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Verdict watch now in Arbery case.

 
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It's gonna come back guilty.

Jogger clearly charged the guy with the shotgun and tried to turn it on the shotgun guy...but they've pretty much decreed that you're not allowed to even entertain the idea of self-defense in this case because of the circumstances.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
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100% agree.

I don’t like the law on accessories to murder- I don’t like it that a person in the car gets charged when other passengers commit murder, either. The dude following in the truck did commit felony assault with his vehicle, though- which does make him more likely to be found guilty for being a part of the whole thing.
The other two will and should be found guilty of murder. If it becomes okay to shoot an unarmed person based on a suspicion because they finally try to defend themselves with their hands- it is just a matter of time before the argument is made than none of us should have firearms.
Travis’s own testimony clearly indicates that he and his father are guilty as sin.
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So you're driven by paranoia that they're going to come for your guns if they're not found guilty? You're exactly the person who should not be on a jury.

The gun wasn't fired until the guy was assaulted, and while Arbery may have had a legitimate right to self-defense it isn't shooting him because of suspicion. It is shooting him based on a tussle for the gun, which is clearly not suspicion.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


Call the cops and wait 1-4 hours for them to get there.

Been there. Done that.
I've also escorted thieves off my property with a gun in my hand. If they tried to take it away. I'd be in fear for my life and would have a God given right to self defense.

Your black supremacy doesn't change that.

Just admit you are a racist who hates white people. Makes the discussion more honest.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


If you fear for your life call the cops?! Are you fucking serious?

Holy shit you are brain dead.
When seconds count the cops are minutes away. They will arrive in time to make a note of your homicide for the record and call someone to pick up your corpse.
Have a nice day.
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


If you fear for your life call the cops?! Are you fucking serious?

Holy shit you are brain dead.
When seconds count the cops are minutes away. They will arrive in time to make a note of your homicide for the record and call someone to pick up your corpse.
Have a nice day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72807640


the guy wasn't threatening their lives, he was running, escaping from them

so who was the aggressor that placed whom in danger?!
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


If you fear for your life call the cops?! Are you fucking serious?

Holy shit you are brain dead.
When seconds count the cops are minutes away. They will arrive in time to make a note of your homicide for the record and call someone to pick up your corpse.
Have a nice day.
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the guy wasn't threatening their lives, he was running, escaping from them

so who was the aggressor that placed whom in danger?!
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If someone is running at you, and they refuse to stop: you do have a legitimate fear... and to some extent that fear was justified: Arbery tried wrestling for the gun.

You could then argue Arbery had a legitimate fear for being chased, even though the pursuers tried talking to him and the pursuers had reason to suspect him of a crime. That's really the focus here, not whether or not they had a legitimate right to be worried the guy who was running towards their vehicle would assault them and try to turn the gun on them, because he did.
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


Your mother is a dumb cunt, who raised a dumb coward.
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I'm guessing a verdict will be today? What happens when it continues through a holiday? Are they allowed to have Thanksgiving?
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


If you fear for your life call the cops?! Are you fucking serious?

Holy shit you are brain dead.
When seconds count the cops are minutes away. They will arrive in time to make a note of your homicide for the record and call someone to pick up your corpse.
Have a nice day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72807640


the guy wasn't threatening their lives, he was running, escaping from them

so who was the aggressor that placed whom in danger?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80563402


He was within inches of the gun when it went off. That's evidence he could not have been running away. He was running at the person holding the gun and trying to take the gun away.
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
i heard some of the trial opinions

some judicial experts on FOX NEWS precisely, were saying how if you're suspecting a crime that's going on, you call the police

you can't apprehend somebody just because you THINK he might be the perpetrator

can't just civilly arrest folks on the streets

they went hunting
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In my state, Oregon, you can perform a Citizens Arrest and not only that, you can use physical contact/force to detain.

I had to do it once and I asked the cops after if what we did was legal and they said 100% it is.
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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Isn't this 20:20 hindsight thing convenient? They needed better hindsight vision.

In the real world, these people knew nothing about whether he was armed or whether he had stolen anything. All they knew was that he had been running and he was wanted for a series of tresspasses including one that involved thousands of dollars of equipment being stolen from a boat (which I believe was on the property).
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79985898


Exactly.
They should have called the police first thing, followed at a good distance until police arrived. Confronting the man when they suspected he could have been contemplating (but not yet committed) a crime was bad judgement call after bad judgement call.
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Not guilty is only possible if they were overcharged. Artery was responsible for his death, but their actions sped up his demise by days or a few years.
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There is a verdict! They're notifying families and waiting for people to return to the courtroom!

