Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective | |
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Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 84184102 United States 09/12/2022 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is what the bible says silly. God created all that is which includes angels, demons, humans, and animals. God said humans would rule over animals and angels are above humans which makes up a hiearchy of beings. You should read your bible more. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84149868 'Angels are above humand'? No verse tates such. I think you missed this.... Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy breth- ren that have the testimony of Jesus: wor- ship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/12/2022 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These verses indicate a hierarchy that the Creator established in his creation. The arc angels, Gabriel and Michael are higher than other angels. The verses you quote were referencing a lower angel as a fellow servant. Mankind likely fits somewhere below the Creator and the arc angels, but above the more numerous Mal’akh or Messenger angels. Genesis chapter 1 27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; Psalm chapter 8 3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have set in place; 4 What is man that You think of him, And a son of man that You are concerned about him? 5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God, And You crown him with glory and majesty! Hebrews chapter 2 6 But someone has testified somewhere, saying, “What is man, that You think of him? Or a son of man, that You are concerned about him? 7 You have made him for a little while lower than angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor; 8 You have put everything in subjection under his feet.” "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/12/2022 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO there is obviously order and hierarchy in Creation established by the Creator of all. One can argue opinions based on selective verses. Those opinions are just that. The main point is that hierarchies and order were established by design. Man is above the animals. The Creator is above man. The arc angels are above man while the messenger angels may be more equal to man. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
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danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: God's NAME - Yehovah / Yahweh Appearing on Eastern Wall of the Temple Mount Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD Thread: The Importance of Father God's Name in the Hebrews Language - in the Future - It is Now Thread: Was God's Name Removed or Omitted from the New Testament? - Bible History Thread: 2008 Pope Benedict XVI Banned Father God's Name Yehovah / Yahweh From Prayers Hymns Mass All of creation is a manifestation of the Creator/Source energy forming a multi-tiered hierarchy of beings. Prove that statement. You can't. It's gnostic gnonsense. Show us ONE person, place or event from the Bible that either never existed or didn't happen. You can't. It's accurate history. That is what the bible says silly. God created all that is which includes angels, demons, humans, and animals. God said humans would rule over animals and angels are above humans which makes up a hiearchy of beings. You should read your bible more. Thanks for contributing to this thread! "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84149868 United States 09/13/2022 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So when a bunch of folks believe in a certain name and version of God, their belief creates that God? I don't think we are capable of understanding God enough to define Him. He is above our limited senses and understanding. All we get are glimpses from the world around us and through reading the Bible. |
Loup Garou
User ID: 80950725 United States 09/13/2022 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are some things that are unknowable, such as the true nature of GOD which the human mind cannot comprehend but can only apprehend through intuitive insight. The “ I Am” has no boundaries, works outside of the box, the “ I Am” simply exists is unaffected and unaffectable by any outside stimulus. The “ I Am “ Stands alone, can't be named, can't be owned, can't be labeled. I AM is Omniscience, omnipresent, omnipotent, somniferous omnibus, in short Omni Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84178777 United States 09/13/2022 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WHO IS THIS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83857594 I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. "Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84149868 United States 09/13/2022 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are some things that are unknowable, such as the true nature of GOD which the human mind cannot comprehend but can only apprehend through intuitive insight. Quoting: Loup Garou The “ I Am” has no boundaries, works outside of the box, the “ I Am” simply exists is unaffected and unaffectable by any outside stimulus. The “ I Am “ Stands alone, can't be named, can't be owned, can't be labeled. I AM is Omniscience, omnipresent, omnipotent, somniferous omnibus, in short Omni Great way to explain it. Thanks! |
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Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 12057545 United States 09/13/2022 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These verses indicate a hierarchy that the Creator established in his creation. The arc angels, Gabriel and Michael are higher than other angels. The verses you quote were referencing a lower angel as a fellow servant. Quoting: danielbarzohar Michael and Gabriel don't serve the Father and Jesus like Believers are supposed to? NONSENSE. Angels have free will just like we do. It's how the 200 Fallen LEFT Heaven in the days of Jared. Then there's this... 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? We don't worship angels - nor call them Lord - EXCEPT for 'the Angel OF the LORD'. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These verses indicate a hierarchy that the Creator established in his creation. The arc angels, Gabriel and Michael are higher than other angels. The verses you quote were referencing a lower angel as a fellow servant. Quoting: danielbarzohar Michael and Gabriel don't serve the Father and Jesus like Believers are supposed to? NONSENSE. Angels have free will just like we do. It's how the 200 Fallen LEFT Heaven in the days of Jared. Then there's this... 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? We don't worship angels - nor call them Lord - EXCEPT for 'the Angel OF the LORD'. I appreciate your opinion on scripture, but that is all it is, an opinion supported by a few select verses instead of the entirety of scripture that should be used to broaden your understanding. You did not address the verses that I quoted regarding creation and the angels. There are also verses that indicate that there is a chief angel over each country or people. Take a look at the book of Daniel where an angel, likely Gabriel, was sent by God but was hindered by the chief prince angel over Persia. Michael came to assist the angel's efforts to get to Daniel with the interpretation of Daniel's vision. Daniel 10:10-14 10 Then behold, a hand touched me and shook me on my hands and knees. 