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Jesus admits he is not Messiah in Mathew Gospel

 
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" Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many."
Come in my name that mean they are Christians. And will say that Jesus is Messiah (it was spoken by Jesus so I = Jesus)
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No OP.. Jesus is telling us that there are people who will claim they are the Messiah.


Here's a YouTube of Obama mocking the bible and claiming to be the Messiah. Obama also claims to be a Christian, yet wears a wedding band that says "There is no god but Allah"... NO Christian believes this Muslim first pillar rule. No Christian believes in Muslim beliefs....





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" Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many."
Come in my name that mean they are Christians. And will say that Jesus is Messiah (it was spoken by Jesus so I = Jesus)
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So you freely admit that you deny Jesus Christ?

So now we know who you worship.

I shall pray for your soul.
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3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

See what happens when you don't cut out certain bits?
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13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16 kjv
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I wouldn't look in the Bible to prove or disprove what it says. It'circular logic.
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Matthew also says Jesus violated the temple.. he and his 12 passed out the shewbread not telling the receivers they can get sick from the yeast.. told his people king david was a thief.. told them they didn't have to wash their hands.. could drink poison.. none of them would die until he brought a new heaven.. He was born from a virgin but hated his mother and turned her away when she came with his brothers to protect him from himself stating he was mentally ill. She wasn't even allowed to take his body. He also told them not to tell anyone about the miracles he dif..

But.. no one is going to look into that either.
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I wouldn't look in the Bible to prove or disprove what it says. It'circular logic.
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you could review the scolarship, science, archeology and history to prove the Bible...

free will: don't look, don't find
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JESUS CLAIMS TO BE THE MESSIAH

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
JOHN 4:25-26
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False prophet John hagee denies Jesus

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3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.




See what happens when you don't cut out certain bits?
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Now if it were not for lies and subterfuge, liberals and Christ deniers would have nothing.
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Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, that is why he was crucified, we have confirmation of this from outside the bible, just about all critical NT scholars would agree that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah.

Even Bart Ehrman (one of the top NT scholars) who is Atheist agrees that Jesus claimed to be the messiah...

The only real debate is about Jesus claiming to be God.

Different authors will make different claims about the divinity of Jesus and when it started, they would make different claims about who Jesus said he was, but they all agree on a few things (very few)...

They all agree that Jesus was the son of God and they all agree that he is the Messiah.

That being said, the type of Messiah they expected was very different than what they got...

We also have to remember that we have no idea who wrote any of the gospels, but the consensus among critical scholars is that none of the gospel authors ever met Jesus in their life.

Not even Paul met Jesus while he was alive.
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I wouldn't look in the Bible to prove or disprove what it says. It'circular logic.
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you could review the scolarship, science, archeology and history to prove the Bible...

free will: don't look, don't find
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Many will plead ignorance as they are tossed in the Lake of Fire on judgment day and actually believe this is a viable defense.
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" Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many."
Come in my name that mean they are Christians. And will say that Jesus is Messiah (it was spoken by Jesus so I = Jesus)
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Retard
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Christ means messiah
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I wouldn't look in the Bible to prove or disprove what it says. It'circular logic.
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you could review the scolarship, science, archeology and history to prove the Bible...

free will: don't look, don't find
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If you do that then you are only left with the words of Paul.

We can't even say who wrote anything else, but the evidence points to authors that never actually met Jesus, and who got their information from other people.
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I wouldn't look in the Bible to prove or disprove what it says. It'circular logic.
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you could review the scolarship, science, archeology and history to prove the Bible...

free will: don't look, don't find
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If you do that then you are only left with the words of Paul.

We can't even say who wrote anything else, but the evidence points to authors that never actually met Jesus, and who got their information from other people.
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Paul/Saul met Jesus on the way to Damascus and verified by Peter and the rest of the disciples.
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I wouldn't look in the Bible to prove or disprove what it says. It'circular logic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70095735


you could review the scolarship, science, archeology and history to prove the Bible...

free will: don't look, don't find
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73846655


If you do that then you are only left with the words of Paul.

We can't even say who wrote anything else, but the evidence points to authors that never actually met Jesus, and who got their information from other people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74537662


Paul/Saul met Jesus on the way to Damascus and verified by Peter and the rest of the disciples.
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Yes that is the claim, but not exactly as you stated, it was not verified by Peter or the disciples as Peter and the disciples never wrote anything that is in the NT.

Paul's vision is problematic for many reasons (contradictions that make it hard to know what he really saw) but Paul is as authentic as it gets in the NT.

I can see many reasons why people might believe Paul.

