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FBI UNDER INVESTIGATION for LaVoy Finicum shooting!!

 
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Investigation of FBI agents involved in LaVoy Finicum shooting shocks justice community

It's drummed into every police officer and federal agent during training: They must report every time they discharge their gun on duty and justify each shot.

So Tuesday's announcement that a member of the FBI's elite Hostage Rescue Team allegedly failed to disclose two gunshots fired at Robert "LaVoy" Finicum seemed inconceivable to former FBI agents and criminal justice experts.

That the bullets missed their apparent target drew even more disbelief. One struck the roof of Finicum's truck and another missed Finicum and his pickup.

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Wow! Hawk just showed what the 5 FBI guys really did! Might have to catch the archive of it later to see it.



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I might have to catch it later I was just catching up and speculating to myself part of the reason might be whatever they did as they huddled around his dying body and then them obviously flipping him off. But I am not sure......I think we need to wait for the families autopsy if they did an independent one and for their reaction.
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That's exactly Hawk's theory!
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Really? Well I am not the only one with this line of thinking.....it's a solid theory. It really makes sense I also wonder what elite national fbi team means even.

lavoy was murdered shot in the back and if I am not mistaken in the places called out in an early video of the shooting you know the one where they slowed it down...shot one shot two I think it might come close to lining up with the first three shots. but I haven't looked into it but one lower side of back..they said it was last but maybe first idk I am still taking it all in.
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I just caught the end of Hawk talking about it but it sure looked like 5 people standing around LaVoy's body. I'm like you, I'm still taking it all in.
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New Video Released by "The Oregonian" - March 8, 2016

In-Car Finicum Shooting Video Synched with FBI Aerial Video

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Published on Mar 8, 2016

In a presentation at the Deschutes County Sheriff's office, a video presentation was shown combining the FBI's aerial footage of the LaVoy Finicum shooting with Shauna Cox's cellphone video from in the car.
 Quoting: Suzieq


That was some seriously fucked up shit. Killed in cold blood.
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Those incompetent son of a bitches. There were children in that vehicle, children that may suffer the rest of their life from being exposed to the death and repeated shootings. Everyone of the shooters should be punished to the maximum amount of the law. That makes my blood boil. To think that is the country that I live in, FBI, all should be punished for this behavior.
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This is really sad that we the people are under assault, and especially people that a working on land the .gov illegally owned. I shed a tear for this nation on a daily basis. :(
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New Video Released by "The Oregonian" - March 8, 2016

In-Car Finicum Shooting Video Synched with FBI Aerial Video

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Published on Mar 8, 2016

In a presentation at the Deschutes County Sheriff's office, a video presentation was shown combining the FBI's aerial footage of the LaVoy Finicum shooting with Shauna Cox's cellphone video from in the car.
 Quoting: Suzieq


That was some seriously fucked up shit. Killed in cold blood.
 Quoting: Chip


Those incompetent son of a bitches. There were children in that vehicle, children that may suffer the rest of their life from being exposed to the death and repeated shootings. Everyone of the shooters should be punished to the maximum amount of the law. That makes my blood boil. To think that is the country that I live in, FBI, all should be punished for this behavior.
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They took the children as human shields?
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Okay so Hawk just showed it again. It's from this video. You can see them surrounding his body starting about 2:03 in the video:



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Please tell me how many shots do you hear on this video?

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Really? LaVoy Finicum was a stupid fucking idiot just asking for it! And he should not even have been there in the first place.
In fact, they're all idiots! What the fuck does anyone expect but an outcome like this?


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The man was trying to point out and change corruption in our government, and also the fact they want to control all your resources and food.

I suppose if you are not a landowner or farmer, you wouldnt give a shit, but in case you are to stupid to understand it.....you can only regulate people so much and when you take away from them the means to support their families, they will defend it to the death. Truly a concept you obviously do not know anything about.

Its people like Lavoy who fought in WW2 who put their country before their own fears. If I were in a war its men like him I would rather have fighting with me, not your pussy piece of shit bootlicking ass.
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The. Show. Must. Go. On.

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hf
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how come you stupids are actually shown the video proof, and see the officer almost ran over by LaVoy, far as I can see he DID run him over or hit him with the truck. do you think if you hit the FBI with your truck they're not going to shoot at you? good luck with your long difficult lives.
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You are uninformed: No Police were injured in this.
If we had a proper quality video( this one has been tampered with to blur it), then you would probably see him shoot at Lavoy's vehicle and this is why he jumped toward the vehicle.
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Includes a transcript of the press conference:

Officials say Oregon state troopers’ fatal shooting of LaVoy Finicum was justified and necessary

BEND — Two Oregon State Police troopers were justified in their January roadside shooting and killing of one of the leaders of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation leaders, authorities announced Tuesday.

But a federal and state investigation continues into two shots fired at the leader, LaVoy Finicum, apparently by FBI agents, after Finicum plowed his vehicle into a snowbank and stepped out. The shots missed, officials said Tuesday.

In all, law enforcement personnel fired eight shots during the fatal traffic stop along U.S. Highway 395, officials said. Six were fired by state troopers and two by the FBI agents.

