Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective

Jesus said 'the path is narrow'.

The Bible shows us the path.

It seems to me that the path you speak of is not narrow at all. You are.continally saying that billions of.people.are.chriatian, that follow the Bible etc. That doesn't sound narrow to me.

Along with that, there's clearly much disagreement amongst the Bible followers. Which ones are correct? Which are following the so called narrow.way?

I don't expect an answer from you, as.its.my observation you don't answer questions, just redirect people to one thread or.another.of.yours

Why do you accuse op of not following the Bible? OP is consistently referring to scripture.

The term father is a metaphor to illustrate our relationship to the Creator. The Creator is both father and mother in a sense. The term Creator is more appropriate so as not to define and limit something that is beyond our understanding.

Agreed.

But interpretations of the Bible disagree on that path.

Sotl does not agree with my interpretation of the scripture. It seems his view is on the literal level so as to niss the deeper level of understanding.

The term "Perfect" could be referring to the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus repeatedly preached about the coming Kingdom of Heaven so that is likely what the verse is referring to.

You are assuming the coming of the "Perfect" is Jesus. That is just your interpretation.

In context, the Kingdom of Heaven fits because the verses declare a transition from childhood to full knowledge and the partial being done away with. The partial is the current world and the Perfect is the Kingdom of Heaven.

Last Edited by danielbarzohar on 10/01/2022 11:52 AM

How do you know it is wrong? The Torah teaches the Creator is one and we are one with him. It is the primary verse the Hebrews quote daily.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5

4 “Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!

5 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Jesus said to be one with the Creator as he was one with the Creator.

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Says WHO????

NO scripture supports such.

Don't bother with 'sphia'. It's a construct of the pagan heathen Plato.

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Jesus clarified things for us.

Jesus said the Father is "The only TRUE God"

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee
the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

...

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;
for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

....

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will

I make a pillar in the temple of my God,

and he shall go no more out: and I will write

upon him the name of my God,

and the name of the city of my God,

which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of

heaven from my God: and I will write upon

him my new name

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Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein:

for the Lord God Almighty <<<< Father God

and the Lamb <<<< Jesus

are the temple of it.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up
into heaven, or descended? <<<< Father God

who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name, <<<< Father God


and what is his son's name,

if thou canst tell? <<<< Jesus

Paul is NOT refering to the Kingdom.

'My interpretation'?

The New Heaven and New Earth don't happen until AFTER the Millenial Reign of Jesus - on Earth.

He is 'without spot or blemish'.
Jesus is the perfect SON of the Living God.

You're just flat out WRONG on this.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 10/01/2022 01:58 PM

Jesus is 'the way...'

Thread: The Lord's Prayer - The ONLY Prayer Given the Apostles - Declares the Father as Sovereign - KJV Bible Study

There's only ONE Gospel.

Thread: The Gospel - Basic Teachings of Jesus (amd Paul) for Salvation - KJV Bible Study

Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study

Belief in Jesus the Christ is of utmost importance.

Yet Jesus said He would disavow certain folks who 'cast out demons' - saying 'I never knew you'. Where did they fail?

We don't know.

Most Christians scream their doctrines and the verses that have been taught to them by pastors & theologians.

People rail against my topics because they refuse to look at the scriptural - and in some cases - the historical evidence.

It's all I can do is to present what evidence I see - what I am being shown.

Most folks version of Bible Study
is reading the verses - and the explanations
- that the church / pastor gives them. I don't
think that is what Paul meant.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given
by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Originally Adam was both masculine and feminine after being made in the Creator's image. The feminine aspects was separated with the creation of Eve.

The Creator encompasses all that is so would contain both masculine and feminine aspects.

Either one of us could be wrong as it is interpretation of the word Perfect. Only Paul and the Creator knows for sure what the word Perfect is referring to.

The New Heaven and New earth views depend on which doctrines you subscribe to.

Jesus showed us the way through his teachings and deeds.

He said to go within and be one with the Creator.

The Creator does not care how in error some of our beliefs may be. The devils believe and tremble.

Satan (The Accuser) creates a giant distraction by having religious people arguing and accusing each other over beliefs and doctrine to the point that everyone misses the Creator's message. The accuser accomplishes this through using our own egos. We are so convinced we are correct that we join in the chaos to prove that we are right.

Christians that fight and bicker over what things mean are servants of Satan. Instead we should follow Paul's advice and not criticize those that are babies (immature) in the faith because of their lack of knowledge. We should implement love and forgiveness and be vessels of light to those around us. We should treat others as we would want to be treated. No one has all the truth for we see into a mirror darkly. We only see a small fraction of any truth that we discover.

The Creator desires us to have a day to day intimate relationship with it as we follow our path and grow in spiritual maturity and knowledge. To do that we need to take our ego's off the throne of our hearts and let the Creator take It's proper place to lead us. Those that follow their ego will not be able to walk with the Creator as the voice of ego over-rides the whisper of the small, still voice of the Creator from within.

