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If my "straw poll" is an indication of what the jury will decide, both mama and papa Drown are completely screwed.

The tape of the daughter being whipped is posted on line-but only for those with a strong stomach and even then not if you need to get op to go to work early. I hope that all of the lewis family and Robyn's friends listen to it very carefully. There is lots there to hear besides the strike of the whip on a child's bare back and the screaming.

The mama sitting in court today cried in court but not on the tape of her daughter being whipped it tape is edited the actual beating was at least two minutes long. The brood bitch who you can hear clearly on the tape, did not cry or try to stop her daughter, who can not weigh more than 60 pounds.

I can not imagine how anyone that it not dead inside could have allowed that to be done to her child and with the other children watching and being quizzed on "Torah" all during the whipping. If the jury can not see through the courtroom show and know that Robyn Drown was Graydon Drown's helpmate, protector and partener in the abuse of their children.

The defense is making their cases now, with any luck the jury will not be able to get the sound of the whip and the begging and screaming little girls out of their heads before they start deliberation.

I hope both parents get just what they deserve, but alas there are laws to protect them from that fate.

posting this here as it is quite insightful so the Robyn Drown fan club will almost certainly flag it...

On TOPIX Who Cares wrote:

"I know Graydon personally, he is crazy no one that knows him would deny that, I also know that Robyn was ABUSED by him. If you STUDY cases with battered women, they don't always run from their spouse.... Its a feeling called entrapment. Anyone who knows any psychology knows how this happens. Shut your mouths if you aren't involved. Find something else to get off on. Honestly.... This woman LOVES her kids, under the circumstances she felt like she had no alternative. If she had a chance she would do things differently. But all you hateful people can say what you like, you will do it anyway. The facts remain, and I will leave it to that."

response from and now the truth:

First off I am not hateful. You do not know me or my relationship to this family so do not judge me. Just like you, I base what I say on what I know about Robyn Drown and I once considered her my friend.

Secondly, I know plenty about spousal abuse and unlike you I did not learn what I know from reading pop psychology articles in magazines.

Before the (100+) "offending" post were removed from the TOPIX site it was clear that many of the negative posts were from people that know Robyn and Graydon. Isn't is somewhat short sided to generalize that anyone who is not willing to be a character witness is being hateful? Is it possible that we might actually know a few things about the situation too? Maybe even know more than you do?

I suspect that what she told you, at the food bank, was completely different that what she was telling us in the Jewish communities. What was she supposed to say? Living in poverty and getting pregnant 2-3 times when she already had 6-7 kids she could not feed? In this situation I would be embarrassed to say I was expecting again and I am not nearly as proud or smug as Robyn! She told us that everyone of the children was WANTED and that they where all a "blessing from Hashem" to BOTH parents.

I agree Graydon Drown is nuts and that Robyn most likely was abused to some degree but that is where I STOP. There are NO CIRCUMSTANCES that can excuse the YEARS of abuse the children endured. No one NORMAL could have allowed it.

And love has nothing to do with what Robyn is charged with because Graydon also loves his kids.

So, you can see why I would conclude that when you said in your post that "the facts remain, and I will leave it to that". You were confusing your opinions with the actual facts. There was not one actual fact in your post.

Also what circumstances exactly are you claiming did she not have a choice in?

Here are some choices Robyn Drwon knew she had you might want to consider:

1. She could have gone to planned parenthood for Depo Provera to prevent pregnancy. Graydon would NEVER have known. She had access to money, a car and (no matter what she claims now) her every move was NEVER being watched by Graydon. I think birth control is available in Alaska. Jews, even orthodox Jews, are allowed to use birth control and even to have abortions if the mother chooses.
ROBYN loved the constant ATTENTION she got from having such a large "obedient" brood. She loved the attention far too much to do prevent pregnancy. Also she bought into Graydon's whole delusion that god had put them together to have as many children as possible. She was the one who kept that family together and she was a willing participant in his religious delusions and the abuse.

2. She could have TOLD ANYONE in either of the Jewish communities that she was active in. She would have been helped NO QUESTIONS ASKED. It's not as if she was locked in the house. Here are some facts, Robyn had a driver's licence, a car and her name was the ONLY name on the family checking account. Yes,(another actual fact)Robin was completely in charge of ALL the family money. She had her own cell phone number. She was also free to go wherever see whomever and do whatever she please. Trust was NOT a problem, so do not even go there!

3. Robyn had MANY opportunities to ask for help. The process for women in the orthodox community who need help is WELL know to Robyn.

I can think of seven specific instances that I know of where she could have gotten away, here is just one: When Robyn was in the woman's section at 770 in Brooklyn, she could have turned to any woman there and said she needed to get away from her abusive husband. Her and the kids would have been taken away, hidden and (most importantly) economically provided for in one of Chabbad's MANY communities and NO ONE would have been able to find her.

This would have been an "act now ask questions later" situation. Graydon would have been held (by force if necessary) while Robyn and the children were moved from the building. She would have been move to safety, had both a divorce AND a Get ASAP and Graydon would never have know where she went, unless she told him herself. This would happen if a man hits his wife ONE time. It is forbidden, I do not think I can be more clear that this, Robyn knew it was forbidden and she would be helped if she asked.

4. And of course Robyn could have stayed away from Graydon after the first three kids were taken. Didn't she tell you that he did not contact her in those months after wards? Did she tell you that she contacted him and restarted the relationship? Did she tell you that she ABANDONED her first three children to go off with Graydon to Alaska? Well, if not, during your next visits, do remember to ask her and see if she can look you in the eye and admit it now.

Robyn has always had choices, we all do. She made the wrong ones and now is the time for her to be held accountable. It is good that people support her but please not say she had no choices as justification for you position.

So here we are, I do not expect to change your mind but there are things you might want to think about.

Some photos:

[link to www.statesmanjournal.com]

512945: What were you trying to link to on 12/17/08 @ 10:22 p.m.?

573118: Do you have a link to the audiotape you referenced on 12/17/08 @ 11:15 p.m.?

I has been removed. It was very disturbing.

if the person who was "identified" by mane on TOPIX by the blogger "who cares" is reading this, do consider contacting you local law inforcement.

As far as I am concerned, anyone in the Lewis family knowing or even suspecting our identities is worrisome. They are clearly DANGEROUS people and unless "who cares" is an idiot she knows that by naming you, or who ever it was that she actually did name, she has put you at risk.

If she is, as the author of the indymedia piece indicates, a licenced mental health professional there is serious doubt that she is cappable of being theraputic, by blogging she has certianly lost her ablilty to be impartial and objective.


re-posted from INDYMEDIA:

Patricia Warford, a psychologist from Newberg appeared for the defense as an "expert" witness in the Drwon child abuse case. It also appears that she had posted on several blogs involving the defendant, including TOPIX and the Statesman Journal. One of the posts made by this blogger on TOPIX read like a veiled threat.

She has been asked the question outright but has yet too respond.

In her Statesman Journal post by "panthercat" stated: "Well, I do have degree in psychology but more important is having gone through it first hand... my own healing & professional involvement & helping others; call it "armchair" but actually I do have expertise in this area. I have a book slated for publication in early 2009 also in this area."

If this poster actually is Ms Warford then there are some very serious questions about her professionalism, her status as an "expert" and the soundness of her mental health that need to be asked.

Was the claim about publishing a book made too add credibility to the poster's opinion? If, in fact Ms Warford actually has a book due to be publish,I hope the publisher will take a very close look at her actual qualifications as well as the soundness of her mental health before the book is published.

blogger "Panthercat" who per her own information is a" 49 year old female mental health professional with "expertise" in domestic abuse" has denied that she is the Pat Warford, the "expert witness" in the Drown case.

The blogger who suspected this appears to have been incorrect, we will follow up and see if any oregon authors release a book on the subject in early 2009

The jury took just four hours to deliberate 24 counts!

I wonder who Robyn's "friends and family" will be pointing at and blaming next?

Pair guilty on most charges
Deliberations in abuse trial lasted into Friday night

DBy Ruth Liao • Statesman Journal
December 20, 2008

Two parents accused of severely beating their children were found guilty on most of the charges they faced Friday night after a weeklong trial.


Jury deliberations began at 6 p.m. Friday and lasted four hours in the case against Robyn Drown, 42, and Graydon Drown, 49, who are accused of abusing and mistreating their children.

The jury returned guilty verdicts on a majority of the 25 counts Robyn and Graydon Drown each faced.

