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Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75344920  United States08/26/2017 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus referred to himself as "the son of man"! Quoting: Anonymous 72784493 That's language straight out of The Book of Enoch which was banned from the Bible. In fact the Bible cannot be understood without the book of Enoch. The Enochian System of Magick harkens back to a time when man was not a prisoner to the elements! Think about it...could Jesus have performed what are still to this day considered miracles, if he did not command the elements and the elemental spirits??? Why do we have a fascination with Magic and Harry Potter? Think about it! The Cathars and early Gnostic Christians believed this world was created by the devil. Can anyone deny this is most probably true? It is at least certainly controlled by the devil! The evidence is all around us. The evidence is within us! It makes sense that the earth is ruled by the dark forces for the only path to success is exploitation and destruction of others, even upon ones own kind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27302195  South Africa08/26/2017 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.… |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States08/26/2017 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. "heretic" used to just mean another opinion, so, Paul was of another opinion than Jerusalem Christians. I would love to see unedited by official church original Paul's letters. |
| Be that way User ID: 72563303 United States08/26/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. "heretic" used to just mean another opinion, so, Paul was of another opinion than Jerusalem Christians. I would love to see unedited by official church original Paul's letters. Oh, the church definitely say Marcion and the Valentinians as more than "just another opinion." Marcion had numerous competing churches and was a major force and he was all for chucking the OT altogether. Yeah, we'll never see that stuff, but there are those who think he had the earlier copies and there is even a school that think he may have been Paul since he was a rich merchant who could travel as Paul was said to have done. Others think he was Simon Magus. It's fascinating stuff. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2158630 United States08/26/2017 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul completes the bible in a way. Jesus spoke of false apostles and the antichrist, and he warned against the leaven of the Pharisees. Paul falsely calls himself an apostle, boasts that he is a Pharisee, and mixes lies with the Gospel. He is a perfect example of what to expect from the Antichrist, and a study of the leavening of the Gospel. The Bible would not have been complete without including the leaven of the Pharisees and the work of the Antichrist. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States08/26/2017 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ejv St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. ... Quoting: ejv St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. "heretic" used to just mean another opinion, so, Paul was of another opinion than Jerusalem Christians. I would love to see unedited by official church original Paul's letters. Oh, the church definitely say Marcion and the Valentinians as more than "just another opinion." Marcion had numerous competing churches and was a major force and he was all for chucking the OT altogether. Yeah, we'll never see that stuff, but there are those who think he had the earlier copies and there is even a school that think he may have been Paul since he was a rich merchant who could travel as Paul was said to have done. Others think he was Simon Magus. It's fascinating stuff. ... Quoting: ejv St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. ... Quoting: ejv St. Paul was a proto - Valentinian Gnostic - that is the filter one needs to use in understanding his letters. An excellent point. He was the apostle of the heretics to the early church fathers and the chief heretic of them all, Marcion, was the first one to collect the epistles into a set. "heretic" used to just mean another opinion, so, Paul was of another opinion than Jerusalem Christians. I would love to see unedited by official church original Paul's letters. Oh, the church definitely say Marcion and the Valentinians as more than "just another opinion." Marcion had numerous competing churches and was a major force and he was all for chucking the OT altogether. Yeah, we'll never see that stuff, but there are those who think he had the earlier copies and there is even a school that think he may have been Paul since he was a rich merchant who could travel as Paul was said to have done. Others think he was Simon Magus. It's fascinating stuff. best reference I found was by E. Pagels "The Gnostic Paul". She hit the nail.. After her book I re-read Paul's letters in a different light and I see a lot of sense in his message of an initiated Gnostic. |
| Be that way User ID: 72515246 United States08/26/2017 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ejv "heretic" used to just mean another opinion, so, Paul was of another opinion than Jerusalem Christians. I would love to see unedited by official church original Paul's letters. Oh, the church definitely say Marcion and the Valentinians as more than "just another opinion." Marcion had numerous competing churches and was a major force and he was all for chucking the OT altogether. Yeah, we'll never see that stuff, but there are those who think he had the earlier copies and there is even a school that think he may have been Paul since he was a rich merchant who could travel as Paul was said to have done. Others think he was Simon Magus. It's fascinating stuff. best reference I found was by E. Pagels "The Gnostic Paul". She hit the nail.. After her book I re-read Paul's letters in a different light and I see a lot of sense in his message of an initiated Gnostic. Oh, hell yeah. That changes the game right there. I was writing a post about that book last week and got banned because I forgot that one of the terms I was using was an autoban word. Everything he was talking about still plays out today as far as those who take things literally and those who dig deeper. He said he catered to both, but today, the literal folks are the vast majority because their side won the war and they eradicated so much of the source material for the other side. It's just like the sjw folks going after the statues and all that. Think how little we would know without that buried stash of texts having been discovered. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75369705  Mexico08/26/2017 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | follow paul's example and remove your genitals, . . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75428670 or else you're not a true believer. No works involved Only faith don't need faith when one knows. faith is just a poor surrogate, at best, . . at worst it is a false path paul had faith, . .it's why he mutilated himself. try it, . .let us know how it works out for you. |
