I'd be quitting today if I was a cop.

No apparent obstruction to the arteries, and even if one was obstructed it would still not stop blood flow to the brain. No obstruction to the throat. He wasn't suffocating him. It was not a choke hold, it was not a neck restraint as they involve wrapping the arm around the neck. It was a pin aimed at his upper back but flowing over to his neck, which is in the rule book for passive resistance, the lowest level of resistance. Also the allegations of a second knee to Floyd's back were a fucking lie by the prosecution: he did not have the other leg to Floyd's back, it was aimed at pinning his arm and came across slightly on the back. It was not compressing his lungs.

But even IF all these arguments were valid, you still have studies that show positional asphyxiation to a non-obese, non-asthmatic is largely a myth and people could sustain weights far in excess of that which could have been applied by Chauvin on their backs.

He took a near fatal amount of fentanyl (more than the amount found in the average fatal overdose). What role this played in his death is unknown. But even if it wasn't fatal, it probably effected him on some level and it is said that fentanyl causes breathing issues so even if he didn't fatally suffocate him it could still explain the "I can't breathe" shit. Whilst fentanyl overdose makes people lose their "hunger to breathe" (they're not likely to complain about it) I always take these descriptions with a grain of salt. I am not an expert who has experienced the range of cases to know whether or not there is any variability, any exception to the rule. Usually they're not black and white, there is some hunger/some suppression of the hunger, some shades of grey.

More likely though he was making up the breathing thing because he adapted what he said from "I can't choke" while in the back of the car complaining he is claustrophobic.

The more likely cause of death is heart attack brought on by his resistance to arrest that necessitated restraint, his heart disease, and his meth use (yes, small amount, but it all contributes). There is actual evidence leading to that conclusion courtesy of the unbiased chief medical examiner who concluded he died of a heart attack based on the available evidence. There is none leading to the conclusion he suffocated at the hands of Chauvin besides Floyd saying "I can't breathe" as has saying before he was pinned to the ground. No reasonable doubt? You've got to be kidding me. That jury are a bunch of fucking souless insects. And the prosecutions witnesses told half-truths to get him convicted.

He propably died of the overdose but the way he was handeled is shameful. You don't hold someone on the ground with your knee on his neck like that.

Even a massage of the carotid arteries can result in a stroke.

Even if what you were saying were true, they would still be responsible for second degree homicide due to the duration and abuse of force; Again, there was no valid reason to restrain him for over 8 minutes and 2 minutes after he was unconscious.

If you were a cop and someone went unconscious after being restrained already for 6 minutes wouldn't you STOP? Why didn't he just cuff him or have one of the other cops further restrain him.

At the very least this is gross negligence w/ malice to cause bodily injury, enough to justify Murder 2. I think it was more then that though.

Retired white working man here,lots of true stories to tell,about cops.Good verdict.

So would I. I can't imagine why anyone would want to be a cop under these conditions - these constant attacks and harassment and lawsuits over legit arrests and holds. Chauvin did NOT kill Floyd, he died from an OD. Anyone who watched anything of the trial KNOWS this.

This was a massive miscarriage of justice and sends a bad message to criminals all around the country. It's a warning to cops NOT to interfer with criminals, especially black criminals. I expect all the cities to burn. We have a cousin who's a cop in NY and I can't wait to hear what he will say....although I know. He's fit to be tied for some time now.

As for hubby and I, we had a BLM march through our remote suburb last summer which shocked us as we literally have almost no blacks out here. It's not an issue. I guess they just wanted to make a statement that we're not safe out here either. We are taking gun safety courses and hope to buy guns for each of us soon. Laws in Mass are very restrictive. Personally I'd prefer a shotgun but not sure I could handle it.

Let me elaborate when you choose to serve the American people thats what you do. Your suppose to be trained to take down a violent criminal quickly, if you can't handle the pressure your not cut out to be a cop.

I think it would be a lot of fun with a shotgun. And I have a natural vicious streak so I'd probably enjoy using it. We're planning a trip to a gun range to try various out various firearms. My husband would prefer a pistol but I like something that would blast a significant hole and leave a real calling card.

As for Massachusetts, it sucks the big one but we've been stuck here because of elderly relatives. We're looking to move but everything is so unstable and we can't ALL fit into Florida and Texas! We might consider New Hampshire. But definitely - Massachusetts is truly one of the world's armpits.

You cant even restrain a junky resisting arrest cause they might die of 3x lethal dose of fentanyl and meth and its your fault.

Nope. You are full of shit.

What I see here, and in Brazil too, are people who certainly never got into a fight in life wanting to tell the police how they should do their job.

They are the people who live in a bubble and want a magic solution to their problems, an abracadabra. They think dealing with criminals is easy.

As for those who are celebrating the outcome of the trial because Derek Chauvin is a police officer and police should be screwed, don't think that this decision will only affect the police, you are also screwed.

For whites it's St. Chauvin.

For blacks it's St. Floyd.

Pray for us!

You cant even restrain a junky resisting arrest cause they might die of 3x lethal dose of fentanyl and meth and its your fault.

Yup every one of those jurors would have known with absolute certainty that if they had voted for acquittal then they and their families would have become targets for the mob, egged on by the media and politicians.

The left is utterly remorseless in pursuing their advantage to crush humiliate destroy any and all opposition to them. This is all about 'taking power away from those that have it' - get all the cops to quit, replace them with feral black street armies.

Personally I think it should be part of a cops job description to take out career shitbags like Floyyd - but that's just me.

"All I did was apply a death kneel to his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, while he pleaded that he couldn't breath, and then for another 2 minutes and 53 seconds after he was unconcious I just kept kneeling on his neck, because you know I was 'restraining' him."

Lots of people become cops because they think it means they have unbridled power and are above the law. They become cops to become the biggest bully on the block.

There's a lot of good cops who arn't like that but there's enough of the other kind to really make people distrust the police force.

He propably died of the overdose but the way he was handeled is shameful. You don't hold someone on the ground with your knee on his neck like that.

Oh ya cops will be racist because they quit showing up to black areas. Lol. We ant gots no cops downd here theys racist.

Oh ya cops will be racist because they quit showing up to black areas. Lol. We ant gots no cops downd here theys racist.