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Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79

 
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The emergency spillway is doing exactly what it was designed to do. It's called an emergency spillway for a reason.
It will be lined with rocks, but everyone knows it will remove the landscape when it's opened.

The engineering is done to maximize the dam safety, and to withstand an earthquake, the parking lot is not part of the Dam. It's meant to be destroyed.
If the emergency spillway opens, then the least concern will be the beautiful landscape that is below the dam.

The emergency spillway is designed to preserve the Dam from failure.
It's working as it was designed.
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Actually, that emergency spillway was never up to snuff from the day it was "completed" it was incomplete in that it lacked a smooth slope back to the river that would allow water to sheet and minimize erosion. It doesn't have to be concrete but it sure can't have brush and trees growing on it and a road meandering through the contours.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
If they can get enough water out of the lake before the rains come and more snowmelt goes into the lake, there may be a chance at saving it. The Earthen part that is under the spillway and the emergency spillway, that is in risk of breaking apart.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
What do you think about Sacramento?
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Unfortunately, I believe that the dam will fail. This means that Sacramento is in serious trouble.
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Total coin toss. It's in the weathers hands. If it rains hard, surfs up enjoy a 500 year wave.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
Just for the record, Ive seen this type of thing before. We get it every spring in upstate NY where the Mohawk river meets the Hudson. They can take a pounding and not go anywhere. What makes them crumble are a) contractors that cheat with their cement mixes, and b) debris.

Hard to cheat w cement these days and not much debris coming over that dam.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35676288


You're talking about concrete dams. This damn is all earthen. It can't even take a sustained overflow because it will erode the top of the damn.
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This "earthen dam" does have a coffer dam inside it. Yep, it's concrete along with another concrete section straight down from the top.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
ABC 7 is reporting 7 feet below emergency spillway. Inflow 40k - outflow 100k - how is that even possible? Drop the lake level 7 feet in one day?
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4 inches per hour = 1 foot every 3 hours = 8 feet per day at current volume.
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ABC 7 is reporting 7 feet below emergency spillway. Inflow 40k - outflow 100k - how is that even possible? Drop the lake level 7 feet in one day?
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No way will they get it down 50' before the next lot of rain if thats the rate.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
Just look at the present condition of the emergency overflow.

[link to www.trbimg.com]
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There is absolutely no way they can patch that main spillway. Maybe Friday but not now.

They never made any effort at all to modernize and build a spillway for the Emergency Spillway. Instead they built a huge parking lot at one end and compromised its entire function. This whole disaster could have been prevented.


:Orodis:

Here is what I mean. The first half of the Espillway is all that was intended to overflow and ONLY in extreme flooding- last resort. The 2nd half was not even meant to be used and they had it reinforced with boulders and concrete under only THAT PART (which held btw). The parking lot and on down there was NOT supposed to even be under water. Fatal flaw never fixed and it will cost them the WHOLE DAM.
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


That pic is a bit of a misrepresentation hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73694924


If it is, why had they only bolstered it below and exactly where the red is? They had done absolutely nothing to control it anywhere around the parking lot.

Our main answer is

Expanded Evacuations areas:
Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Linda, Marysville, Nicolaus, Oroville, Palermo, Plumas Lake, Thermalito, Wyandotte in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties.
Today, they moved at least one evacuation center to an even higher area.

California National Guard officially on call, entire force
Swift Water Rescue Task forces brought in
Military Police activated
FEMA Coordination Center activated

They already know. When in the history of disasters have you ever seen this large a mobilization of help before it even happened?
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
From what I've seen is they have lost the entire spillway ramp with erosion eating its way up the slope. if they stop the flow then the E spillway will top again and erode out the wall.

Soon they won't be able to manage flow at all.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
Was it foretold with the folded currency conspiracy just like 9/11?

Check this spillway out!

[link to www.jonathankleck.com]
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
Just look at the present condition of the emergency overflow.

[link to www.trbimg.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64608759



There is absolutely no way they can patch that main spillway. Maybe Friday but not now.

They never made any effort at all to modernize and build a spillway for the Emergency Spillway. Instead they built a huge parking lot at one end and compromised its entire function. This whole disaster could have been prevented.


:Orodis:

Here is what I mean. The first half of the Espillway is all that was intended to overflow and ONLY in extreme flooding- last resort. The 2nd half was not even meant to be used and they had it reinforced with boulders and concrete under only THAT PART (which held btw). The parking lot and on down there was NOT supposed to even be under water. Fatal flaw never fixed and it will cost them the WHOLE DAM.
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


That pic is a bit of a misrepresentation hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73694924


If it is, why had they only bolstered it below and exactly where the red is? They had done absolutely nothing to control it anywhere around the parking lot.

Our main answer is

Expanded Evacuations areas:
Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Linda, Marysville, Nicolaus, Oroville, Palermo, Plumas Lake, Thermalito, Wyandotte in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties.
Today, they moved at least one evacuation center to an even higher area.

California National Guard officially on call, entire force
Swift Water Rescue Task forces brought in
Military Police activated
FEMA Coordination Center activated

They already know. When in the history of disasters have you ever seen this large a mobilization of help before it even happened?
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


Lisa, I was just thinking about this myself. I was wondering, is California known to deploy so many assets out of an abundance of caution like this? Especially since just a couple days ago the line was "everything is fine." I'm having a hard time coming up with a similar example anywhere recently.
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
Someone on another board posted an article that quoted a Navy captain saying "We know the dam is failing". Looking for it..
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Was it foretold with the folded currency conspiracy just like 9/11?

Check this spillway out!

[link to www.jonathankleck.com]
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"PULL IT" - "Lucky" Larry Silverstein WTC building #7 (the third building fell at free fall speed) but not hit with CGI plane SmileyWink
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
What i want to know is this is that concrete actually truly impermeable on that cofferdam because seriously when that spillway opened and blew that hole open it kind of looks like mother nature really wants to win ..
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Re: Lake Oroville Dam Is Failing -Main Spillway to open soon pg. 79
Just look at the present condition of the emergency overflow.

[link to www.trbimg.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64608759



There is absolutely no way they can patch that main spillway. Maybe Friday but not now.

They never made any effort at all to modernize and build a spillway for the Emergency Spillway. Instead they built a huge parking lot at one end and compromised its entire function. This whole disaster could have been prevented.


:Orodis:

Here is what I mean. The first half of the Espillway is all that was intended to overflow and ONLY in extreme flooding- last resort. The 2nd half was not even meant to be used and they had it reinforced with boulders and concrete under only THAT PART (which held btw). The parking lot and on down there was NOT supposed to even be under water. Fatal flaw never fixed and it will cost them the WHOLE DAM.
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


That pic is a bit of a misrepresentation hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73694924


If it is, why had they only bolstered it below and exactly where the red is? They had done absolutely nothing to control it anywhere around the parking lot.

Our main answer is

Expanded Evacuations areas:
Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Linda, Marysville, Nicolaus, Oroville, Palermo, Plumas Lake, Thermalito, Wyandotte in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties.
Today, they moved at least one evacuation center to an even higher area.

California National Guard officially on call, entire force
Swift Water Rescue Task forces brought in
Military Police activated
FEMA Coordination Center activated

They already know. When in the history of disasters have you ever seen this large a mobilization of help before it even happened?
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


When that info was initally posted several pages back, there was no link provided with it. We don't know if that info is true or not? Has anyone seen the Nat Guard in any of the communities which are evacd or any FEMA trucks rolling around anywhere?
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What i want to know is this is that concrete actually truly impermeable on that cofferdam because seriously when that spillway opened and blew that hole open it kind of looks like mother nature really wants to win ..
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She and Father Nature will destroy this dam! hfhf
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Waterfalls are really majestic and aw inspiringhf
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Earthquake for that region will finish it.
That area on EQ watch for the next 72 hours.



Last Edited by EJD on 02/14/2017 04:52 AM
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There is absolutely no way they can patch that main spillway. Maybe Friday but not now.

They never made any effort at all to modernize and build a spillway for the Emergency Spillway. Instead they built a huge parking lot at one end and compromised its entire function. This whole disaster could have been prevented.