The bottom line is that you can believe what the truth is but still not have a relationship with the Creator. Unless you walk with the Creator's spirit you do not know the One that Created all.

The stairway to heaven is not going outside or up, it is going within to find the Creator. The Creator is there, but our ego is louder than the whisper from the Creator. Quiet your ego and listen for the Creator. Then follow the Creator on the path It has for you.



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FYI - The opening posts in the thread linked below is packed with information. It is worth reading.

Thread: The Overlay/Construct Is Falling Apart

So the question arises as to What are the Scriptures?

The scriptures are referenced throughout the Christian New Testament and Christians are encouraged to study the scriptures and test things according to the scriptures.

What scriptures were the writers of the New Testament referring to? It could not have been their own letters and writings as they had not yet been compiled and canonized to be added to the Hebrews Bible to form what we have today as the Christian Bible. The letters of the apostles were circulated among the Christian churches to provide guidance on doctrine and principles of faith.

If you carefully read the writings of the New Testament, it is clear that the scriptures being referred to were the Hebrews Tanach.

The New Testament writers also quoted or alluded to other books that they may have considered as scripture. According to Wikipedia, these other books quoted or alluded to include the following:

1. Book of Enoch (Jude 4,6,13,14-15, 2 Peter 2:4;3:13)

2. Life of Adam and Eve (2 Corinthians 11:14 "Satan as an angel of light", 12:2 "Third Heaven")

3. Assumption of Moses (Jude 9 "Michael… body of Moses")

4. Martyrdom of Isaiah (Hebrews 11:37 "they were sawn in two")

Of these 4 books referenced, the Book of Enoch was the one most likely considered scripture by the early church as it has been found among the Dead Sea Scrolls and was quoted multiple times in both Jude and 2 Peter. It wasn’t canonized by the church and may or may not be scripture.

However, the Book of Enoch has a lot of writing related to the messiah as well as information on the angelic realm and is well worth reading for those that have never read it.

It's not the 'word' perfect'.

It's the phrase 1 Cor 13:10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away with.

There is absolutely NO scripture that connects 'the perfect' with 'the kingdom'.

AND there is plenty of scripture that refers to Christ's retrun'.

Jesus is the perfect Son of the Living God.

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New Heaven and New Earth will be exactly as stated.

Any other interpretation is just by those unwilling to accept what God has declared that He will do.

OP is correct. What do you think the story is about in the Bible then when a rib was removed from Adam to create the woman? Obviously the woman already existed within adam! However another way to look at all of it is that each one of us has feminine and masculine energies. The problem over the thousands of years is that the feminine energy has been squelched into nearly non-existence. The masculine energy has been distorted and now is no longer what it truly was meant to be. It has become narcissistic, manipulative and controlling.

A well-balanced harmonious individual will have learned to work with both feminine and masculine energies within themselves.

I have NO problem with Apocrypha from either the Catholic nor the KJV.

Modern theologians rail against those books because they distract people from the doctrines they teach.

Last but not least, it's now common knowledge that church writers hated Messianic believers - pushing Pauline dispensationalism instead.

Hogwash.

God used a 'rib' from Adam because it was far easier to use Adam's DNA as a 'basis' for Eve - instead of creatinr her from the dust all over again.

And no other creature on the planet had DNA even close to Adam's.

God and Adam having both 'male and female' aspects is the true beginning of the 'Femin-nazi' movement.

There's NO Biblical support for it.

Everything to be known is NOT contained in the Bible.

Common sense will tell you both are needed in order to create. Yeashua actually came in the feminine energy, representative of the mother's energy... nurturing, compassion, teacher.

The father is the seed planter... mother energy nurtures the seed. Both are necessary

Maybe - but yet the Bible contains ALL that is needed to understand Father God and His plan for Salvation.

'Mother energy'???

The statements / declarations / teachings that you folks push have NO root in scripture - not even Apocrypha.

It's all based on pagan-written false documents by people who HATED the Hebrews and their God.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 10/02/2022 11:19 AM

Is not the Kingdom of Heaven "Perfect"? Where is another verse or statement from Jesus where he is identified with the exact term "Perfect". Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God.

You perfectly illustrate the point that there is the scripture and then man's multiple interpretations of what the words mean.

In the Hebrews religion, most rabbis are not so arrogant to believe that they are the only one right so they publish all rabbinical opinions. They acknowledge that only the Creator knows for sure who is correct.

Your view is your perspective that the term "Perfect" refers to Jesus. My view is that it refers to the Kingdom of Heaven. Why did Paul not just say when Jesus comes? He obviously knew of Jesus. Instead he used the term "Perfect". It could be referring to both Jesus and the Kingdom since they are interconnected.

Last Edited by danielbarzohar on 10/02/2022 12:04 PM

Jesus preached that the Kingdom of Heaven was coming. That fits the verse perfectly with the phrase 'when the perfect comes'.