The Drowns were each charged with 25 counts of second-degree assault and first-degree criminal mistreatment. The allegations included beating the children with objects that ranged from a metal pipe, a switch, plastic piping, 2-by-4 boards and other household objects.

The jury was given the option to consider lesser charges for Robyn Drown, which the jury decided in two of the counts. The jury determined Robyn Drown was guilty of two counts of fourth-degree assault and not guilty on two first-degree criminal mistreatment charges.

For Graydon Drown, the jury returned guilty verdicts on all but four of the counts. Those four included two of the second-degree assault charges and two of the first-degree criminal mistreatment charges.

Sentencing for the Drowns is set for 4 p.m. Jan. 7.

Marion County Circuit Judge Thomas Hart presided over the trial, which began Monday.

The parents were represented separately — Robyn Drown by R. Brooke Holstedt, and Graydon Drown by Chapin Milbank and Stephen A. Lipton.

The couple's nine children — ranging in age from 6 months to 16 years old — were taken by child welfare authorities after the Drowns were arrested June 19. Seven of the children testified earlier in the trial as part of the prosecution's case.

The investigation began after two of the couple's teen sons confided in leaders involved in Temple Beth Sholom in South Salem, where the family regularly attended services and programs, and Chabad of Salem.

As part of Robyn Drown's defense, Holstedt said she was a battered woman who was psychologically terrorized by her husband and could not act outside of his control.

Lipton, Graydon Drown's attorney, said his client was a father who was a strict disciplinarian, but did not act beyond his means as a parent upholding reasonable corporal punishment.

What??? These kids really where in DANGER and "the thugs" did something RIGHT? And BTW no guns where even used during the RESCUE by DHS or the sherriff's Dept. All of you the government is just out to get parent who don't immunize or homeschooler and DHS is the devil folks can comment when ever you are ready!

Thank you for your concern. Cyberspace is mysterious. Clearly she thinks she has figured out who is making the posts due to the Canada reference (does she know someone in Canada? Mosty people do. It is a huge country with a population of about 40 million), but she is wrong about the name and location. She is grasping at straws. I agree they are dangerous people, but if she is looking for me under those parameters, she will be spending the rest of her lifetime looking.

To 573118
Could you please copy to here the posts you are refering to? I can't find them.
Thank you

sorry, I can't seem to do that here without triggering a virus message and having my computer shut down. I wonder if the Drown's have any friens that work in IT or softwars, becasue this is really weird and it is only happening on the Drown related sites. Good thing I am opsting here on nut job central!

The posts are in the "mom testifies about abuse..." article in the STATESMAN JOURNAL and the poster is "Pantercat", she has a bio and between that and her past posts you can build a pretty reasonable profile. I was not the person who first noticed but after looking at everything and the information on line about Pat Warford, I too feel both are the same person. I find it impossible to believe that two persons with such similar bios would both be involved in this case.

I agree with the verdict 100% and am done with this whole dirty mess. The sentencing hearing in 4pm 1/7/09. I am hoping that people who have been effected by this horror will be allowed to speak before the sentence is read as you can be sure the Lewis/Larson/Robynite/Gleaners and every other nut who still thinks Robyn Drown is innocent will be there asking for leaniency.

Last night I had the same thing happen and my whole system crashed. Couldn't even open my disc drive. Lucky for m I have good IT Support, and had it running again with no files lost. Never even had a pop-up before then. I believe they used to have a fellow live with them who was an IT person so it appears the Robynites and their hackers have been busy. They'll have to hack whth more than computers to get them out of this now.

A group of strangers heard the evidence and without any past history with or knowlege of Robyn Drown convicted her on most of the charges in just under 5 houre.

The charges spanned a 6 month period January to June of 2008. So the jury actually heard only a very small part of Robyn and Graydon's "story" and very little about the abuse they inflicted on their children over the most of their young lives, but they still learned enough to know that BOTH were guilty and convicted them both of nearly every charge.

Well, I do not do the happy dance over the misfortunes of other, even evil others. I am glad that justice has prevailed and that the children will be safe now. I read through all the blogs, no big suprise, the blaming is continuing. Apparently the jury did not "understand" that Robyn is not guilty. Since there was some evidence that Robyn was abused her supporters feel she proved that nothing that happened was her fault. Apparently she should have been allowed to walk out of jail, pick up her kids (Yes, we all know, she loves them SO MUCH!) and now that Graydon is going to prison Robyn will be the best mother since the Virgin Mary. Poor Robyn, she is so misunderstood.