:Orodis:

Here is what I mean. The first half of the Espillway is all that was intended to overflow and ONLY in extreme flooding- last resort. The 2nd half was not even meant to be used and they had it reinforced with boulders and concrete under only THAT PART (which held btw). The parking lot and on down there was NOT supposed to even be under water. Fatal flaw never fixed and it will cost them the WHOLE DAM.
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


That pic is a bit of a misrepresentation hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73694924


If it is, why had they only bolstered it below and exactly where the red is? They had done absolutely nothing to control it anywhere around the parking lot.

Our main answer is

Expanded Evacuations areas:
Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Linda, Marysville, Nicolaus, Oroville, Palermo, Plumas Lake, Thermalito, Wyandotte in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties.
Today, they moved at least one evacuation center to an even higher area.

California National Guard officially on call, entire force
Swift Water Rescue Task forces brought in
Military Police activated
FEMA Coordination Center activated

They already know. When in the history of disasters have you ever seen this large a mobilization of help before it even happened?
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


When that info was initally posted several pages back, there was no link provided with it. We don't know if that info is true or not? Has anyone seen the Nat Guard in any of the communities which are evacd or any FEMA trucks rolling around anywhere?
 Quoting: Samara


I remember hearing it during one of the press conferences but just went look it up for some links. Seems the only one not deployed or potentially deployed are the Swift Water Rescue Task forces, which were on their way to Oroville from L.A, but called back because the water was no longer going over the emergency spillway.

So far I haven't seen any FEMA vehicles on the broadcasts, but I spent a good deal of the time grabbing screen shots of the park cam this afternoon. Sounds like Nat Guard is on standby for now.

Here's a few links I found:

All 23,000 California National Guard Soldiers Ordered to Be on Alert for Oroville Dam Emergency
[link to ktla.com]

Southland rescue teams cancelled before leaving to help with Oroville dam emergency
[link to mynewsla.com]

Oroville: Governor Issues Emergency Order; Pentagon Preps Military
[link to www.breitbart.com]
<snip> The orders requires state agencies to “enter into contracts to arrange for the procurement of materials, goods, and services necessary to quickly remove dangerous debris, repair damaged resources, and restore and protect the impacted watershed.” It also invokes California Military and Veterans Code sections 146 and 147, and calls on the California National Guard to mobilize “to support disaster response and relief efforts with all relevant state agencies.”

FEMA activates Oakland center in response to Oroville emergency
[link to www.ktvu.com]
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That pic is a bit of a misrepresentation hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73694924


If it is, why had they only bolstered it below and exactly where the red is? They had done absolutely nothing to control it anywhere around the parking lot.

Our main answer is

Expanded Evacuations areas:
Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Linda, Marysville, Nicolaus, Oroville, Palermo, Plumas Lake, Thermalito, Wyandotte in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties.
Today, they moved at least one evacuation center to an even higher area.

California National Guard officially on call, entire force
Swift Water Rescue Task forces brought in
Military Police activated
FEMA Coordination Center activated

They already know. When in the history of disasters have you ever seen this large a mobilization of help before it even happened?
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


When that info was initally posted several pages back, there was no link provided with it. We don't know if that info is true or not? Has anyone seen the Nat Guard in any of the communities which are evacd or any FEMA trucks rolling around anywhere?
 Quoting: Samara


I remember hearing it during one of the press conferences but just went look it up for some links. Seems the only one not deployed or potentially deployed are the Swift Water Rescue Task forces, which were on their way to Oroville from L.A, but called back because the water was no longer going over the emergency spillway.

So far I haven't seen any FEMA vehicles on the broadcasts, but I spent a good deal of the time grabbing screen shots of the park cam this afternoon. Sounds like Nat Guard is on standby for now.

Here's a few links I found:

All 23,000 California National Guard Soldiers Ordered to Be on Alert for Oroville Dam Emergency
[link to ktla.com]

Southland rescue teams cancelled before leaving to help with Oroville dam emergency
[link to mynewsla.com]

Oroville: Governor Issues Emergency Order; Pentagon Preps Military
[link to www.breitbart.com]
<snip> The orders requires state agencies to “enter into contracts to arrange for the procurement of materials, goods, and services necessary to quickly remove dangerous debris, repair damaged resources, and restore and protect the impacted watershed.” It also invokes California Military and Veterans Code sections 146 and 147, and calls on the California National Guard to mobilize “to support disaster response and relief efforts with all relevant state agencies.”