11 And he said to me, “Daniel, you who are treasured, understand the words that I am about to tell you and stand at your place, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was standing in my way for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the latter days, because the vision pertains to the days still future.” There is a hierarchy established by the Creator and you and I likely do not understand its complexities. You are stating your opinion that the creator did not establish a hierarchy when obviously it did otherwise how could the creator have sent a messenger to interpret Daniel's vision. You seem to get stuck on select verses without seeing the big picture and understanding it. It is clear mankind was put above the animals and plants and the that Creator has a hierarchy of angels that it uses to govern the nations and interact with mankind. Please study to deepen your understanding beyond the superficial interpretations of selected verses that you currently quote. Scripture is multi-layered and quantum in nature. Last Edited by danielbarzohar on 09/13/2022 06:56 PM "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These verses indicate a hierarchy that the Creator established in his creation. The arc angels, Gabriel and Michael are higher than other angels. The verses you quote were referencing a lower angel as a fellow servant. Quoting: danielbarzohar Michael and Gabriel don't serve the Father and Jesus like Believers are supposed to? NONSENSE. Angels have free will just like we do. It's how the 200 Fallen LEFT Heaven in the days of Jared. Then there's this... 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? We don't worship angels - nor call them Lord - EXCEPT for 'the Angel OF the LORD'. Michael and Gabriel have free will, but do serve the Creator. All the angels serve the Creator and are its messengers, except for those that rebelled. I never said that we worship angels. Your view of angels does not negate the order and hierarchy the Creator established in Creation. It created order from nothingness and chaos. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two is one One is two You are me and I am you. It is time to finish punching holes through the walls of this reality by focusing our intent on a reality above duality. Make it so. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are some things that are unknowable, such as the true nature of GOD which the human mind cannot comprehend but can only apprehend through intuitive insight. Quoting: Loup Garou The “ I Am” has no boundaries, works outside of the box, the “ I Am” simply exists is unaffected and unaffectable by any outside stimulus. The “ I Am “ Stands alone, can't be named, can't be owned, can't be labeled. I AM is Omniscience, omnipresent, omnipotent, somniferous omnibus, in short Omni Thanks so much Lou for contributing to this discussion! Blessings to you! "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe anything we can imagine becomes real somewhere. Who's to say if our dream world is real. Maybe ours dreams are reality in another level or dimension. Thoughts? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84149868 Great insight into the multiverse. Thoughts become things since all is consciousness. We are part of the Universal Mind which is the dreamer of all that is. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
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danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/13/2022 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe anything we can imagine becomes real somewhere. Who's to say if our dream world is real. Maybe ours dreams are reality in another level or dimension. Thoughts? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84149868 You might want to read this thread if you haven't read it before. Thread: Your Thoughts have Power: They can Create Entities or Transport You to Anywhere "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/14/2022 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey brother, Hey sister We are all one. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
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danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/14/2022 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are co-creators with the Creator. So anytime we dream and imagine, we are creating dream realities with the Creator's source energy that is within us to sustain us. In addition, as long as the Creator (Universal Mind) thinks, those thoughts continually create and sustain that which was, is and will be. So the short answer is yes. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States 09/14/2022 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is an interesting thread that explains the OPs perspective on things. Seeing other perspectives is valuable to examine our own and challenge one's own perspective and thinking. He who is wise learns from everyone and everything. The Creator speaks through literally anything if we but pay attention. Thread: The Overlay/Construct Is Falling Apart "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 26464597 United States 09/14/2022 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Michael and Gabriel don't serve the Father and Jesus like Believers are supposed to? Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD NONSENSE. Angels have free will just like we do. It's how the 200 Fallen LEFT Heaven in the days of Jared. Then there's this... 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? We don't worship angels - nor call them Lord - EXCEPT for 'the Angel OF the LORD'. I appreciate your opinion on scripture, but that is all it is, an opinion supported by a few select verses instead of the entirety of scripture that should be used to broaden your understanding. I used 'select verses'? You did too - to promote your false doctrine that angels are'higher' than humans. The 2 verses I posted - you conveniently leave out of your 'theory' - your OWN opinion - because they PROVE your theory to be wrong. - Angels are supposed to serve God inHeaven and wherever He sends them. Angels SENT to Daniel, Mary, John and others. - Humans are supposed to serve God on Earth - whevever He may send them. Noah, Abraham, Moses - even Jesus was SENT. UNLESS they use their 'free will' to disobey. These are Biblical facts. We're all servants of God. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 26464597 United States 09/14/2022 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The word "angels" occurs 94 times in 92 verses in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] The word "angel" occurs 201 times in 192 verses in the KJV. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? About 5000 per legion Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. ... The word "angels" occurs 29 times in both the 4 Gospels AND in "Acts through Jude" of the New Testament. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] ------- The word "angel" occurs 23 times in both the 4 Gospels AND in "Acts through Jude" of the New Testament. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |