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Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved

 
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"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


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OK.

What does that have to do with the Rapture?
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The reasoning is because the pretribbers say they go before the tribulation but the elect leave after the tribulation.

Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


Mat 24:31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 Quoting: Achduke7


You don't understand why we believe what we believe

but simply stubbornly repeatedly insist that we are wrong

and you are right.

We disagree.

You might be wrong.

We will see.

I'm good either way because I believe in nothing but Him.

and you cannot change that.
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"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


 Quoting: Achduke7


OK.

What does that have to do with the Rapture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79017797


It is about the timing Christ gathers his elect.
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The reasoning is because the pretribbers say they go before the tribulation but the elect leave after the tribulation.

Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


Mat 24:31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 Quoting: Achduke7


You don't understand why we believe what we believe

but simply stubbornly repeatedly insist that we are wrong

and you are right.

We disagree.

You might be wrong.

We will see.

I'm good either way because I believe in nothing but Him.

and you cannot change that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79017797


What do you believe then? I am waiting for some validation scripture from Pretribbers. You do believe the bible don't you?
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Yes, i do believe The Bible.
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The MATRIX is real.

The goal of human life is to escape the “SATANIC DARK MATRIX PRISON PLANET EARTH”.

Outside of the matrix is a real HEAVEN and a real HELL just as the ancient myths say.

In August 1993: I ascended to HEAVEN while walking to work! I was asked if I wanted to stay there or return to Earth. I chose to return.


Having been to HEAVEN itself there was no place else left to go except to HELL itself!

I went through 10 years of suffering (physical mental emotional and spiritual agony called “ASCENSION SYMPTOMS”) while breaking through in my mind into real HELL!


In late October 2003: After being awake studying at my computer for 5 whole days and 5 whole nights. I finally managed to my great relief to break through in my mind into HELL - and went to bed happy.

Managed to sleep for scarcely an hour before getting back up. To be confronted by THE HAT MAN (SHADOW PERSON / JINN) DEMON who telepathically attacked me with the INFINITE HORROR TERROR DREAD of real HELL itself - which I barely survived!


London. December 2003:
I met my ONE TRUE LOVE (Twin Flame).

I’d always remembered her from before my birth and had searched my entire life only for her.

We instantly remembered each other and our souls “merged” AS ONE - bringing GOD HIMSELF down into our room.

Our souls then “merged” AS ONE with GOD and we transported each other across in a tsunami tidal wave of ecstasy to GODS GOLDEN SPIRITUAL “home” REALM to live in HIS Timeless Infinite Love Bliss Peace Glory Happiness, Forever!
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The Christian had no power over Satan until Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to indwell the Christian at the Pentecost after His resurrection.

In order for Satan to rule all the world for 42 months the Holy Spirit must be removed.

Since the Holy Spirit cannot be removed from the Christian once he has been filled with the Spirit then the Spirit filled Christian must be removed for Satan to receive his promised reign on Earth.
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About that Christian removal...

The Bible does mention a whole lot of head-lopping and murder of Christians, with their bodies left to lie in the streets for 3.5 years (3.5 "days"). The last martyrs Jesus talks about.

Non-kosher and convert kosher Christians are the two witnesses. The non-believers rejoice as they are slain.

That's why el diablo and his gang are stunned when they are all raised right before Christ returns.


That aside, why preach a pre-trib rapture when it might not happen that way and, thus, lead some believers into hell?

It makes no sense.
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There is a pre-tribulation rapture..the "first-fruits", the man child, the 5 wise (virgins) , two grinding at the mill, both living/dead over-comers ......all prove it; these will enter the wedding feast of the lamb. The majority or "harvest" will have to go through the great tribulation.During the "last week", there is still the opportunity to enter the kingdom by being among those believers who are martyed for bearing his testimony in the great tribulation....

All believers have all been called but few will chosen to enter. The kingdom is reward for the bride of Christ.

Missing out is not loss of salvation. Jus loss of reward.

What happens to those believers who don’t enter......temporary cctv room for 1000 years..outer darkness./..

After 1000 years all believes as living stones will inherit/become the New Jerusalem.

Eph 2:20-22/ Rev 20,21,
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Heretical christians have justified:
1. Homosexual marriage
2. Feminism
3. Christian ladies working outside the home.
4. Female ordination to the priesthood/pastorate

None of thesethings have a Biblical basis whatsoever. If you believe what cannot be found in the Bible, you are a prideful goat, not a sheep.

That goes for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.
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The TRINITY gives you free will. You can choose to rebel, but how can you call yourself a Christian if you rebel agaist the Bible???

No one is saying you can't get a civil union, be a feminist, be a woman and ordained in somether faith, be a woman and work outside the home.

There just in not a single Bible verse allowing this, and as such, if you rebel, then how will you be greated by Jesus Christ?

"Gee I did what I wanted to and ignored your Scriptres,but I am a nice guy!"

Who cares? I never knew you.
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Yes, i do believe The Bible.
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Which scriptures do you think best apply to a pre-trib rapture? My beliefs are currently post-trib/pre-wrath.
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There is a pre-tribulation rapture..the "first-fruits", the man child, the 5 wise (virgins) , two grinding at the mill, both living/dead over-comers ......all prove it; these will enter the wedding feast of the lamb. The majority or "harvest" will have to go through the great tribulation.During the "last week", there is still the opportunity to enter the kingdom by being among those believers who are martyed for bearing his testimony in the great tribulation....

All believers have all been called but few will chosen to enter. The kingdom is reward for the bride of Christ.

Missing out is not loss of salvation. Jus loss of reward.

What happens to those believers who don’t enter......temporary cctv room for 1000 years..outer darkness./..

After 1000 years all believes as living stones will inherit/become the New Jerusalem.

Eph 2:20-22/ Rev 20,21,
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kruger

However I will stick with the Bible and reject the Dispensationalist gobbledegook.
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.
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There is a pre-tribulation rapture..the "first-fruits", the man child, the 5 wise (virgins) , two grinding at the mill, both living/dead over-comers ......all prove it; these will enter the wedding feast of the lamb. The majority or "harvest" will have to go through the great tribulation.During the "last week", there is still the opportunity to enter the kingdom by being among those believers who are martyed for bearing his testimony in the great tribulation....

All believers have all been called but few will chosen to enter. The kingdom is reward for the bride of Christ.

Missing out is not loss of salvation. Jus loss of reward.

What happens to those believers who don’t enter......temporary cctv room for 1000 years..outer darkness./..

After 1000 years all believes as living stones will inherit/become the New Jerusalem.

Eph 2:20-22/ Rev 20,21,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76863401


The firstfruits are in revelation and refers to the 144K. The man child in Rev 12 is Christ. The 5 wise virgins are married to Christ but that is after he comes. Who is taken first at the grinding at the mill? The dead in Christ are taken before the living in Christ. The tribulations saints that are martyred for Christ and God are definitely dead in Christ and will go before the living. I am waiting for scripture to show anything different.

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You still here?
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The next some heretic starts a defense of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture topic, do a reverseimage search of the images they use.

Notice where they come from. Nazi Germany.
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There is a pre-tribulation rapture..the "first-fruits", the man child, the 5 wise (virgins) , two grinding at the mill, bo

144,000 babies got there first. The first fruits of the New Covenant. Not-defied.


King James Bible
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

ng James Bible
Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
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There is a pre-tribulation rapture..the "first-fruits", the man child, the 5 wise (virgins) , two grinding at the mill, bo

144,000 babies got there first. The first fruits of the New Covenant. Not-defied.


King James Bible
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

ng James Bible
Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
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Yes, this is the grafting of Israel. Judah and Joseph will reunite. Read Romans, Hosea, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.
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The next some heretic starts a defense of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture topic, do a reverseimage search of the images they use.

Notice where they come from. Nazi Germany.
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Who is they?
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Why didn't Jesus get raptured?
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Why didn't Jesus get raptured?
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He would not say he was raptured but he was resurrected being the first fruits and caught up in the air and taken to heaven.
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The next some heretic starts a defense of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture topic, do a reverseimage search of the images they use.

Notice where they come from. Nazi Germany.
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Who is they?
 Quoting: Achduke7


If I say, I will immediately get banned. Ask yourself who creates the most Pre-Trib Rapture topics and there is your answer.

Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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The person who creates the most Pre-Trib Rapture topics openly admits they didn't church before the pandemic occurred.

You got to wonder if they even believe in Jesus Christ.
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The next some heretic starts a defense of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture topic, do a reverseimage search of the images they use.

Notice where they come from. Nazi Germany.
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Who is they?
 Quoting: Achduke7


If I say, I will immediately get banned. Ask yourself who creates the most Pre-Trib Rapture topics and there is your answer.

Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Is it someone who rhymes with "who does?" I mostly only reply in them. I do not normally start them.

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AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE, SO TO SHALL THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE??

WHO WERE TAKEN OFF THE EARTH IN THE DAYS OF NOAH???





WHEAT IN THE TARES:


WHO GETS BURNED UP IN THE FIRE??
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J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil. vs20: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word."

"The first time I saw Billy, he came walking out of a cloud." McMurtry
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Yes, i do believe The Bible.
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Which scriptures do you think best apply to a pre-trib rapture? My beliefs are currently post-trib/pre-wrath.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It doesn't matter.

You have not agreed every time previously.

You are absolutely certain that you know better.

So be it.

You also don't believe that a 1/3 faithful remnant of the Je-ws will believe in Jesus Christ.
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You also don't believe the Je-ws will rebuild their temple.

You also don't believe that Israel will first hail the Antichrist as their messiah.

We disagree completely.

You say I am wrong.

I don't care.

We will all see.
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Would you like, right this very moment, to be most astonished to find yourself suddenly seized away without warning,
and then to find yourself suddenly standing before Jesus Christ, and then to remain with Him forever thereafter?
Right now. Can you say Yes?




But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always
that you may be counted worthy to escape
all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalm 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth
.


Revelation 3:10


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ


1 Thessalonians 5:4-9


I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?


Romans 11:11-15


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:35,36
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How does God save the chosen remnant?

Rapture them. Lol.

Teach them. Two witness and 144,000

What makes you rapture ready?

I know what makes me execution ready? My faith. It’s a testimony to my faith in Jesus.

Same as the disciples and John.

They weren’t raptured.
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It doesn't matter if a new Temple is rebuilt as GOD abandoned those who are labeled antichrist as they rejected Jesus.
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Awk yourself who created that idea. Schofield when he created a Bible and who funded it? Antichrists.

There is nothing sacred about a Temple that rejects Jesus and wants to reinstitute animal sacrifices.





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