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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. ARCANE?... is your minister a freemason Arcane is just a word in the dictionary. |
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User ID: 74907903 Canada 08/27/2017 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | M't:25:45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. M't:25:46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Paul expands on this as do all the other Apostles. Peter and the other 10 stayed in Jerusalem until 70AD and the start of the time of the Gentiles in which the Temple of God is the one in Re:4 and it will remain in effect until the two witnesses are killed. Satan will have 3 1/2 days to build a temple and install a throne on it. After that short time Christ takes control. There is no temple when He pours out the 7 vials but there is one when the resurrections start. The only event that could fit is the 1/2 hour of silence associated with 7th seal. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75170599 Netherlands 08/27/2017 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul got love. Nothing much wrong with his writing. He was just a man though like everyone else. Not G-d, not messiah. But man, like you and me. Trying to make the best understanding of it Quoting: 589 True, and men make mistakes. And apostles can be wrong, as they were from time to time, even those who actually were there with Jesus, yet they still screwed up. their ONLY value is in relating what THEY saw Jesus do or heard Jesus say. Their opinions, any of their opionions outside of that are their own. OTHER than the ones Jesus said had editorial and interpretation rights. in other words NONE. He testify of alot. Grace, mercy, love. His writing and experience give insight to this how it relates with G-d, it did for me anyway. Also his writing still give me answers to tough questions Forgiveness, mercy. These qualities of G-d, hating on Paul is hating these qualities. And im messianic but got love for Paul |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States 08/27/2017 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. Christ Jesus preached "the Kingdom is Near" as close as "within you" . Then, know yourself. But he didnt say, "stay tuned for the Saul of Tarsus roadshow, because hes got some break7ng updates", Paul was for his time and place, we did not have anyone else. Political manipulators (like Constantine, Popes, e.t.c.) created Paul's Christianity and that grew into what we have now. Paul explained natures of humans spiritual essence like later Valentinians (Hylic, Psychic and Pneumatic) and everything of spiritual in men guided by that. It is still true now. Paul applied that to his ministry, time in place. Psychic nature (1 Corinthians 2:14} is running Christian world today and they do not understand Paul, The Gnostic or the know but continue manipulating the world. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75427191 United Kingdom 08/29/2017 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul's writings were written by John. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75417397 The seven churches, to which the Alpha Omega writes in the style of Paul: Epheseus Pergamum Sardis Thyatira Laodicea Smyrna Philadelphia EPSTL SP It is Latin. The missing letters are IO and A EPISTOLA - Letter SP - Saul/Paul A IO - By me The revelation of Jesus Christ given to his messenger His chief messenger..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75427191 United Kingdom 08/29/2017 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul's writings were written by John. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75417397 The seven churches, to which the Alpha Omega writes in the style of Paul: Epheseus Pergamum Sardis Thyatira Laodicea Smyrna Philadelphia EPSTL SP It is Latin. The missing letters are IO and A EPISTOLA - Letter SP - Saul/Paul A IO - By me The revelation of Jesus Christ given to his messenger His chief messenger..... PAUL - 17The salutation by the hand of me, Paul, which is a sign in every letter; thus I write; 18the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all! Amen. Revelation 22 20he saith — who is testifying these things — ‘Yes, I come quickly!’ Amen! Yes, be coming, Lord Jesus! 21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. Amen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75427191 United Kingdom 08/29/2017 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul completes the bible in a way. Jesus spoke of false apostles and the antichrist, and he warned against the leaven of the Pharisees. Paul falsely calls himself an apostle, boasts that he is a Pharisee, and mixes lies with the Gospel. He is a perfect example of what to expect from the Antichrist, and a study of the leavening of the Gospel. The Bible would not have been complete without including the leaven of the Pharisees and the work of the Antichrist. Just like the pharisees called Jesus demon possessed, so do you say it. Blasphemy of th Holy Spirit is what you are committing Repent and may the Lord jesus have mercy upon you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75427191 United Kingdom 08/29/2017 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not exactly, that verse merely makes a hyperbolic comparison to the Talmudic Pharisees. It was