Does Jesus want me to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Yes or no?

It's referring to a specific person; Hagar, Sarah's servant, who Sarah had Abraham get pregnant because she doubted Yah's Word. It has NOTHING to do with submission.

Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and Sarah gave birth to Isaac.

And it was Abraham that submitted to Sarah. Not the other way around. Methinks you don't really know what submission is all about.

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Yes, Op. There are basically 5 divisions of Torah, clear instructions. Currently cannot keep land, temple (building) and priesthood commands. A little oover 200 can be kept. Dietary, and conduct. Strive to do the10 and you'll do all possible.

Peace.

Just because YOU say so?

2 billion + would disagree with you.

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?

If you do not determinedly set out to "follow" Thou shall not steal, are you going to otherwise steal?

DO you believe in God?

Since I said that to you so many times, you say it all the time now...

That could be seriously debated, as Islam also believes in most of the Old Testament figures, especially Abraham and Moses. And God is OUR Father.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

A though for you to consider - and one that just recently crossed my mind.

First...read this about "filioque" - a phrase added to the Nicence Creed in the late 6th century.

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It's pretty much THE big kickstart to the "Jesus is God" doctrine.

It's fairly well known that to Muslims, THE MOST despised part of Christianity is the "trinity", which has no Biblical reference except a few verses that were changed by the trinitarian scribes.

It's more than ironic that Mohammed had his supposed visit from Gabriel just less than 100 years later.

That being said, I believe that it IS possible that Islam was started by Father God to keep the "Jesus IS God Himself" folks in check.

It's also ironic that there are modern day Christians - especially trinitarians - who would just as well kill all non-believers AND non-trinitarians - not much different than the views of radical Islamists.

Does Jesus want me to NOT follow the laws of the Old Testament? Yes or no?



Seriously?

Does Jesus want me to murder my neighbor?



WWJD

Do men seek to know and thank Almighty God

or to attempt to justify themselves to themselves in their Spirit of Defiance before Him?

This question is answered in Acts 15:

But some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and told to obey the Law of Moses.” The apostles and the elders met together to consider this question.
(Acts 15:5-6)


and they sent the following letter by them: “We, the apostles and the elders, your brothers, send greetings to all our brothers of Gentile birth who live in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia.
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We have heard that some who went from our group have troubled and upset you by what they said; they had not, however, received any instruction from us.
(Acts 15:23-24)


The law of Moses makes it clear that the old laws are for the children of Israel, the Israelites. That did not change.


On the other hand Jesus gave us new commandments, And Jesus said that His new covenant is for all peoples everywhere.



And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. If you have love for one another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples.”
(John 13:34-35)


What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us.
(1 John 3:23)


Jesus drew near and said to them, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And I will be with you always, to the end of the age.”
(Matthew 28:18-20)

If its true than many were called yet only few were chosen, that means the odds are on my side.

Most of you only parrot the judeochristianity shit you have been brainwashed with and have no idea of what it really means, and what it doesnt mean.

Ill take my chances.

You can play at judeochristianity all you like without a concern if you wish.

Then as now there are those that hate all but themselves and wish to make themselves gods over mens lives so that they may enslave and abuse them in accordance with levitical law described in 25, 44-46.

These are those who are the war makers, the truth fakers and life takers.
They can only promise war against you all.

Jesus doesn't exist.

The imaginary god in your brain doesn't care what you do.

But if you want to stone homosexuals, go ahead.

Jesus SAID that He was SENT 47 different times.

To be "SENT" requires AUTHORITY. The AUTHORITY of the Father.

John 17 shows us that Jesus was WITH the Father in the beginning.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Genesis 1:26 verse of "Let Us make man in OUR image".

In John 5 Jesus makes this statement.

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So how did Jesus LEARN to do anything?

By WATCHING the Father.

John 5:19-20 (KJV)

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can* do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever* he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Father God was NEVER "born", yet Jesus makes this statement.

John 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

Then...

Colossians 1:15-18

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So therefore, God, the Father, created Jesus.

And being both a "created entity", AND having been SENT to earth BY the Father, is "how" Jesus died.

This verse in Revelation clearly shows Jesus as both "firstborn of creation" AND "firstborn of the dead".

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

God Himself didn't die for us. God CANNOT die.

Jesus earthly body did - He did this at the Father's commandment.

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What code do you live by, bro?


What principles?

Where did they come from?

Talmud didn't exist at the time of Jesus.

