011 09:52 PM

One word: MKULTRA

Simple but effective.

I wish we could get our country back from these thieves but it would take a massive uprising and the sheeple just want to watch American Idol.