meant to shock the hearers, because the Pharisees were considered to be so righteous but in reality they broke the written torah all the time in favor of their oral torah/talmud that just added a bunch of extra nonsense burdens on top of the written law of Moses. The Pharisees added a bunch of garbage on top of the written torah and some of them tried to do the same to Christianity and to a great extent were successful. But the path is narrow...only a few will find it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 We are not given the spirit in order to keep the letter. Was Jesus Christ simply lacking the spirit when he deliberately broke the letter concerning the sabbath? Was Jesus lacking the spirit when He healed the impotent man and told him to take up his bed and walk, contrary to the letter of the law? Really? Because that is what you are preaching. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75455675 Chile 08/29/2017 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He didn't break the law when He did those things, he exemplified/clarified the law as He originally intended when He gave it in the old testament The only thing He broke was the crap that the Pharisees added ONTOP of the written law...their oral law...known today as the Talmud. Those additional manmade laws...the oral law, was the heavy burden that Jesus condemned the Pharisees for binding up on mens backs. |
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(OP) User ID: 75409848 United States 09/01/2017 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | RAPTURE is the crutch religion proposes for ascension, Sadly many have not yet figured this out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75442707 Everything is pointing to the last trump of the Feast of Trumpets this year. Sept 23 Last Edited by anonymous 3333333 on 09/01/2017 07:25 PM live and die for Christ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73568352 United States 09/01/2017 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul completes the bible in a way. Jesus spoke of false apostles and the antichrist, and he warned against the leaven of the Pharisees. Paul falsely calls himself an apostle, boasts that he is a Pharisee, and mixes lies with the Gospel. He is a perfect example of what to expect from the Antichrist, and a study of the leavening of the Gospel. The Bible would not have been complete without including the leaven of the Pharisees and the work of the Antichrist. Just like the pharisees called Jesus demon possessed, so do you say it. Blasphemy of th Holy Spirit is what you are committing Repent and may the Lord jesus have mercy upon you I was quite a bit more familiar with the Gospels before I had read Paul's letters. Jesus said 'let your yes be yes and your no be no,' and there are many references where Paul names God as his witness. Acts records 3 separate accounts of Paul's conversion on the way to Damascus, and each one is contradictory to the others. It took me a long time to accept Paul, but I think he was in a no win situation. I respect his wisdom, but he does not seem to me to be that loving of a person. However, without his admonitions, we might have ended up with a type of Christianity that it is now becoming in these times, confess Christ and party on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73444464 United States 09/01/2017 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul succeeded to pervert quite many of Jesus teachings. After all he was a Pharisee. People like you never learn. facepalm 1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Why does this topic always end in a Biblical pissing match? I believe both of you! Once you know Saul, you know Jesus. About the video, are they trying to say that what Paul taught concerning clean and unclean foods was contrary to what the apostles believed? If so, I don't understand why what Paul taught wasn't compared to Jesus' teaching on the subject. I know Jesus didn't specifically speak of clean and unclean foods, but He did say in Matthew 15:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” He then went on and explained further, Matthew 15:17, Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.” So, Jesus specifically speaks of eating with unwashed hands, but since the food itself (clean or unclean) also passes into the stomach and is expelled, is Jesus also in a sense declaring all foods clean? |
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User ID: 61448539 Canada 09/02/2017 07:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, Jesus specifically speaks of eating with unwashed hands, but since the food itself (clean or unclean) also passes into the stomach and is expelled, is Jesus also in a sense declaring all foods clean? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73444464 No, he wasn't declaring all foods clean. That would be a violation of the Torah. Y'shua kept the Torah perfectly and advocated others to do so also. What he is saying is to focus on the heart. He wants our thoughts and words to be pure as well as our bodies. In other words, what good is eating clean when you turn your ear toward impure language and ideas, breed it in your mind, cultivate sin in your heart, and spew forth uncleanless with your lips? Such action defiles as well. Focus on the heart, but let it not be a license to sin. May it guard you from sin inside and out. Last Edited by Elegant Walnut on 09/02/2017 07:22 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74563253 Netherlands 09/02/2017 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure if this has been mentioned because i have only read the first page of the thread. If paul is for real and is actually the "thirteenth apostle" then where is his gate in the new jerusalem? "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." [link to biblehub.com] |
Wayfaring Stranger
User ID: 74907903 Canada 09/02/2017 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is the verse for the gates, your reference is the related to the wall and the corners of the city. Re:21:12: And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: Apostles were counted when they were baptized and that was the day of His resurrection at the earliest. The Beloved Disciple was a Disciple of John the Baptist, she(Mary of Bethany)ends up being Christ's wife and that is the highest reward any person can receive. Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 09/02/2017 08:34 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75468819 Israel 09/02/2017 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | paul was a scumbag, a pen name of a group of roman scholars who wanted to further hellenize christianity and make it fit with greco roman cosmopolitanism. pauls contradict OT and jesus. jesus was invented by flavians. stupid jesus sluts are in for a world of suffering |
Wayfaring Stranger
User ID: 74907903 Canada 09/02/2017 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? Romans:13 give the sword to the rulers of the nations to be used against evil. Sounds like the citizens are giving up being rebels. Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 09/02/2017 08:53 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73444464 United States 09/02/2017 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, Jesus specifically speaks of eating with unwashed hands, but since the food itself (clean or unclean) also passes into the stomach and is expelled, is Jesus also in a sense declaring all foods clean? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73444464 No, he wasn't declaring all foods clean. That would be a violation of the Torah. Y'shua kept the Torah perfectly and advocated others to do so also. What he is saying is to focus on the heart. He wants our thoughts and words to be pure as well as our bodies. In other words, what good is eating clean when you turn your ear toward impure language and ideas, breed it in your mind, cultivate sin in your heart, and spew forth uncleanless with your lips? Such action defiles as well. Focus on the heart, but let it not be a license to sin. May it guard you from sin inside and out. Jesus said, and I quote Matthew 15:11, Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.” Are you trying to say that 'unclean' food does NOT go into the mouth of a man? I see it as saying a man isn't defiled by what he eats (clean or unclean), only by what he says. And I guess I'm not the only one who sees it this way! Jesus did not teach his disciples to break the Law, for since he had not yet died and been resurrected, the Law was still in effect. However, he did tell his disciples that his death and resurrection was the beginning of a new covenant (Lk 22:20). This new covenant removed the distinctions between clean and unclean that were made in the Law, as a vision from God demonstrated to Peter in Acts 10:9-16: About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. The immediate purpose of this vision was to teach Peter that it was alright for him to associate with "unclean" Gentiles and share the Gospel with them (Acts 10:17-11:18). As a result of the vision and the subsequent salvation of Gentiles, the church realized that the ceremonial laws given by Moses were no longer in effect (Acts 15:5-11). Thus, the idea that all foods are now clean did not originate with Paul, but with God himself. [link to www.rationalchristianity.net (secure)] Maybe what's needed is to have 'eyes to see and ears to hear'. After all, God did say in Genesis 1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73444464 United States 09/02/2017 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even though I can see from the words of Jesus and Peter's dream where unclean foods may have been 'cleansed,' perhaps it's best to avoid them regardless, at least for now. There are some troubling prophesies given in Isaiah 65 and Isaiah 66. Isaiah 65:2 I spread out my hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, following their own devices; ... 4 who eat pig's flesh, and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels; ... 12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter, because, when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my eyes and chose what I did not delight in.” Pig's flesh in that chapter is specifically mentioned. Then, in Isaiah 66:17 it says, “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the LORD. I see, from these verses in Isaiah, it's not all cut and dry! I'll have to research more. I pulled those verses from an online source and will have to see what MY Bible at home says concerning them. It may be best to play it safe and avoid those foods, at least for now, until I get a chance to thoroughly research the matter. |
Tree of Life