If you read my last posts carefully, you will see that i said that none of the authors of the NT met Jesus while he was alive...
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Matthew also says Jesus violated the temple.. he and his 12 passed out the shewbread not telling the receivers they can get sick from the yeast.. told his people king david was a thief.. told them they didn't have to wash their hands.. could drink poison.. none of them would die until he brought a new heaven.. He was born from a virgin but hated his mother and turned her away when she came with his brothers to protect him from himself stating he was mentally ill. She wasn't even allowed to take his body. He also told them not to tell anyone about the miracles he dif..

But.. no one is going to look into that either.
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Wow...... What blasphemy. I can tell that the Holy Sourit has not revealed the meaning of the scriptures to you. Repent, be baptized and pray the you may recurve the interpreter ....... The Holy Ghost.
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Matthew also says Jesus violated the temple.. he and his 12 passed out the shewbread not telling the receivers they can get sick from the yeast.. told his people king david was a thief.. told them they didn't have to wash their hands.. could drink poison.. none of them would die until he brought a new heaven.. He was born from a virgin but hated his mother and turned her away when she came with his brothers to protect him from himself stating he was mentally ill. She wasn't even allowed to take his body. He also told them not to tell anyone about the miracles he dif..

But.. no one is going to look into that either.
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Wow...... What blasphemy. I can tell that the Holy Sourit has not revealed the meaning of the scriptures to you. Repent, be baptized and pray the you may recurve the interpreter ....... The Holy Ghost.
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you could review the scolarship, science, archeology and history to prove the Bible...

free will: don't look, don't find
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73846655


If you do that then you are only left with the words of Paul.

We can't even say who wrote anything else, but the evidence points to authors that never actually met Jesus, and who got their information from other people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74537662


Paul/Saul met Jesus on the way to Damascus and verified by Peter and the rest of the disciples.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71480530


Yes that is the claim, but not exactly as you stated, it was not verified by Peter or the disciples as Peter and the disciples never wrote anything that is in the NT.

Paul's vision is problematic for many reasons (contradictions that make it hard to know what he really saw) but Paul is as authentic as it gets in the NT.

I can see many reasons why people might believe Paul.

If you read my last posts carefully, you will see that i said that none of the authors of the NT met Jesus while he was alive...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74537662


Read carefully and still cant find "while he was alive".

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction (2 Peter 3:15-16).
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What the hell happened to your soul?.

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If you read my last posts carefully, you will see that i said that none of the authors of the NT met Jesus while he was alive...
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But Jesus is alive. Like right now alive.
You're the only one who gets to choose your vision... is the glass half empty or half full?

Ps.55:22 Give your burdens to the LORD, and he will take care of you. He will not permit the godly to slip and fall.
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Why do so many want to try to disprove Jesus?

Why is He so bad to you?
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Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, that is why he was crucified, we have confirmation of this from outside the bible, just about all critical NT scholars would agree that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah.

Even Bart Ehrman (one of the top NT scholars) who is Atheist agrees that Jesus claimed to be the messiah...

The only real debate is about Jesus claiming to be God.

Different authors will make different claims about the divinity of Jesus and when it started, they would make different claims about who Jesus said he was, but they all agree on a few things (very few)...

They all agree that Jesus was the son of God and they all agree that he is the Messiah.

That being said, the type of Messiah they expected was very different than what they got...

We also have to remember that we have no idea who wrote any of the gospels, but the consensus among critical scholars is that none of the gospel authors ever met Jesus in their life.

Not even Paul met Jesus while he was alive.
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...


If you do that then you are only left with the words of Paul.

We can't even say who wrote anything else, but the evidence points to authors that never actually met Jesus, and who got their information from other people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74537662


Paul/Saul met Jesus on the way to Damascus and verified by Peter and the rest of the disciples.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71480530


Yes that is the claim, but not exactly as you stated, it was not verified by Peter or the disciples as Peter and the disciples never wrote anything that is in the NT.

Paul's vision is problematic for many reasons (contradictions that make it hard to know what he really saw) but Paul is as authentic as it gets in the NT.

I can see many reasons why people might believe Paul.

If you read my last posts carefully, you will see that i said that none of the authors of the NT met Jesus while he was alive...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74537662


Read carefully and still cant find "while he was alive".

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction (2 Peter 3:15-16).
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The cloned red herring is the messiah




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The Son of God is how God has decided to show himself to us on our terms so that we could have a chance of understanding Him.

What did a burning bush or a pillar of fire show them?

What would it show you?
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The Son of God is how God has decided to show Himself to us on our terms so that we could have a chance of understanding Him.

What did a burning bush or a pillar of fire show them?

What would it show you?

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Children, this is a fine example of how to not do exegesis.





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