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 User ID: 74149096 United States08/26/2017 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not only should we accept it, we should embrace it, it is SPECIFICALLY to the gentile world for the doctrine of salvation through faith alone, and the calling out of the body of Christ. Christ's earthly message was SPECIFICALLY to Israel, under the law to bring in the earthly kingdom... it was/is a completely different message, to a completely different people under a completely different dispensation... the concept of "faith only" was unknown to the 12... and wouldn't be introduced by Paul for at LEAST 10 years after the Pentecost... Israel - Gods chosen earthly people received their message from the earthly Christ... and all the promises are earthly, including the earthly kingdom. The Body of Christ - Gods chosen heavenly people received their message through Paul, from an ascended Christ...and all the promises are heavenly. Last Edited by freedomsnotfree1 on 08/26/2017 12:52 PM freedomsnotfree1 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20677059 United States08/26/2017 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will add my 2 cents, from the perspective of someone who is not a Christian but has spent a lot of time trying to research and learn the truth about the NT. The only author in the NT that has any credibility at all is Paul. No other author is credible, because they are mostly anonymous (and later attributed to a famous person by the church) and the few that are not anonymous are known forgeries. Paul is the exception, while some of his letters are also known forgeries, some are as authentic as can be. |
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(OP) User ID: 75409848 United States08/26/2017 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not only should we accept it, we should embrace it, it is SPECIFICALLY to the gentile world... Christ's message was SPECIFICALLY to Israel, under the law to bring in the earthly kingdom... it was/is a completely different message, to a completely different people under a completely different dispensation... the concept of "faith only" was unknown to the 12... and wouldn't be introduced by Paul for at LEAST 10 after the Pentecost... Quoting: freedomsnotfree1  live and die for Christ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74960854  Canada08/26/2017 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, this!! Paul only ever preached Christ Crucified! Kept it simple. For my grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness! I love you Jesus! Time to go and study 1 John now, to all who have eyes and ears you would do well to do the same! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States08/26/2017 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Be that way 72563303 Oh, the church definitely say Marcion and the Valentinians as more than "just another opinion." Marcion had numerous competing churches and was a major force and he was all for chucking the OT altogether. Yeah, we'll never see that stuff, but there are those who think he had the earlier copies and there is even a school that think he may have been Paul since he was a rich merchant who could travel as Paul was said to have done. Others think he was Simon Magus. It's fascinating stuff. best reference I found was by E. Pagels "The Gnostic Paul". She hit the nail.. After her book I re-read Paul's letters in a different light and I see a lot of sense in his message of an initiated Gnostic. Oh, hell yeah. That changes the game right there. I was writing a post about that book last week and got banned because I forgot that one of the terms I was using was an autoban word. Everything he was talking about still plays out today as far as those who take things literally and those who dig deeper. He said he catered to both, but today, the literal folks are the vast majority because their side won the war and they eradicated so much of the source material for the other side. It's just like the sjw folks going after the statues and all that. Think how little we would know without that buried stash of texts having been discovered. You are correct, nothing changed today. They won, Gnostics went hiding and been repressed. But it does not matter at end of the day because the path is not collective but individual, one by one. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40968222 United States08/26/2017 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus selected Paul for every reason. Paul preaches only Jesus Christ. Those that have a problem with Paul do not love Jesus Christ. Paul, the Super J*w, preached Christ to all the world of non-J*w gentiles. You do not know better than Jesus or Paul. You believe or you do not. |