User ID: 5933997 United States 09/02/2017 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have seen your thread, and have refrained from commenting... but regarding the word 'gospel', I must clarify. The Gospel is composed of the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The Gospel contains the living words of Jesus Christ. And regarding the testimony found in the letters of Paul... ALL TESTIMONY OF TRUE CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED! He lived an inspired life, and found much truth which he shared with his brethren, but don't all true Christians who live a Godly life? I know I receive the blessings from The Lord God everyday, and also trials in which He proves His love for me. Paul recording his ministry and his teachings is inspiring, indeed, but they are not the Living Word. I have known others whose conversion to the Lord was traumatic, like Paul's was... after being a killer of the the faithful. It seems the pendulum swings to the extreme both ways at times. There is nothing like the Living Word of Jesus... NOTHING!! It speaks to each one of us with an individual heart, yet holds us together as one! Last Edited by Tree of Life on 09/02/2017 11:50 AM "All you may know of heaven or hell is within your own self." - Edgar Cayce |
Wayfaring Stranger
User ID: 74907903 Canada 09/02/2017 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even though I can see from the words of Jesus and Peter's dream where unclean foods may have been 'cleansed,' perhaps it's best to avoid them regardless, at least for now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73444464 There are some troubling prophesies given in Isaiah 65 and Isaiah 66. Isaiah 65:2 I spread out my hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, following their own devices; ... 4 who eat pig's flesh, and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels; ... 12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter, because, when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my eyes and chose what I did not delight in.” Pig's flesh in that chapter is specifically mentioned. Isaiah:65 in it's entirety is about the group of people in the Nations that die on the day He returns. Those same people are put into hell for the 1,000 years and the 'servants' are the whole group that is alive for the 1,000 year reign. The sword in the two verses below is the same one. Re:19:21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Isa:65:12-15: Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: M't:25:31: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: M't:25:32: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: M't:25:41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Jerusalem in Isaiah:65 is New Jerusalem and after it lands on the New Earth the people that leave to make their homes outside of the city are all the ones that were resurrected back to life at the Great White Throne event. The ones alive live inside the city. The dating in Isaiah:65 is how a person will develop in the new earth after they have the breath of life in them. They will carry the title of 'infant' for the years 0-20 and then that title is replaced by 'child' (of God) and that is an married couple who have 100 children in those years. At the age of 120 they appear at the Great White Throne and are judged to not be a sinner and they are given immortality and the title of 'old man'. A sinner of 100 years (20-120) would be sent to the fiery lake but all are found to not be sinners. The 120 comes from Ge:6 and Moses was the first one to come under that law and that is why he did not live past 120 years. Christians cannot eat any meat that has been part of a religious ceremony. Blood sacrifice changed the day of the cross. Re:2:20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Isa:66:3: He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 1Co:8:7: Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1Co:8:8: But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 09/02/2017 05:27 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 75409848 United States 09/04/2017 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have seen your thread, and have refrained from commenting... but regarding the word 'gospel', I must clarify. Quoting: Tree of Life The Gospel is composed of the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The Gospel contains the living words of Jesus Christ. And regarding the testimony found in the letters of Paul... ALL TESTIMONY OF TRUE CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED! He lived an inspired life, and found much truth which he shared with his brethren, but don't all true Christians who live a Godly life? I know I receive the blessings from The Lord God everyday, and also trials in which He proves His love for me. Paul recording his ministry and his teachings is inspiring, indeed, but they are not the Living Word. I have known others whose conversion to the Lord was traumatic, like Paul's was... after being a killer of the the faithful. It seems the pendulum swings to the extreme both ways at times. There is nothing like the Living Word of Jesus... NOTHING!! It speaks to each one of us with an individual heart, yet holds us together as one! Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus' ministry was for Israel. Heed Paul's words as we are in a new dispensation. live and die for Christ |