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God you people are dumb, lol.
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Direct link to the transcript of the press conference:

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She shows great composure considering what she has gone through. I hope she gets a measure of justice.
:)
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The HRT operators were interviewed on the evening of
January 26 and again on February 5th and 6th during the
investigation by the Major Incident Team. Of particular
concern to all of us, is that the FBI HRT operators did not
disclose their shots to our investigators. Nor did they
disclose specific actions they took after the shooting.


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She shows great composure considering what she has gone through. I hope she gets a measure of justice.
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Yes she does.
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Bundy's attorney weighs in on investigation into shooting death of LaVoy Finicum

EUGENE, Ore. - The Eugene-based attorney for jailed Malheaur National Wildlife Refuge occupation leader Ammon Bundy voiced criticism Tuesday of the FBI's handling of the shooting of LaVoy Finicum.

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Thread: LaVoy Finicum death results - MURDER new video from inside Lavoy's truck. Alternative Media is shunned.
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New Video Released by "The Oregonian" - March 8, 2016

In-Car Finicum Shooting Video Synched with FBI Aerial Video

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Published on Mar 8, 2016

In a presentation at the Deschutes County Sheriff's office, a video presentation was shown combining the FBI's aerial footage of the LaVoy Finicum shooting with Shauna Cox's cellphone video from in the car.
 Quoting: Suzieq


That was some seriously fucked up shit. Killed in cold blood.
 Quoting: Chip


Those incompetent son of a bitches. There were children in that vehicle, children that may suffer the rest of their life from being exposed to the death and repeated shootings. Everyone of the shooters should be punished to the maximum amount of the law. That makes my blood boil. To think that is the country that I live in, FBI, all should be punished for this behavior.
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Yeah...I guess I really don't understand why they believe they are the ultimate authority. It's surreal.

This whole debacle was silly. If the feds would have just said...whatever dudes and left them be...they would have thought hey...thus is stupid...the Hammonds don'the even want our help. Then walked away. No deaths, no arrests.

But...the feds got a hard on. 1dunno1

Bad strategy on both sides.
 Quoting: Chip

whats your strategy suggestion then?
wait until they take your land?
Your neighbors?

The FED's are going after tens of thousands of acres right now. Then it will be thousands of acres, then it will be tens of acres. How much are you going to allow them to take before you develop a strategy that will protect you and yours?

The Bundys, The Hammonds, The Finicums all did their damned best to work a strategy that made sense to them.
PEACEFUL PROTEST and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
PROTECT LIBERTY. STAND UP AND BE HEARD.
Yes, it cost LaVoy his life, this is tragic. But LaVoy was a hero, drawing fire from those in the truck. He, sir, is a HERO! I admire his strategy, sir!
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LOL, yeah, the treasonous bastards are "investigating themselves". They got themselves a little circle jerk going on.
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That was some seriously fucked up shit. Killed in cold blood.
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Those incompetent son of a bitches. There were children in that vehicle, children that may suffer the rest of their life from being exposed to the death and repeated shootings. Everyone of the shooters should be punished to the maximum amount of the law. That makes my blood boil. To think that is the country that I live in, FBI, all should be punished for this behavior.
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Yeah...I guess I really don't understand why they believe they are the ultimate authority. It's surreal.

This whole debacle was silly. If the feds would have just said...whatever dudes and left them be...they would have thought hey...thus is stupid...the Hammonds don'the even want our help. Then walked away. No deaths, no arrests.

But...the feds got a hard on. 1dunno1

Bad strategy on both sides.
 Quoting: Chip

whats your strategy suggestion then?
wait until they take your land?
Your neighbors?

The FED's are going after tens of thousands of acres right now. Then it will be thousands of acres, then it will be tens of acres. How much are you going to allow them to take before you develop a strategy that will protect you and yours?

The Bundys, The Hammonds, The Finicums all did their damned best to work a strategy that made sense to them.
PEACEFUL PROTEST and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
PROTECT LIBERTY. STAND UP AND BE HEARD.
Yes, it cost LaVoy his life, this is tragic. But LaVoy was a hero, drawing fire from those in the truck. He, sir, is a HERO! I admire his strategy, sir!
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We have our own little land grabs going on here in Missouri,too. They are diverting large amounts of money from a lead contamination settlement to buy up thousands of acres along the Eleven Point River about 150 miles south of any lead mining activity. The people in my area are pissed.


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Those incompetent son of a bitches. There were children in that vehicle, children that may suffer the rest of their life from being exposed to the death and repeated shootings. Everyone of the shooters should be punished to the maximum amount of the law. That makes my blood boil. To think that is the country that I live in, FBI, all should be punished for this behavior.
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Yeah...I guess I really don't understand why they believe they are the ultimate authority. It's surreal.

This whole debacle was silly. If the feds would have just said...whatever dudes and left them be...they would have thought hey...thus is stupid...the Hammonds don'the even want our help. Then walked away. No deaths, no arrests.

But...the feds got a hard on. 1dunno1

Bad strategy on both sides.
 Quoting: Chip

whats your strategy suggestion then?
wait until they take your land?
Your neighbors?