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| Be that way User ID: 72515246 United States08/26/2017 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ejv best reference I found was by E. Pagels "The Gnostic Paul". She hit the nail.. After her book I re-read Paul's letters in a different light and I see a lot of sense in his message of an initiated Gnostic. Oh, hell yeah. That changes the game right there. I was writing a post about that book last week and got banned because I forgot that one of the terms I was using was an autoban word. Everything he was talking about still plays out today as far as those who take things literally and those who dig deeper. He said he catered to both, but today, the literal folks are the vast majority because their side won the war and they eradicated so much of the source material for the other side. It's just like the sjw folks going after the statues and all that. Think how little we would know without that buried stash of texts having been discovered. You are correct, nothing changed today. They won, Gnostics went hiding and been repressed. But it does not matter at end of the day because the path is not collective but individual, one by one. Indeed. Your point about it being an individual path is spot on. Your spark is your spark, as mine is mine, but their source is One. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4652397 United States08/26/2017 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul succeeded to pervert quite many of Jesus teachings. After all he was a Pharisee. People like you never learn. facepalm 1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Why does this topic always end in a Biblical pissing match? I believe both of you! Once you know Saul, you know Jesus. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74547322 United States08/26/2017 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Be that way 72563303 Oh, hell yeah. That changes the game right there. I was writing a post about that book last week and got banned because I forgot that one of the terms I was using was an autoban word. Everything he was talking about still plays out today as far as those who take things literally and those who dig deeper. He said he catered to both, but today, the literal folks are the vast majority because their side won the war and they eradicated so much of the source material for the other side. It's just like the sjw folks going after the statues and all that. Think how little we would know without that buried stash of texts having been discovered. You are correct, nothing changed today. They won, Gnostics went hiding and been repressed. But it does not matter at end of the day because the path is not collective but individual, one by one. Indeed. Your point about it being an individual path is spot on. Your spark is your spark, as mine is mine, but their source is One. E. Bagels is a goofball. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57406041 United States08/26/2017 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who hate Paul do not love Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737 They have a problem with Paul. Paul preaches only Jesus Christ. They have a problem with Christ. They never preach Christ. They oppose the one who started preaching Christ. Again, consistently, those who hate Paul do not love Christ. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe Paul was chosen by Jesus Christ for his testimony, witness and teaching. I believe in the God of Israel. I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Creator of the Universe and everything in it. I believe God Almighty is capable of delivering a Book to us without His Purposes being confounded by the purposes of evil men and I believe that HE does not need YOUR help as if YOU are superior. The people who hate Paul always think a great deal of themselves and their own opinions. Always. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737 They always think they know better. Always. It is always Ego. It is always Pride. The people who hate, judge and condemn Paul always believe themselves superior to Paul. It's interesting to think that Believers will all eventually have the chance to meet each other. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57406041 United States08/26/2017 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737 Paul But we preach Christ crucified, unto the J*ws a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both J*ws and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. Paul For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. Paul But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. Paul Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Paul In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Paul For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Paul That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Paul For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ Paul For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Paul |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States08/26/2017 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Be that way 72515246 You are correct, nothing changed today. They won, Gnostics went hiding and been repressed. But it does not matter at end of the day because the path is not collective but individual, one by one. Indeed. Your point about it being an individual path is spot on. Your spark is your spark, as mine is mine, but their source is One. E. Bagels is a goofball. I suggest to read the book unless you did already. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4652397 United States08/26/2017 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right. I happen to like Paul and glad we got to have his testimony. He was good for us to have. Hallelujah!  UPDATE: I was looking up some cool YouTube videos and accidentally clicked on one that took me to The LDS website! Shit, now they have my IP! Since my grass is tall, I'll consider it a blessing!  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63034588 United States08/26/2017 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was tasked with delivering the gospel (of grace) to us gentiles, while Peter pretty much stayed with preaching to the Jewish people, as he had his hands full getting them to leave the era of "the law" and accept the freedom / liberty that Christ offered by His sacrifice for them.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75441650  Chile08/26/2017 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think about this. In Revelation...the letter to Ephesus talks about praising the church for not tolerating false apostles. what is concerning about Paul...or actually Pol ( as in Apollo...ahem) is that he comes in his own name. His own testimony. He never met Jesus like the disciples, but says he encountered a strange light on a road. That sounds suspicious...like it is possible a deceiving spirit appeared as an angel of light? The book of James (someone who actually knew Jesus) repudiates Paul's gospel and restores the simplicity of Jesus and John the Baptists gospel...Repent and Believe for the Kingdom of God is near. |