I'm watching Court TV.

Last Edited by nutmeg on 11/24/2021 01:25 PM
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
i heard some of the trial opinions

some judicial experts on FOX NEWS precisely, were saying how if you're suspecting a crime that's going on, you call the police

you can't apprehend somebody just because you THINK he might be the perpetrator

can't just civilly arrest folks on the streets

they went hunting
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80563402


That would undermine our entire civilization and form of government. That is the same as saying the police can't arrest someone for being suspected of a crime either. The government, nor any of it's administrators, can have any powers the people do not themselves possess. If I don't have the right to do something, then no agent who works on my behalf may have it either.

If I interrupt what appears to be a rape, are you suggesting I cannot apprehend and use force against the suspected person? If he attacked me am I not allowed to respond.

I'm not weighing on either side of this particular case, but the thinking you just put forth destroys the rule of law and makes anarchy inevitable.
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There is a verdict! They're notifying families and waiting for people to return to the courtroom!

I'm watching Court TV.
 Quoting: nutmeg


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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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Isn't this 20:20 hindsight thing convenient? They needed better hindsight vision.

In the real world, these people knew nothing about whether he was armed or whether he had stolen anything. All they knew was that he had been running and he was wanted for a series of tresspasses including one that involved thousands of dollars of equipment being stolen from a boat (which I believe was on the property).
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I wish "Citizens arrest." would go away. If people are going to play cop be prepared to suffer the consequences if you screw it up. The majority of people would never do what these 3 dummies did, thank goodness.
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79985898


Exactly.
They should have called the police first thing, followed at a good distance until police arrived. Confronting the man when they suspected he could have been contemplating (but not yet committed) a crime was bad judgement call after bad judgement call.
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If we locked up everyone who showed bad judgment, who would close the last door?
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There is a verdict! They're notifying families and waiting for people to return to the courtroom!

I'm watching Court TV.
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Very exciting!
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Joggers always wear Lugz when they jog...
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Problem for Defense is when you provocate an encounter you could give up your right to self defense. I'm afraid they could say following him and brandishing a weapon could be seen as that.
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79985898


Isn't this 20:20 hindsight thing convenient? They needed better hindsight vision.

In the real world, these people knew nothing about whether he was armed or whether he had stolen anything. All they knew was that he had been running and he was wanted for a series of tresspasses including one that involved thousands of dollars of equipment being stolen from a boat (which I believe was on the property).
 Quoting: GooPile


I wish "Citizens arrest." would go away. If people are going to play cop be prepared to suffer the consequences if you screw it up. The majority of people would never do what these 3 dummies did, thank goodness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79985898


If citizens arrest goes away then all arrest must go away, for where would the just powers of government be derived? But yes, police and citizens should suffer the same consequences of screwing it up.
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Verdict is in, about to be announced. They're waiting for the jury, so its seconds away!
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


As far as calling the cops goes. It's not like that where some of us live. In my area it takes a minimum of 1 hour for you to see a cop. If then. Our Sheriff's department doesn't have anyone on duty from 9pm to 9am. So that leaves us with 2 on duty state troopers to cover the entire 530 square miles here. If you fear for your life here, you eliminate the threat and then call the cops. I'm not arguing the rest of what you said. Just pointing out your argument of "if you fear for your life, call the cops" is flawed. That only works in towns and cities.

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Problem for Defense is when you provocate an encounter you could give up your right to self defense. I'm afraid they could say following him and brandishing a weapon could be seen as that.
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Yes. And even in attempt of citizens arrest, the man was at most committing a misdemeanor (trespassing) which would not justify the brandishing of a firearm--- excessive use of force.
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Guilty of felony murder, maybe. Malice murder, no way. Need to know more though before casting judgement. Didn't follow this case that closely. EDIT: the son was found guilty of malice murder.

Last Edited by GooPile on 11/24/2021 01:38 PM
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Multiple armed men chased down and shot an unarmed person. You have no legal right to do that in any state. Property crime or not. I’m all for self defense but these clowns give gun owners a bad name. Way to give ammo to the opposition. Idiots.

Lock em up.
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Travis McMichael (son) Guilty

Gregory McMichael (father) felony murder: Guilty

Stupid men. They'll be killed in prison.

3rd guy: Felony murder: Guilty

Last Edited by nutmeg on 11/24/2021 01:42 PM





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