The FED's are going after tens of thousands of acres right now. Then it will be thousands of acres, then it will be tens of acres. How much are you going to allow them to take before you develop a strategy that will protect you and yours?

The Bundys, The Hammonds, The Finicums all did their damned best to work a strategy that made sense to them.
PEACEFUL PROTEST and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
PROTECT LIBERTY. STAND UP AND BE HEARD.
Yes, it cost LaVoy his life, this is tragic. But LaVoy was a hero, drawing fire from those in the truck. He, sir, is a HERO! I admire his strategy, sir!
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We elect people that recognize the land grab for what it is.
 Quoting: Chip


So, stop electing people that grab land!

The what it is, is not what it has to be, it is because we allow it to be WHAT IT IS!
Go back to the Constitution, they have no right! That IS what it is!
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Those incompetent son of a bitches. There were children in that vehicle, children that may suffer the rest of their life from being exposed to the death and repeated shootings. Everyone of the shooters should be punished to the maximum amount of the law. That makes my blood boil. To think that is the country that I live in, FBI, all should be punished for this behavior.
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Yeah...I guess I really don't understand why they believe they are the ultimate authority. It's surreal.

This whole debacle was silly. If the feds would have just said...whatever dudes and left them be...they would have thought hey...thus is stupid...the Hammonds don'the even want our help. Then walked away. No deaths, no arrests.

But...the feds got a hard on. 1dunno1

Bad strategy on both sides.
 Quoting: Chip

whats your strategy suggestion then?
wait until they take your land?
Your neighbors?

The FED's are going after tens of thousands of acres right now. Then it will be thousands of acres, then it will be tens of acres. How much are you going to allow them to take before you develop a strategy that will protect you and yours?

The Bundys, The Hammonds, The Finicums all did their damned best to work a strategy that made sense to them.
PEACEFUL PROTEST and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
PROTECT LIBERTY. STAND UP AND BE HEARD.
Yes, it cost LaVoy his life, this is tragic. But LaVoy was a hero, drawing fire from those in the truck. He, sir, is a HERO! I admire his strategy, sir!
 Quoting: Chugiakian

We have our own little land grabs going on here in Missouri,too. They are diverting large amounts of money from a lead contamination settlement to buy up thousands of acres along the Eleven Point River about 150 miles south of any lead mining activity. The people in my area are pissed.


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again, they will go after the tens of thousands, before they take the thousands, then it will be the tens, then the one's!
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LOL, yeah, the treasonous bastards are "investigating themselves". They got themselves a little circle jerk going on.
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F'n Bastards!
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I love how these corrupt letter organizations investigate themselves.
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Actually, in this case we all should.

This very much appears to be a competent ethical investigation being conducted by a team from Central Oregon.

Even with State police Officers on that team it sure looks to me like there is no coverup now.

My complements to the Sheriff.
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ITS because a bunch of overamped roided out military wannabees trying to look tough and have a shootem up along side the road. Why didnt they just wait until he was at the sheriffs office and arrest him there and no one would have gotten injured or put in harms way. Much less butchered along side the highway.
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You have questions about the LaVoy Finicum shooting, we have answers

Q. On the day Finicum was shot, how did the tactical plan develop before the stop and how far up the chain of command did it originate?

A. The plan was devised by the FBI's elite Hostage Rescue Team and approved by Greg Bretzing, FBI special agent in charge in Oregon. The plan also was reviewed by top officials at FBI headquarters and at the Oregon State Police.

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The same one that's under investigation now?
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This!
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I may be wrong, but I beleive the bullet gouge on the roof of the truck came from the initial stop. Happened right before or as he pulls away.
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That wasn't on the sound track of the cell phone and was not mentioned by the occupants of the car.

They do mention being shot at as they came around the bend about 100 yes away from the roadblock.
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Yeah...I guess I really don't understand why they believe they are the ultimate authority. It's surreal.

This whole debacle was silly. If the feds would have just said...whatever dudes and left them be...they would have thought hey...thus is stupid...the Hammonds don'the even want our help. Then walked away. No deaths, no arrests.

But...the feds got a hard on. 1dunno1

Bad strategy on both sides.
 Quoting: Chip

whats your strategy suggestion then?
wait until they take your land?
Your neighbors?

The FED's are going after tens of thousands of acres right now. Then it will be thousands of acres, then it will be tens of acres. How much are you going to allow them to take before you develop a strategy that will protect you and yours?

The Bundys, The Hammonds, The Finicums all did their damned best to work a strategy that made sense to them.
PEACEFUL PROTEST and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
PROTECT LIBERTY. STAND UP AND BE HEARD.
Yes, it cost LaVoy his life, this is tragic. But LaVoy was a hero, drawing fire from those in the truck. He, sir, is a HERO! I admire his strategy, sir!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


We elect people that recognize the land grab for what it is.
 Quoting: Chip


So, stop electing people that grab land!

The what it is, is not what it has to be, it is because we allow it to be WHAT IT IS!
Go back to the Constitution, they have no right! That IS what it is!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


yeah right, go back to the Constitution, "stop electing people that grab land".

That will work.

laugh





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