I am waiting for the Robynites to start accusing the jury members of being "hateful, mean, clueless nutjobs". I wonder if they will accuse them of not knowing anything about the situation?

Does anyone know if in Oregon persons that have been harmed by the convicted criminals are allowed to make statements before the sentencing? I would like to be there to listen if people are allowed too speak their piece.

here is a cut and paste of the posts from the SJ site story:
Wife describes own abuse
Robyn Drown says her husband controlled her life

panthercat wrote:
I did not hear the full testimony but one of the things that rings true as to her abuse is the minimization. Most victims of abuse minimize (not exaggerate the abuse) especailly when they are first going public with it. It takes quite awhile, sometimes years before the Silence of Violence is fully broken.
12/19/2008 7:52:04 AM


KeniKodiak Replying to panthercat:
Here come the arm-chair psychologists. On thing that rings true is the sound of her voice chatting in the background while her tiny daughter is screaming and crying while being beaten with a fiberglass whip tipped with a knotted cord.

Panthercat,replying to KeniKodiak:
Well I do have degree in psychology but more important is having gone through it first hand & studied it extensively through my own healing & now professional involvement & helping others; call it "armchair" but actually I do have expertise in this area. I have a book slated for publication in early 2009 also in this area. Now what are your qualifications?


Fourofseven Replying to panthercat:
Pantercat are you Patricia Warford, the psychologist from Newberg who was the "expert" witness fro Robyn Drown in this case? If so, you really need to evaluate you level of professionalism as well as your mental health.

What does her NOW saying that she was abused have to do with what has happened and for how long it went on? She is guilty, getting slapped and shoved and called names does NOT absolve her. For over twenty years she KNOWINGLY allowed abuse, participated in abuse and ACTIVELY hid what was going on from others!

As far as which bible, anyone who takes one or two lines alone without all the OTHER information surrounding them is not "religiously conservative" they are sick and demented. Robyn is not stupid, she did not go along with this because she had to. She agreed with the 'dicipline' used and wanted to be the mother of all the messiah's children.


Fourofseven replying to PANTHERCAT:
Do you come back to read and consider other people's opinions or are you the kind of person who just posts to make pronouncments? I was hoping you would respond to my question about you actually identity.

Panthercat Replying to fourofseven:
I am not Patricia Warford. However, I am curious why your questions seem to have an underlying tone of attack versus asking a simple question. Just curious that's all.


Fourofseven replying to PANTHERCAT:
Um... you are ALSO a different 49 year old female MH proffessionl from Oregon TXing abuse victims and a defender of Robyn Drown? Well, OK then.

As far as any hostilityyou are reading into my post, you do not know anything about me or my involvment, so lets just say that I know Robyn is guilty of EVERYTHING she is accused of and more.

Robyn is a narcissistic sociopath. She does not love her kids, she loves her own persona- "mother" to a large OBEDIENT brood. Look at her testimony, it was ALL ABOUT HER. Poor me, my husband called me names. Did you notice that she NEVER ONCE mentioned her children until the DA asked about them directly? How can someone (meaning you)claiming to have mental health experience fail to notice this nugget?

ALL of YOU who think that children ought to be brought up this way don'r deserve to have children o your own. When I gazed down at my newborn son, I asked myself, "am I going to cont theabusive cycle or break it?"And I broke it. Myson's now 23, w/2 daughters of his own and I'm proud to say that they're upbringing is a direct RESULT of my breaking the cycle of abuse. PERIOD.

Patricia Warford. PsyD.
Faculty at George Fox University -

[link to www.georgefox.edu]

a christian university (I thought Robyn was "Jewish")
[link to www.georgefox.edu]

smithy 88 wrote on Topix...

"Because of this jury, now the community truly has protected and saved these children. Thank you jurors for making sure Robyn and Graydon will never hurt any of them again. And one more time, thank you Rabbi Perlstein, Les, Marion County Sheriff's Office, Department of Human Services, Sarah Morris, foster parents, Temple Beth Sholom, Salem Keizer Schools, Salem Hospital, and every other member of this community who took part in this or took the time to stop and care about these children even for a minute. Most of all, thank you to the Drown children who were strong enough to help this community to help you. You deserve it and I hope you have long and loving lives."