It was merely called the "Oral Torah" / Oral Law - supposedly given to the 70 elders at Mt Sinai.

, the kingdom of God is inside each and everyone of you.

That's where you are utterly wrong.

Jesus wasn't Greek nor English.

He was from Judah - a Hebrew.

Jesus was SENT by Father God - God in the Old Testament.

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

WHY do you suppose the Old Testament is with the New Testament in the Bible?

The OT WAS scripture at the time of Jesus' ministry.

From Chuck Missler.

The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed.

The Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed.

It can also be stated as such...

The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed.

The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.

...meaning...

The forcoming of the New Testament IS concealed in the OT.

And what was prophecied about in the Old Testament IS revealed in the NT.

Jesus is not the Father Himself, nor is He equal to the Father. He went out of His way to declare the Father being "Supreme".

Jesus said He was SENT. Being "sent" requires someone having authority.

I have several posts in this topic. It goes far beyond just John 17.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

Urantia is BULLSHIITE

There's a reason why various old manuscripts of the various Old Testament and New Testament books have lasted 1900+ years.

Divine intervention.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.




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"The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed.

The Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed."

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The forcoming of the New Testament IS concealed in the OT.

And what was prophecied about in the Old Testament IS revealed in the NT.



The New Testament conceals nothing.

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"The New Testament is concealed in the Old Testament.

The Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament."

Now is God a religious righteous being or one with a sense of humour who wants his children to be happy? I'll let ye's all figure it out on your own. Now I have told ye's the truth my burden has been lifted and I can go back to doing what I like best... Listening to music...it's like the Lord is speaking to my soul

Matthew 22:37-40 KJV

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The law of the Old Testament hangs on love God and loves others. In other words, these two compress all of the law of God.

If OT law were done away with, the "all of the law" wouldn't hang on the two main principles/commandments.

So what laws fall under love God and love others?

Jesus gave us simple information so that we would know which laws were done away with (ceremonial, sacrifices, etc.) and which still apply to us.

Ten Commandments - 1 thru 4 = Love God, 5 thru 10 = Love Others

Dietary - Love God, because your body is not yours, it's God's.

Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And this is the truth that churches don't want you to know. The point of organised religion is not about helping you find God. It's about controlling you for self-serving agendas masquerading as spiritual guidance. It's actually all about keeping you away from God inside's influence because if everyone would listen to God's Spirit inside rather than some preacher then the church and all religious books and doctrines and man-made crap would lose its power and so will those so-called "spiritual leaders".

It is all about a personal relationship with God. God is personal. He acts with everyone he inhabits on a personal level. Just note that not everyone at this time has the Spirit and that's why so much evil is blooming. The Spirit protects against invasion and possession and was given to humanity en-masse for that purpose after Christ ascended and returned to the Father. But now is the time of judgment and sorting and the worthy and unworthy have been separated. The final cleansing will come soon via a magnetic polar reversal where the earth will stand still and all things not of God will be destroyed, physical and non-physical. This time now is that crescendo of evil's rule, the last times, as spoken of in Revelations before the Father takes final possession of this world for eternity. Earth's destiny is to be divine and eternal.

On the more personal level again...the Father is the only one in Creation who can know you on the most intimate level. The only one who can know your every thought, need and desire. You've heard the saying that God knows what you want and need before you do? That's because his Spirit is literally with you, within you. You are literally carrying God, and so everything He is, and by extension the Kingdom, with you. You need not seek it anywhere or from anyone. You already have what you seek. That is the simple core message Jesus tried to get across and that is what was subverted. In a sense, you are God, in whatever form you have.

Now, just so that is not misunderstood again. The expression "Made in God's image" refers to that spiritual presence within you, not the meatbag called a body with all its tiresome needs you ploddingly drag around every day. God's image is your soul, your spirit of Light. God is pure spiritual Light with no shape or form but he is most definitely a personal being. The first and ultimate personal being. Pure perfect Love.

God doesn't judge. He doesn't condemn or punish. For that there are others in the universe who fulfill that role which can be called "God's Divine Justice" and that functions much like our own justice systems, only far more fair, impartial and perfect.

And know, for your own sake, that there is no hell!! No eternal punishments. You get as much mercy as you could possibly need. So then, be at peace, don't worry, and listen for the divine Voice inside because that's all the guidance you'll ever need.

Follow the laws of Twitter only!!!!!

If you are not Jewish, then you are a Gentile and you would follow the 7 Noahide laws.

The question you are asking is does Jesus want you to be Jevvish or christian.