FEMA activates Oakland center in response to Oroville emergency
[link to www.ktvu.com]
 Quoting: auntiebeads


Tks for those links. So I guess due to the evac order, that perhaps it would automatically trigger these other services to be put on stand by?
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Ugg it won't let me post. I have some very interesting information
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If it is, why had they only bolstered it below and exactly where the red is? They had done absolutely nothing to control it anywhere around the parking lot.

Our main answer is

Expanded Evacuations areas:
Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Linda, Marysville, Nicolaus, Oroville, Palermo, Plumas Lake, Thermalito, Wyandotte in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties.
Today, they moved at least one evacuation center to an even higher area.

California National Guard officially on call, entire force
Swift Water Rescue Task forces brought in
Military Police activated
FEMA Coordination Center activated

They already know. When in the history of disasters have you ever seen this large a mobilization of help before it even happened?
 Quoting: ~*Always Deplorable Lisa*~


When that info was initally posted several pages back, there was no link provided with it. We don't know if that info is true or not? Has anyone seen the Nat Guard in any of the communities which are evacd or any FEMA trucks rolling around anywhere?
 Quoting: Samara


I remember hearing it during one of the press conferences but just went look it up for some links. Seems the only one not deployed or potentially deployed are the Swift Water Rescue Task forces, which were on their way to Oroville from L.A, but called back because the water was no longer going over the emergency spillway.

So far I haven't seen any FEMA vehicles on the broadcasts, but I spent a good deal of the time grabbing screen shots of the park cam this afternoon. Sounds like Nat Guard is on standby for now.

Here's a few links I found:

All 23,000 California National Guard Soldiers Ordered to Be on Alert for Oroville Dam Emergency
[link to ktla.com]

Southland rescue teams cancelled before leaving to help with Oroville dam emergency
[link to mynewsla.com]

Oroville: Governor Issues Emergency Order; Pentagon Preps Military
[link to www.breitbart.com]
<snip> The orders requires state agencies to “enter into contracts to arrange for the procurement of materials, goods, and services necessary to quickly remove dangerous debris, repair damaged resources, and restore and protect the impacted watershed.” It also invokes California Military and Veterans Code sections 146 and 147, and calls on the California National Guard to mobilize “to support disaster response and relief efforts with all relevant state agencies.”

FEMA activates Oakland center in response to Oroville emergency
[link to www.ktvu.com]
 Quoting: auntiebeads


Tks for those links. So I guess due to the evac order, that perhaps it would automatically trigger these other services to be put on stand by?
 Quoting: Samara


Yea, when Gov. Brown signed the Executive Order, all those things were put in motion. Did you see the Cal OES live stream right after the announcement? They streamed it for 7 hours. It was one of the things that struck me as peculiar. Like they were proving something. I don't know exactly what I mean, was just weird to see them stream it right after the Executive Order was signed but before a full catastrophic failure of the dam. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Ugg it won't let me post. I have some very interesting information
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hmmm spell it out and don't put the .com? Curious now
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Someone on another board posted an article that quoted a Navy captain saying "We know the dam is failing". Looking for it..
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Any luck finding it?
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The term, "the Valentine's Day massacre" keeps going through my head. I pray to God I am wrong!
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Water doesn't massacre people.
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This sounds like that Evan Almighty film. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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This 1 minute clip shows the damage to the 2nd emergency spillway. Very close to lip.
Had a dream long ago which showed me the future and it was not pretty. Been watching closely ever since.
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This 1 minute clip shows the damage to the 2nd emergency spillway. Very close to lip.
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Nice vid! @ 0:56 if you pause it, there is a pretty good shot of how close the main spillway has eroded to that electrical line. Looks even closer now than the one in the comparison pics another poster put together yesterday. Glad they showed close ups of the emergency spillway, too.
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Ugg it won't let me post. I have some very interesting information
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hmmm spell it out and don't put the .com? Curious now
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Anyone know what image sites are allowed???
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Ugg it won't let me post. I have some very interesting information
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hmmm spell it out and don't put the .com? Curious now
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Anyone know what image sites are allowed???
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I use this one:
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