Bravo. Couldn't have said it better.

I hope they protect the children over in Gaza.

Way too go peanut brain! WTF is wrong with you? Do you troll the web looking for any opportunity, no matter how inappropriate, to share your ignorance? Ignorant people and ignorant snips like your's is what perpetuates all the violence in the world.

Perhaps the residents of Gaza (and the Arab nations) could stop allowing terrorists to use Gaze as a launching site for the missiles that have been landing in Israel almost daily for years? The US has KILLED over ½ million civilians Iraq, do you care? Do you actually even care about the people of GAZA or are you here to further your own political agenda?

Off topic.

Any idea where the Drowns will be serving their sentences?

They were moved to prison yesterday. You can check the state inmate rolls on line to find out where they are.
The female will most likely go to Coffee Creek (near Wilsonville) the male should be sent as far from here as possible. Pendleton is the closest medium security prison.

Both of them belong in the deepest, depths of hell, or if you prefer, the sea of fire.

The male is going to appeal! He thinks the sentence is too long. BOOHOO!

What about the application for divorce & kids? Know anything about that?

Both offenders are in Coffee Creek Correctional Facility in Wilsonville, Oregon.

[link to www.oregon.gov]

the story is to old to be covered in the media... these two felons appeared in court again this week...

As predicted by several posters who know the couple. they are still not divorced. No big new there, but parental "rights" are going to be terminated. Of course none of the "loving" family members or friends proclaiming the Drown's innocents are actually willing to take care of ANY of the nine children. Apparently their love only extends to complaining and finger pointing... they will leave the work of actually doing something to very same people they (and especially Heather Larson) spent months insulting and blaming.

It sounds like you have some hatred. How come? Do you have an agenda? Are you an agent for the state?

They were irresponsible enough to have 9 kids in the first place...

There's no reason for that.

Anyone who has more than 3 children is just selfish and does not deserve to have children at all.

Children deserve to have love , attention and affection.

With 9 kids you can't give them all that they deserve.

These kids probably are better off in the system, sadly enough.

Quote from Heather Larson, Robyn Drowns Sister on TOPIX:
" Thank you to the lawyers for Graydon Drown who worked so hard in his defense by trying to bring Robyn down to his level. Thank you all (the judge, the DA, DHS, the Jewish Community, the children’s lawer and Graydons lawyer) for accomplishing what Graydon Drown threatened for 22 years to do, that if Robyn ever left him he would rob her of her children. Yeah! You did it for him!!!!

And thank you to the jury for finding my sister guilty of heinous crimes that she was charged with, but the children's testimony clearly stated she did not participate in, or know of. How do you sleep at night?

There are so many things wronge and untrue in Heather Larson's point and blame feast on TOPIX that it is hard to know where to begin. But here is some actual truth to consider:

First off, Robyn Drown's own behavior and actions are the cause of her loosing her children. She chose to stay with her crazy delusional husband. She chose to pop out a baby every year and a half or so KNOWING that ALL her childern would suffer poverty, abuse and neglect. And maybe it has slipped Heather's mind, but Graydon did not take her first three children away, sweet innocent Robyn abandoned them to run off and hide out with Graydon in Alaska.

I am sure that Judge Hart, the jury, the jewish community are sleeping just fine with what they have done.

ALso, defense wittness were not allowed in the court room when the children testified. Heather Larson, was not there, but wrote that "the children's testimony clearly stated she did not participate in, or know of". How can this be true when everyone that was actually in the court room could HEAR Robyn chit chatting to one of the older boys on the recording of her daughter being whipped with a tent pole for over 2 minutes? Clearly she "knew of" at east that beating! The children's testomony did put Robyn in a favorable light. The older boys tried to back pedal to get Robyn out of being responsible but none of the kids deniend that she also beat them and other testimony shown that she certianly neglected their health, safety and educational needs. Her attorney tried to blame everything on Graydon but the jury knew bull shit when they heard it. Perhaps Ms Larson needs to read a transcript of the trial?

It takes more than sperm or eggs to be a mother or father. The Drown Children are safer and better off in the foster care systen than they ever were in the care of their parents.

Great post! These children in Oregon didn't have state register birth certificates or SSN and they were being home school. Something the evil Government doesn't like, they want you to conform and be a good slave.

Who needs a birth certificate?