Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell.

Jesus was talking about purgatory, which is real. Hell is real, too, though. Mother Mary has shown the reality of both to many visionaries during her apparitions. Sorry, Protestants and spiritualists - you are wrong.

Jesus was talking about purgatory, which is real. Hell is real, too, though. Mother Mary has shown the reality of both to many visionaries during her apparitions. Sorry, Protestants and spiritualists - you are wrong.

Its all here in black and white.

If you say this is not true you are calling jesus a LIAR.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.[/

I don't know what you are trying to do, but its quite sickening. FIRE means just what it says. Either a person accepts Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross, repents, and lives right by Jesus or they don't. If they don't they go to hell. FOREVER. And NO ONE can get prayed out of hell once they are in. Don't be led by satans lies anymore. Accept what the bible says - not what you want it to mean to make yourself feel safer for living in sin. Go to church. Ask a preacher. Now. Before you are led farther into the tunnel.

So you are seriously saying that God having a plan and a heart and a will to SAVE ALL is SICK and eternally and sadistically torturing billions FOREVER without mercy in the most ruthless sickest most twisted act of unmitigated sadism in all history is NOT sick.?

You hell screamers are UTEEERLY EVIL TO THE CORE.

I have been told that my Father (GOD) loves me more than I love my own children.

There is NOTHING my kids could ever do that I would condemn them to Hell for, so I can't believe in Hell.

GOD is MINE and not the God of any BOOK written by another MAN

Booktards and Churchtards are Paper and Stone yards

Nothing more

Names are the Guests of Reality

You are trying to win a race that never ends.

haha

It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.

The millenium.

The rightous get to rule and reign during the millenium..the AGE LASTING life..given only to overcomers and the bride.

The age lasting punishment is NOT being part of that. And at the second ressurection at the end of the millenuim..all those who had to die the second death and go through the "Fire" are never allowed into the Holy city.

But I have already explained all this.

Why are people so terrified and afraid to let go of a monstrous torture inflicting God?

I know why..because I used to think the same way.

Its based on out ALL TOO HUMAN NEED to see our "enemies" suffer and PAY.

But Jesus didnt teach THAT eather...he was all about CORRECTION..NOT pointless revenge.

God cannot be an asshole like satan is.

Its impossible.

Satan is hate and revenge and force and therefore evil.

Its black and white.

Good and evil.

Jesus defined "Good".

The opposite is evil.


Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

This^^^^is "Good"

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

This is what christians preach^^^

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

This^^^is "Good" and shows patience and love.

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

He Loves both the good and the evil and makes no discrimination in how he treats them.

Its is the essence of "Good"


Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

This is what christians do. The hang around eachother patting eachother on the back at how "Holy" they think they are but curse and hate and condemn everyone else all the time. That is "Evil"

Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

As I said above its "Evil"

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So perfect must not mean quoting scriptures or being all self rightous as they do but it means not being an asshole to everyone else.

Because Gods not an asshole.

It's really pretty simple. After we die in this life, we wake up into reality. When we are there, we are overcome with all the pain that we have ever given to others.

It's only when we are clean from the evils that we have done, that we can move on.

Everything else said by all the religions in the world, is just to give people power and control over you in this life.

If a man does not believe in Jesus, he will die in his sins, right? So then he goes to hell. Obviously time is different than what we know it to be here. Jesus knows what will happen in the future. The people who have gone there in nde's have said that it feels eternal because there is no "tomorrow". Jesus is known as the "I AM" because it's a constant present state. So if a man goes to hell as Jesus said, you must believe in reincarnation so that he is able to be born again in the flesh to pay off his debt?

Jesus was talking about purgatory, which is real. Hell is real, too, though. Mother Mary has shown the reality of both to many visionaries during her apparitions. Sorry, Protestants and spiritualists - you are wrong.

Mary K Baxter