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Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved

 
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How does God save the chosen remnant?

Rapture them. Lol.

Teach them. Two witness and 144,000

What makes you rapture ready?

I know what makes me execution ready? My faith. It’s a testimony to my faith in Jesus.

Same as the disciples and John.

They weren’t raptured.
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You praise you.

So what?
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It doesn't matter if a new Temple is rebuilt as GOD abandoned those who are labeled antichrist as they rejected Jesus.
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It does matter. It's part of The Plot. It is Written.

They have to get it as wrong as they possibly can

at that precise time in the unveiling.
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Antichrist has to declare himself to be God in the Temple of God in Jerusalem.

I already expect you to be entirely unable to see or hear or understand anything I say.
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Awk yourself who created that idea. Schofield when he created a Bible and who funded it? Antichrists.

There is nothing sacred about a Temple that rejects Jesus and wants to reinstitute animal sacrifices.
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Who said anything about it being sacred?

No one.

You understand nothing.
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Would you like, right this very moment, to be most astonished to find yourself suddenly seized away without warning,
and then to find yourself suddenly standing before Jesus Christ, and then to remain with Him forever thereafter?
Right now. Can you say Yes?




But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always
that you may be counted worthy to escape
all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalm 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth
.


Revelation 3:10


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ


1 Thessalonians 5:4-9


I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?


Romans 11:11-15


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:35,36
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Those are all great scriptures but they point to God's wrath we escape.

Even Rev 3:10 does not say rapture. God protects his own. He always did in the past and will in the future.

The tribulation happens before God's wrath. The day of the Lord is his wrath spoken of that day. The tribulation is from the devil.

Rev 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."

The devil and the antichrist bring the tribulation. God's bring his wrath upon them and those that follow then.

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The tribulation happens before God's wrath.

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Thus sayeth you.

Some of us believe that the Tribulation is seven years,

and that a very specific portion of that time,

the last 3 1/2 years of that 7 years,

is that very specific 3 1/2 years Wrath of God.

WE DISAGREE.
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It is up to Jesus Christ. Not you. We will all see.

I accept His Judgment.

Do you?
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Heresy?!

I guess I deserve to die for believing in Jesus.

So be it.
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I die for him.

What more do you want me to say.?

I don’t have a religious doctrine lie to explain to you. Just the Bible.
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Yah. I’m a heretic like Jesus. Killed by religion. Not yet. But soon. I hope.
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The Christian had no power over Satan until Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to indwell the Christian at the Pentecost after His resurrection.

In order for Satan to rule all the world for 42 months the Holy Spirit must be removed.

Since the Holy Spirit cannot be removed from the Christian once he has been filled with the Spirit then the Spirit filled Christian must be removed for Satan to receive his promised reign on Earth.
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Nice, did you make that up all by yourself, or are you simply repeating what your sunday pastor said?

hiding
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Yah. I’m a heretic like Jesus. Killed by religion. Not yet. But soon. I hope.
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You won't live for Him

but you will die for Him?
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I praise me.
Because I’m not a dumbass rapturetard.
So what?
Because I don’t go to a church and listen to lies from a bundle of sticks priest.
So what?
I read the Bible and I’m Jesus strong
So what?
Jesus is king. My king.
My salvation is individual.
So what?
That’s what.
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So what?

I believe Jesus.

I believe The Bible.

I believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture to be true.

I need not insult you to believe Jesus.

I hope Jesus Christ counts me worthy to escape the things that are soon to come upon the earth.
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I hope Jesus Christ Himself suddenly seizes me away without warning faster than the blink of an eye to be find myself suddenly before Him with Him... in the mezzanine... Yes, I hope so.
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And if not, I will find myself wherever He will have me to be,
and I'm good with that too.
So what exactly seems to be your big problem with that?
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If not going to church is your validation, then it's mine too...

So what?
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You don't preach Jesus now,

but you're gonna be a big mighty defender of Jesus then?!
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Would you like, right this very moment, to be most astonished to find yourself suddenly seized away without warning,
and then to find yourself suddenly standing before Jesus Christ, and then to remain with Him forever thereafter?
Right now. Can you say Yes?

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Not surprised not one of you has...
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"When the first day of the 7-year Trib period (i.e., Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9:27) begins, it is then that the Two Witnesses appear; their ministry begins on Day 1 of the Trib period, and ends on Day 1,260, when the Antichrist commits the Abomination of Desolation and goes out to murder them.

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Removed?!

Try again:

"When the first day of the 7-year Trib period (i.e., Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9:27) begins, it is then that the Two Witnesses appear; their ministry begins on Day 1 of the Trib period, and ends on Day 1,260, when the Antichrist commits the Abomination of Desolation and goes out to murder them.

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Nevermind. That J word...

This, too, is an evidence that the Rapture is Pre-Trib. As said earlier, Jesus gave to His Church the job of being witnesses to Him. (Acts 1:8) Why would God now use two J****h witnesses doing the miracles of Moses and Elijah, and 144,000 J****h men to share the gospel, unless it were necessary because the Church is no longer on Earth to do the job?"


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"It is important to note that in doing the miracles of Moses and Elijah, the Two Witnesses represent the testimony of the two authorities acknowledged by the sons of Israel, the Law and the Prophets. When giving "The Golden Rule," Jesus referenced that same authority the people knew when He said, "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12) When Jesus had taken Peter, James and John to the Mount of Transfiguration, they met Moses and Elijah, who epitomize the Law (Moses) and the Prophets (Elijah). (Luke 9:20) When Jesus rebuked the scoffing Pharisees, again He spoke of the Law and the Prophets. (Luke 16:14-16) Also, after His resurrection, Jesus appeared to two disciples on the road to Emmaus, and taught them about Himself out of the Law and the Prophets. (Luke 24:25-27)

During the Tribulation, the sons of Israel will be seeing, with their own eyes, the Two Witnesses performing the miracles of Moses and Elijah, and will be hearing, with their own ears, the testimony of those two authorities, representing the Law and the Prophets, preaching Jesus Christ.

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The Antichrist slays the Two Witnesses, and the Trib period now begins its second half. The Antichrist then goes after God's people in a massive persecution that will permit no worship except to him. It says in Scripture of this time (i.e., the second half of the Trib):

"I kept looking, and that horn [i.e., Antichrist] was waging war with the saints and overpowering them." (Daniel 7:21)

"...and they will be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time." (Daniel 7:25b)

"There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him." (Revelation 13:5)

"It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him." (Revelation 13:7)

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Those are all great scriptures but they point to God's wrath we escape.

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All those verses about the big surprise that no one knows when
except that you know exactly when it is and will be?

Dismiss them all out of hand, just like that! Poof!
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I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?


Romans 11:11-15


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25

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Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Whether you believe in pre or post trib, if you have Jesus, you have salvation.

True faith in Jesus as savior is of the utmost importance, especially with darkness covering the world. Jesus is love, so let's spread a little more in this thread.

Jesus is coming soon. Let's rejoice in that alone.

Peace and love to all brothers and sisters in Christ.

hf
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For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:35,36
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How can it be any sudden unexpected seizing away

if you are counting down the 1260 days?
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and that's assuming you are still among the living when 2/3rds of all living will have died.





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