Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

Yes, you have been for 100 pages.

lol. You think that was me attacking you? Are you a baby? I never attacked anyone. I am a friendly person. You need to relax and treat people with respect. This thread is about Christ, and He respected everyone He was talking 2. If you say that He is in you, be like Him.

You are boring. You only started talking few pages ago. I really didn't know that you are a guy. I really didn't know. I just want to have a nice conversation with you, without you posting walls of text and ignoring questions. Have a good night photine dude, hopefully one day we are going to be able to have a good and friendly conversation

You are not leading anyone to God. You treat everyone in this thread with disrespect. You are selfish and Christ was not like that.

You keep acting like you're the OP.. Narcissism.

Who cares who OP is? This thread is not about you, it's about Christ. So it's His thread.

Narcissism.

Wisdom of Solomon 7:28
For God loveth none but him that dwelleth with Wisdom.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling place with him.

Getting back to this, regardless of what I think, there remains significant controversy over whether an eternal being can actually die. The question "did Jesus' humanity affect his deity?" is still hotly debated amongst scholars, but there are only two main schools of thought here. I think there ought to be more ways of discussing and understanding the incarnation.

How we view the incarnation determines how we view the crucifixion and resurrection. It also determines how we view the different modes of being within the Godhead.

So, again, if both John the Baptist and Jesus were "filled with the Holy Spirit" according to the Gospel of Luke, what is the major difference in the way John and Jesus are filled with the Holy Spirit according to the words of John the Baptist in the Gospel of John?

"The One who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. The One who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what He has seen and heard, yet no one accepts His testimony. Whoever accepts His testimony has certified that God is truthful. For the One whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in His hands. (John 31-35)"

Here's are my main wonderings: Was Jesus human to any degree? Or was He only 'human' in form and appearance? Was Mary actually His mother? Or was she more like a surrogate? I have some scripture and thoughts on these questions. I'll be back with those later. My theological research is starting to interfere with my legal research. There aren't enough hours in the day.

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Daniel 3:25
He answered and said, See, I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Revelation 11:4-6
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 2:11
11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

SURE He did - not that He didn't have a valid reason for castigating them.


Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye,
being evil, speak good things? for out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth
speaketh.


Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of
God, and cast out all them that sold and
bought in the temple, and overthrew the
tables of the moneychangers, and the
seats of them that sold doves,

John was indwelled with Christ from birth, whereas Jesus.... is indwelled with the Father, eternally.



2 Cor 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Jesus is eternal.

Luke 9:60
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

And this isn't just something He says as part of a sermon. He says it in response to being told His mother is looking for Him:

Matthew 12:46-47
While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."

He seems to dismiss Mary's significance here as well:

Luke 11:27-28
As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Gal 4:19
My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

Luke 11:27-28
As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Daniel 3:25
He answered and said, See, I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Isaiah 33:14
Sinners in Zion are terrified; Trembling has seized the godless. "Who among us can live with the consuming fire? Who among us can live with continual burning?"

lol, only started reading the buy bull twpo years ago?!
a fucking child, in thefaith, trying to tell the mature spirit filled hristian, what is, and what isn't?
go take a bag of FUCK YOU dickhead

Makes sense to me. But we still need more support for our premise that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (which is why I want to hammer out a solid argument on the incarnation). And we also need more premises on the time/space bending capabilities of the Holy Spirit to explain Him being in multiple places at the same time.

Still, your explanation of indwelling helps in understanding the apparent absurdity that results from reading Luke 4:1 under the view that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Reading through Luke, it's obvious he isn't usually referring to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit when he uses the phrase "filled with the Holy Spirit." John the Baptist was unique and set apart by God, this is why he had the indwelling of the Spirit, and why the significance of it was announced by the angel of the Lord. It wouldn't have been noteworthy if everyone Luke describes as being 'filled with the Spirit' had the indwelling of Spirit the way John did.

Also, we know the indwelling of the Spirit wasn't available until after the ascension of Jesus. Again, making the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in John the Baptist extraordinary. This means the phrase "filled with the Spirit" has two different meanings in the book of Luke. One refers to the indwelling (which signifies a permanent fusion of essences). The other refers to receiving divine guidance or inspiration from God.

This means that when Jesus is described as being 'full of' or 'led by' or 'in the power of' the Spirit in Luke 4, it could just be telling us He was under the inspiration and guidance of the Father as He underwent temptation and suffering before beginning His ministry.

I would really love to move past Luke 4:1.

That’s why I found a counterexample for you.